pot meet kettlehe's a f'self-absorbed talking head wannabee.
pot meet kettlehe's a f'self-absorbed talking head wannabee.
According to ESPN, the 10 fully vested members will split 398 million while the 4 new kids will get around 18 million each.just to send a dart through all the revenue targets spinning in this thread, below are the latest revenue numbers according to your media partner, fox.
the idea of bringing clemson and fsu is to enhance the b12 number which is already above, not below, acc distributions and actually not that far from the sec/b10. another facet to consider is separating the league's (elite) basketball media deal from football, thus maximizing both platforms.
Twelve of the 14 Big Ten schools each received about $60.5 million from the conference, with 2014 additions Maryland and Rutgers getting about $58.8 million apiece.
The SEC distributed $51 million to each school. Each ACC school received between $43.3 million and $46.9 million; Notre Dame, an independent in football, received $22.1 million.
Big 12 schools received distributions ranging from $43.8 million to $48.2 million. The Pac-12 distributed about $33.6 million to each of its members, down from $36 million the previous year.
Big Ten, SEC are top conferences in revenue with athlete pay plan on horizon | FOX Sports
The Big Ten held a narrow edge over the SEC in revenue for the second straight year, according to newly released tax filings.www.foxsports.com
As long as we reside in the B1G, we’re there. it may not show on the field yet, but hopefully that changes soon.Yeah well, we’re not there now and haven’t been since we left. Sooooo…
I'm assuming the top number is Texas. What did KSU actually get? You're telling me they got the exact same as Texas?those are the latest numbers available. each year i keep reading about this great disparity between leagues. it is just not true. $10 million is less than 10% of most p4 school athletic budgets. even k-state is now ~$100 million annually. the point of this thread is that venture capital will be used to cut that difference between the b12 and sec/b10 through acquisition of power schools like clemson and fsu. it's actually all teed up for yormark. whether he swings or not is to be determined.
Yeah, we'll see about #4. I wouldn't be surprised if they want an annual cut.1. the $12.3 million difference in fox numbers between the b10 and b12 is 20.3%
2. if the b10/sec want acc schools they'll take them or lose them
3. i don't know what the term "bend over" means as to the acc and b12
4. the $1B is being invested (maybe) based on growth, that's the whole point - grow the enterprise and sell for a profit
i just gave you the actual numbers from your media partner.According to ESPN, the 10 fully vested members will split 398 million while the 4 new kids will get around 18 million each.
That's why ut and ou waved bye bye
they are attractive only if the go to the b10 but not the b12. umm?Yeah, we'll see about #4. I wouldn't be surprised if they want an annual cut.
Bend over refers to what it cost the Big 12 to entice ACC members. Does it cost $1 billion for FSU and Clemson alone? $500 million for those 2 and the rest is split?
I think you are over inflating the clemson and FSU brand. They are attractive to the Big 10 because they are in new, warm weather, growing, markets. I don't think they move the national viewership needle that much in the grand scheme of things.
$44,759,411.00 was reported on k-state annual audited financial statement as b12 distribution.I'm assuming the top number is Texas. What did KSU actually get? You're telling me they got the exact same as Texas?
The Big 12 already has the Orlando market. They won't get the Jacksonville or Miami markets with FSU, for obvious reasons. The Tallahassee market is small. Clemson is a tiny market that does nothing for increased viewership or marketing dollars. The SEC is already in that market, so it does little to the SEC brand, other than a natural rival for Georgia and USCe.they are attractive only if the go to the b10 but not the b12. umm?
once more, rather than using actuals, you default to someone's forecast about the future which is clearly a moving target today. be that as it may, we'll see if this investment house buy happens or not.As someone else pointed out, with the additions to both leagues (Big Ten and Big 12) looking backward is pointless. That $44 million that KSU received included the revenue from having OU and Texas in the league, there is only one more year left on that deal. The new deal with ESPN and Fox starts in 2025
According to Business of College Sports Big 12 schools will receive about half as much ($31.7 million) in average yearly payouts as Big Ten ($71.875) and SEC ($68.75) will in their new deals.
Because your actuals are meaningless going forward. All three leagues have new deals.once more, rather than using actuals, you default to someone's forecast about the future which is clearly a moving target today. be that as it may, we'll see if this investment house buy happens or not.
Speaking of money, can we start a GoFundMe to get Averitas his own board to hang with other Purple Kitties?Because your actuals are meaningless going forward. All three leagues have new deals.
Your point is like saying you will make $100k in 2025 at your new job that only pays $90k because you made $100k in 2024 at the old job.
yes. and arizona, asu, utah and byu will never join the b12 because the p12 will gobble up ku, oSu, and whoever first. those future looks are always entertaining v. what actually happens. the ole hockey stick forecasts, gotta love 'em.Because your actuals are meaningless going forward. All three leagues have new deals.
Your point is like saying you will make $100k in 2025 at your new job that only pays $90k because you made $100k in 2024 at the old job.
So $60.5 million for Big 10. $44.7 million for KSU. 26% less for KSU.$44,759,411.00 was reported on k-state annual audited financial statement as b12 distribution.
Don't you already have a team in Florida and multiple teams in Texas and Arizona? Would adding warm weather markets be that big of deal? Is it that hard to understand? The SE is attractive from a diversity standpoint for the Big 10.they are attractive only if the go to the b10 but not the b12. umm?
That's big12 distributions or media revenue? Because that number won't be the same$44,759,411.00 was reported on k-state annual audited financial statement as b12 distribution.
yes. and arizona, asu, utah and byu will never join the b12 because the p12 will gobble up ku, oSu, and whoever first. those future looks are always entertaining v. what actually happens. the ole hockey stick forecasts, gotta love 'em.
The exact reason the guy doesn't want to. The Big 12 will have some good games this fall but even they see the writing on the wall. Hence the reason for exploring every avenue to increase revenue.The big 10 will be distributing north if $80M per school in the coming years. They will also get $21M per school that makes the CFP each year along with the SEC where the B12 only gets $12M per team and likely less teams. It’s not even a reasonable discussion going forward imo comparing projected money in these conferences
So $60.5 million for Big 10. $44.7 million for KSU. 26% less for KSU.
umm, we've had a long discussion about why a venture capital company would want to invest $1B in the b12, yes.You started a post based on future projections that the Big 12 will sign these deals and add teams and now you only want to use past information? Ok.
Speculation concerning what teams will go where is a whole lot different than looking at at media contract and dividing a number by the number of teams in the league. One is unknown, the other is tried and true fvckin math.yes. and arizona, asu, utah and byu will never join the b12 because the p12 will gobble up ku, oSu, and whoever first. those future looks are always entertaining v. what actually happens. the ole hockey stick forecasts, gotta love 'em.
Maybe there is a private equity firm looking to invest in a message board for them.Speaking of money, can we start a GoFundMe to get Averitas his own board to hang with other Purple Kitties?
Top tier conferences. B1G and SEC have more clout and if there did become a 40-50 team league as Top Tier. B1G and SEC teams would basically be auto added vs the BIG12.Yeah well, we’re not there now and haven’t been since we left. Sooooo…
Maybe there is a private equity firm looking to invest in a message board for them.
Agree for the most part, but I could see a 40-50 team league where a Vandy or Rutgers or Northwestern is out and Arizona and Kansas are in.Top tier conferences. B1G and SEC have more clout and if there did become a 40-50 team league as Top Tier. B1G and SEC teams would basically be auto added vs the BIG12.
Very possible but that's gonna take some big cajones to do that. Be some steamy, bloody board meetingsAgree for the most part, but I could see a 40-50 team league where a Vandy or Rutgers or Northwestern is out and Arizona and Kansas are in.
So roughly equal after paying for fired AD's and coachesSo $60.5 million for Big 10. $44.7 million for KSU. 26% less for KSU.
According to Trev Alberts, it was the TV networks that came to the BIG and said "you're going to add Washington and Oregon". The BIG wasn't interested, so the networks said "okay in that case, if you want the new TV contract money you are going to need to pick two teams and kick them out of the conference." Elimination or a relegation system is a real possibility.Very possible but that's gonna take some big cajones to do that. Be some steamy, bloody board meetings
They could and wouldn't need private equity to do itCali schools full share. Oregon and Washington half shares that increase by $1 million a year until 2030 when they become full members.
Maryland still owes the Big 10 over $100 million since they took a reduced payout and a loan. I imagine if needed the Big 10 could loan any ACC members their buyout money.
this is what happens when you forfeit majority ownership in your #1 asset, as the B1G did in 2020According to Trev Alberts, it was the TV networks that came to the BIG and said "you're going to add Washington and Oregon". The BIG wasn't interested, so the networks said "okay in that case, if you want the new TV contract money you are going to need to pick two teams and kick them out of the conference." Elimination or a relegation system is a real possibility.
All the people clamoring to go back to a group that didn't want us or like us is embarrassing.
My understanding is Fox took 51% control in June of 2010 and got another 10% during covid.this is what happens when you forfeit majority ownership in your #1 asset, as the B1G did in 2020
FOX is the captain now
this is what happens when you forfeit majority ownership in your #1 asset, as the B1G did in 2020
FOX is the captain now
this is not accurateMy understanding is Fox took 51% control in June of 2010 and got another 10% during covid.
Prime example of why you don't go so deep into debt. A bunch of these Big 10 schools weren't fiscally sound like NU and totally panicked. Stupid long-term move, especially as that extra 10% takes from a bigger pie.