I'm not so sure I'd feel differently if it was a player at a different program. Hard to say though.
Should Mo be kicked off the team?
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I'm not so sure I'd feel differently if it was a player at a different program. Hard to say though.
Even then, though...this context is really, really bad.
It seems, and this is just what I am seeing here, that people are treating this like a normal bf/gf nude pic sent, etc and they were just teens and he accidently kept it or whatever. Thats not the case at all.
This was a big deal at the school when it happened. Authorities knew it had been shared and theres no way the students werent warned about it, the child porn thing, the kids getting in trouble, etc.... its not like Mo didnt know this was wrong to keep on his phone.
And then two years later at the age of 18 he sends it to her, maliciously? After the struggles getting into college and everything??
Youre right, context does matter. It seems the context isnt really being explored at all.
Until proven guilty, yes. That’s how it works in this country.
If he’s guilty, it will come out in court
Since my last post on this topic I drove home from work, helped the wife fix supper, took the dog for a walk, played a game of COD Zombies, threw pitches to my 11 yo in the cage for 30 minutes, read a chapter of a book (not sold on it yet), watched the first half of Celtics/Sixers, ate some girl scout cookies, asked my freshman if he finished his homework, and now we're watching "Wonder Woman". Cripes people, ya think you've parsed this down far enough?
Even if you arent personally sure, which I will believe and take at your word, I think its safe to say the majority of the fan base would be laughing at the hypothetical school.
And we’d all be basing it off the click bate titles as many on here appear to do when they debate. With no emotional attachment to the player nobody would dig deeper or bother reading the entire article. Yes, we’d be idiots for coming to conclusion without all the facts.
I guess that means his take is garbage and he is trash as well, or he just got lit up.
Nice one!
No one is claiming to boot him right now.
This discussion is about what should happen if the "alleged" is true. Always has been.
So you have no opinion on whether or not he did it? So I expect you to not be included in any further discussion about this topic.
If a headline read, Iowa player charged with distribution of child porn. I would be thinking, not surprising. Kick the sicko off the team. Which is what I think many are doing in this case. Then if I were to dig deeper, and see the situation involved I would hope my opinion would be the same as now. As I have said before, I don't think this is worth destroying a kids football career and life over. Doesn't matter if it is a Neb player or any player in my opinion.
Just building up my resume for my future political ambitions.
Pot meet kettle?
If its idiodic to say that if all this turns out to be true he should be booted, then it must also be idiodic to be saying this is nothing warranting dismissal, no?
Since it isnt all out yet?
I and others have said numerous times, in different ways, that he is innocent until proven guilty. New stuff could come to light.
It actually applies well. He's pointing out that context matters in any situation.
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You know, I've had the exact same kind of mixed of emotions when stories from OU and other places have surfaced. As a person who wasn't exactly a model citizen in my youth, I have some empathy for young people who screw things up...as long as it isn't a repetitive thing. You get to be in your 20s and making some coin out in the real world and you act like an idiot, well then my empathy gets considerably less. Mo Washington will come out of this a little soiled but he'll still have football somewhere even if it's not at NU. Personally, I would bet given his relationship with TO and his intimate knowledge of the LP situation that Frost gives the kid another chance. We'll see. He'll take some heat if he does.
There will always be 2 sides to every issue or controversy. Both sides desperate to prove they are right and the other side wrong. Glade Im on the right side this time.
Na, one thing I have a strong opinion on is d-bags that like to pass judgement on things the don’t have all the facts on
It’s suppose to illustrate that context is important and that obviously not all speeding is the same. As is the case when it comes to other crimes. You can’t be that dense.
Not me, but that was an incredibly different situation. However, if after the case they were guilty theyshould have been punished.
That was a rash decision, something Ive posted here that I hope the university doesnt make.
It could very well come out that he never did this, but its obvious they looked at her phone and records, so the text will show up.
IF the NFL can keep players around who beat up on women. I would think something like this should keep MO at Neb after a suspension probably.
You dont have all the facts, yet you are passing judgement. Just because your judgement is different, its still amjudgement without all the facts.
So are you a d-bag?
Would you please respond to my context reply to you? I dont think you have but I could have missed it. Genuinely curious what you think of how I see the context here.
All of the events in question took place before Mo enrolled at NU. It’s unclear to me what the Frost and Co knew about the incident before Mo arrived. Not sure what there is to punish. He was not with the program when this happened. Should Mo need to serve a period of the incarceration in CA, then his days as a Husker are almost sure to be over. But if it’s less than that (I assume he has no history of being afoul of the law), he gets a suspension.
Frost needs to do this kid a favor and tie his remaining with the team to some high end behavioral counseling. If the public reports are true, his actions were vindictive and also self-sabotaging. Scott talks a good game when it comes to player support. Will that be followed by meaningful help when it comes to Mo.
Frost needs to do this kid a favor and tie his remaining with the team to some high end behavioral counseling. If the public reports are true, his actions were vindictive and also self-sabotaging. Scott talks a good game when it comes to player support. Will that be followed by meaningful help when it comes to Mo.
If I read Iowa player charged wit distribution of child porn, I would also be thinking, not surprising, kick the sicko off the team. But since I really don't care about Iowa football, I probably wouldn't dig much further at all. So my opinion would have remained, kick the sicko off the team. Which, in my opinion, is exactly what @jmliehr is saying when he brought up the polling be different depending on who was participating in the poll.
This pot isn’t calling the kettle back. My opinion is about proper punishment if he is guilty. I’m assuming he is guilty. My opinion is if he kept and sent a video maliciously directly to an ex that a rational punishment is probation and a short suspension. I don’t think what he did warrants more than that especially given the precedents that have already been set with the others involved
But if you hit someone while speeding to the hospital and kill them, or your wife what happens? Intent matters along with context, did Washington know she claimed sexual assault before he sent the video? Did he know the video and fallout caused her to have issues before he sent the video? Did he, as she claims, try to shame/hurt her with the video before her parent saw the message?
If all\any of those are true would that change the way you feel about the consequences?
Student conduct would apply to something that happened before he was even accepted at NU?
I would think, if there was a punishment, trial, or conviction, while he was a student, then student conduct would apply. just my opinion,
Context matters and two committed crimes as juveniles compared to Washington as an adult. And punishment doesn’t always fit the crime, may have been circumstantial evidence in that case compared to clear documented records of what Washington allegedly did.
I find his actions deplorable - having the video, sharing the video, and the comments made while sharing the video with the young woman involved. As a father of daughters, I'm on the side of this is completely unacceptable, and "we are going to miss you, starting tomorrow."
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