If a guy wants to say that, no more, no less, there are far easier and less controversial ways to say it. This thread illustrates why it is a very bad idea to revisit this topic, especially when you weren't here to live through it.
Rehashing the Past....again
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If a guy wants to say that, no more, no less, there are far easier and less controversial ways to say it. This thread illustrates why it is a very bad idea to revisit this topic, especially when you weren't here to live through it.
Talking about Scott Frost, not you. He has made all the right moves, except on this topic. He would be well served to just stay away from the topic altogether.
The timing of both Frank and Bo's firings were wrong IMO.
Frank deserved another year after revamping his staff in 2003.
Bo should have been fired after the Iowa game in 2013.
Frank deserved another year after revamping his staff in 2003.
Bo should have been fired after the Iowa game in 2013.
Off the field staff issues PRIOR to Bo and Carl? I'm not doubting you... just wondering if you can elaborate.
He's too smart to take the bait. He can, and I think will, do better. Just stay away from pointless negativity, especially when he did not live through it.
Nice try. I am not taking the bait either. Just plain pointless discussion. Moving on.
There is no “try”. Things haven’t been done right here, or have you been in a coma since 1999?
Not at all. You’re claiming Frost is being too negative. He isn’t. He is stating established fact. No one is drawing him offside and he certainly isn’t jumping on his own.
You are pretty quick to tell me what I am talking about. Actually, what I am talking about is his tendency to say that Nebraska fans are wiser now, that they previously fell into the "grass is always greener" mindset. Those statements are not about facts. They are opinions. You and I can disagree as to whether it is productive to discuss them. But they are opinions not facts.
I still wonder what NU would have been, if Dollar Bill had gotten his way and hired Mack Brown... curiosity is all. I did love the Frankie years for what they were though.
No...that is a pretty established fact as well. Nebraska fans tried to run both Devaney and Osborne out before they won championships because of various reasons. They succeeded in running Solich out. Callahan ran himself out. Nebraska fans succeeded in running Bo out with a huge assist from Bo himself. Riley ran himself out. Nebraska fan has ALWAYS thought that their coach wasn’t good enough if he goes a few years without winning one. There is absolutely no room for debate on this.
Wrong. It was a select few people that ran him out. This fanbase was fractured from that day forward... likely until Scott came aboard.
Btw. Bo dug his own grave. Again, a similar select few people did the work behind the scenes.
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Well, Bo having to work with the terminal brain-dead SE didn't help much.
It amazes me how many posters hate Bo for only winning 9 or 10 games for each of his seven years here but dream up 10,000 daily excuses for their beloved Clownahan & Smiling Mike. Heh....it's really something.
Not sure whom you are stating any of that to?
Oh, nobody at this moment.....just for years & years reading endless forum posts. Maybe it wasn't appropriate to mention that now. If so I sincerely apologize.
People weren’t anti-Bo fans because of his 9-10 win seasons... it was his demeanor, his disdain for the fans, his lack of care for tradition, 408 and other blowouts... it amazes me that certain posters think others wanted Bo gone for any other reason than this. It’s really something.
And Callahan and Riley were supported until they showed they couldn’t hack it here. Some didn’t see it as soon as others, but eventually, the vast majority came to that conclusion as well.
You’re right on one thing. He was fired for being a dick who didn’t care much for the people around him and couldn’t pretend.
You’re wrong in that plenty of people made it about Bo’s record so that they didn’t look 10-ply soft. That’s where the “a monkey could win 10 games here” crap came from.
Bo could have kept on being a huge dick if he would have stopped trying to run the same defense he did with suh and been able to somewhat stop wisconsin.
Well, there you go. Nothing in there that wasn't anything but facts. You can keep going. But I am done.
Wrong. No one made it about his record. It was about his blowout losses, his disdain for fans, he loathed recruiting, he was a jerk, taunted the administration, etc.
He won 9 or 10 games here every year. No one complained about that. It was the 4 losses per year that became too much to handle.
Where many fans were wrong, you rightly point out. Fans assumed the 9 win seasons would magically continue. They didn’t. However, I don’t ever remember a single poster saying he was fired because he didn’t get to 11 games.
Bo wasn’t hated by fans because he won 9-10 games a year. Not sure where you are coming up with this.
I’m not saying he was. Try to pay attention.
People tried to claim it was about his record, that is where the “a monkey could win 9 games here” crap came from.
Go ahead and point out anything in there that isn’t a fact. It’s all verifiable. Go ahead though.
Try to pay attention yourself. No one claimed it was about his record. I totally disagree with you. People thought the 9 wins would continue after he was fired, for sure, and that was wrong. But people who wanted Bo gone weren’t saying he wasn’t winning enough. It was that he was losing specific games, and losing them horribly. It was that he was a jerk. It was that he loathed recruiting and loathed the fans. He was repeatedly blown out by Wisconsin. 408 yards in 3 quarters? 71 points given up to a 7-5 team? Miracle Ameer TD against McNeese State... I’m not sure why you are struggling with this. People were not saying he wasn’t winning enough. They were complaining about his losses, and everything else I have referenced in 3 straight posts.
I know where the monkey and 9 wins came from. I was here and I saw those posts. It was a mantra used not in support of firing Bo; it was a mantra used in support of Riley, refuting those who were saying Riley would suck here. Those who were saying monkey and 9 wins were wrong about that. Obviously. Riley did suck here.
Posters here didn't hate Bo for his record. It was because he was a complete jerk and psycho.
The only way Bo could continue to act the way that he did is if he had won something of significance.
If Bo was less of a jerk & he had the exact same results (9-10 wins per season) he'd most likely still be coach here.
I took my dog for a walk this afternoon and he took a shit under a pine tree..... I couldn’t get to it; arthritis and what not.
Well, you may very well be correct sir.
However, I do recall clearly endless posters (right here) stating his 9 or 10 wins were a joke that could be accomplished by "anybody". Also, Frank got us to a NC game and also won a conference championship. Fired him.
Bo was just an eyelash away from winning a conference championship and always won 9 or 10 games for seven consecutive years. Fired him.
To fire Frank & Bo for Clownahan & Smiley Mike is truly a horror movie. Add in Pedeyshine & SE and it's the wildest science fiction book ever written.
Haha.....but anyways, we were about one nano-inch away from becoming a Minnesota clone. Davison, TO & Moos saved our bacon big-time. We're as lucky as lucky gets.
Let's just agree to disagree as it's no biggie. Fair enough?
We're all going to have big fun this fall partner!!
GBR!!
So people said 9-10 wins wasn’t enough and he should have been fired?
You’re right, I didn’t read this. We agree on that much at least.
Why does everyone have to write off the last 20 years as a complete failure? Yeah most of that time hasn't been up to the standards of what Nebraska had been or even should be, but there's still plenty to be proud about. We've continued the sellout streak, had some great players come through here and do some things in the NFL, and even had several decent seasons during that stretch that could have been special if a couple things went our way. I don't know why there's a movement by some fans right now to dismiss the last 20 years like they never even happened, but I don't think it helps anything.
I didn't hate Bo at all. As far as being a jerk and a psycho, most coaches are. It's kind of the nature of the job. He's a good person though and there's many examples that showed that. That being said, I'd much rather have Frost coaching here than Bo. We've got the right guy now.
Agreed. I try to have only the desire to see a competitive team and no blow outs and a bowl game. That sounds low, but after last season, it will be a big relief for me for this first season to look like a decent college football team instead of a group of guys only dressed like one with no real coaching direction. And, no, I am NOT making this an anti-riley thread. I just want to see a real football team.
I don't know that many people are doing that, but if they are, maybe because so many records were flushed down the toilet and ended and several traditions were just dismissed off hand IMO and others'.
