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[timnsun]

Erickson failed to win any Grey Cups. Although he did win two national championships, sadly he never reached the grand height of being a Grey Cup victor.

I am hoping you will get to my post next, the one where Erickson's record minus a Jimmy Johnson talent laden team is only at 57%...

I am guessing if you put Riley in Miami at the same time, it is Riley with the 65% winning record, not Erickson. Or do you think he is still a career 54% winner, and he could do no better even if he were at Miami those same years Erickson was?

Please be consistent here... Don't move the goal posts to fit your narrative.

 

[Toms Wife]

I am hoping you will get to my post next, the one where Erickson's record minus a Jimmy Johnson talent laden team is only at 57%...

I am guessing if you put Riley in Miami at the same time, it is Riley with the 65% winning record, not Erickson. Or do you think he is still a career 54% winner, and he could do no better even if he were at Miami those same years Erickson was?

Please be consistent here... Don't move the goal posts to fit your narrative.

No goal posts moving. Erickson did some fairly impressive things during his coaching career and won championships...a share of a Pac 10 championship and two national championships. He also finished in the top 5 five different times (and 6th once).

If Riley goes to Miami I am not sure he could go 63-9 and win two national championships.

P.S. It doesn't mean Riley is a bad coach. It's not all that fair comparing him to some of the greats. Who knows...maybe he wins two national championships with us.

 

[Huskerpro]

For me, I want to notice that our coaches have taken marketable talent and made them better which allows our current shallow pool of playmakers an opportunity to shine.

 

[Hoosker Du]

When it comes to coaching comparisons, it's pretty obvious who has had the upper hand.

Dennis Erickson

College 179-96-1; 65%
NFL 40-56; .417

Riley

College 108-91; 54%
NFL 14-34; .292
(2 Grey Cups)

You're trying far too hard at this. Just stop already. Dennis Erickson could have been any living creature with a pulse rate of more than 12 and could have coached Miami talent to 10+ wins a season. If that's all you got, do us all a solid and just stop posting.

 

[Toms Wife]

You're trying far too hard at this. Just stop already. Dennis Erickson could have been any living creature with a pulse rate of more than 12 and could have coached Miami talent to 10+ wins a season. If that's all you got, do us all a solid and just stop posting.

A missed 45 yard field goal in the closing seconds away from a national championship game at Oregon State?

 

[nebcountry]

I'll try one more time... Klatt did not say NFL caliber QB. Lots of college QBs control the pocket but don't sniff the NFL.

I am probably being overly sensitive, but it feels like you are setting the stage for "Pro Style offense doesn't work here" if Tanner Lee doesn't win 9 or more games this year. Now, as you rightly point out, there are many variables that will come into play.

The positives you throw in come at the very end, after pointing out that as long as Riley is our coach we can expect a roller coaster ride. And even then, the positives are we will win a minimum of 6 or 7 games with the ceiling being higher, and you like the Diaco hire. that's in 2 lines... the rest of the post was less than glowing. Or did I misinterpret that too?

Edit: probably my bigger frustration is that the OP is attempting to project optimism, and quite a few have dismissed that optimism, including yourself.

I know, it's a message board, and open for debate. This is the way it should be. I get that. I still get frustrated by it though, and that's on me.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what Klatt meant, unless Klatt comes back with something more definitive than "guy who can control the game from the pocket, he’s tough to beat."

I really don't care what type of offense we choose to run. I have been fairly vocal that we need a minimum of 7 wins this year to keep me relatively quiet.

What was OrSU's record during Mannion's first two years? The first season was 3 wins, the second 9 wins. Pretty dramatic roller coaster swing? Mannion is not the only variable obviously.

It all may be a matter of opinion anyway. If we were to look at an actual pro team's offense and see a QB reading defenses, going through 4 or more progressions, and then dishing the ball off to either a receiver or some backup outlet while avoiding sacks. Only the most optimistic could believe this model will work at the collegiate level throwing the ball 35 or 40 times per game, year in and year out, especially with new players to the system. The 3 or 4 win year is gonna come, it's just a matter of time.

A losing season would be tolerated at OrSU, I highly doubt that the powers that be at NU will tolerate one or two miserable seasons as new QBs are getting their feet wet. Feel free to go back and look at Riley's previous QBs. You'll find guys that throw as many INT's as TD's early on. You don't need a crystal ball to see this coming.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what Klatt meant, unless Klatt comes back with something more definitive than "guy who can control the game from the pocket, he’s tough to beat."

I really don't care what type of offense we choose to run. I have been fairly vocal that we need a minimum of 7 wins this year to keep me relatively quiet.

What was OrSU's record during Mannion's first two years? The first season was 3 wins, the second 9 wins. Pretty dramatic roller coaster swing? Mannion is not the only variable obviously.

It all may be a matter of opinion anyway. If we were to look at an actual pro team's offense and see a QB reading defenses, going through 4 or more progressions, and then dishing the ball off to either a receiver or some backup outlet while avoiding sacks. Only the most optimistic could believe this model will work at the collegiate level throwing the ball 35 or 40 times per game, year in and year out, especially with new players to the system. The 3 or 4 win year is gonna come, it's just a matter of time.

A losing season would be tolerated at OrSU, I highly doubt that the powers that be at NU will tolerate one or two miserable seasons as new QBs are getting their feet wet. Feel free to go back and look at Riley's previous QBs. You'll find guys that throw as many INT's as TD's early on. You don't need a crystal ball to see this coming.

To some, if you have roller coaster seasons at Oregon St you are one of the greatest ever. Ha ha ha ha

 

[timnsun]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what Klatt meant, unless Klatt comes back with something more definitive than "guy who can control the game from the pocket, he’s tough to beat."

I really don't care what type of offense we choose to run. I have been fairly vocal that we need a minimum of 7 wins this year to keep me relatively quiet.

What was OrSU's record during Mannion's first two years? The first season was 3 wins, the second 9 wins. Pretty dramatic roller coaster swing? Mannion is not the only variable obviously.

It all may be a matter of opinion anyway. If we were to look at an actual pro team's offense and see a QB reading defenses, going through 4 or more progressions, and then dishing the ball off to either a receiver or some backup outlet while avoiding sacks. Only the most optimistic could believe this model will work at the collegiate level throwing the ball 35 or 40 times per game, year in and year out, especially with new players to the system. The 3 or 4 win year is gonna come, it's just a matter of time.

A losing season would be tolerated at OrSU, I highly doubt that the powers that be at NU will tolerate one or two miserable seasons as new QBs are getting their feet wet. Feel free to go back and look at Riley's previous QBs. You'll find guys that throw as many INT's as TD's early on. You don't need a crystal ball to see this coming.

Here's what will slow down the roller coaster ride you are projecting... if we have starters who have been in the system 3 years already, we should be better.

If Lee stays for 2 years, POB will be a RS Jr when he starts. Or if it's Gebbia, he will be a RS Soph if he beats out POB.

Of course, that's assuming they all stay at Nebraska. But if we have to break in a freshman QB starter every 4 years, we will be looking at a roller coaster more often, potentially.

 

[dockentwo]

While I do remember some consternation in fall camp about his progress, he played well in the nonconference part of the schedule... after the nonconference games, I remember one of the B1G experts calling him conference offensive player of the year so far... obviously it didn't last, but he did seem to start the season better by far than the previous season.

Someone who is playing worse than the 16 interception season (or whatever it was) wouldn't be mentioned as offensive player of the year. And even though his stats were ugly, he did reduce pretty significantly the number of ints he threw. He wasn't an all American, not even all conference honorable mention... but I don't think he was worse his senior year.

My biggest frustration was that we didn't see him progress much from junior to senior year... that is disappointing. Could have been coaching, but I think it was more likely that he just isn't a pro style QB.

Wasn't the coaching. Refusing the coaching when he felt like it, imo, more likely the problem. BMOC attitude could have been an issue from afar.

 

[Suvey101885]

The key is defense. Since 2000 many different styles of offense have won the national title, but with only a few exceptions all of the national champs had top 10-15 defenses. So run the ball, pass the ball or mix it up, slow down the other team and you have a chance, shut the other team out and you can run Wing T and win.

Except 2009 Nebraska unfortunately.

 

[Suvey101885]

I'll throw in my two cents on the whole Tommy leaving being an upgrade. I remember getting frustrated numerous times because TA would extend and drive on third down with his legs. Now you don't have that. Will a higher throwing percentage and a few less turnovers compensate for that?

Only if the line decides to block.