Pat Fitzgerald fired

[Redmich]

The big 12 has lost members who have left for P5 conferences and had to replace them with mid majors

There isn’t a single B12 member who if offered membership to the BIG or SEC wouldn’t leave in a second - many have requested acceptance and been turned down

The big12 exists because the BIG and SEC at present don’t want any of their universities

 

[RBigredMax]

The fallacy is thinking something was going to happen that didn’t happen. We lost the game of chicken. Plain and simple. Had the Big 12 actually dissolved, then I’d buy that argument and say it was a good decision because we didn’t have any other choice. But we did. And we lost.

Would you want to be in the Big12 post TX/OU departure. The Big12 will remain but will be a shell of itself.

I thought the schedule was definitely a screw job the first 3-5 years of our B1G tenure - which I didn’t like. But at the time fan sentiment was looking forward to playing Mich/O State etc. Which we beat early on in our tenure. The challenge is that we had B1G money and hired PAC middling coach. Then when that was a trainwreck we hired the golden boy. We were a big time coach away from competing and building something. Our sucktitude has everything do with our hiring decisions - not necessarily our competition in my opinion. I was fired up about Frost as were nearly everyone but here we are. The Big12 would have handed our lunch to us the last few years too in my opinion.

 

[Landomatic]

Not necessarily.. Mizzou went to the SEC because they thought the B1G was taking them and all of a sudden with the help of Barry Alvarez discussing with Jim Delany TO about joining they asked Nebraska instead and Mizzou seen what was going on with texas wanting to fly the coup and OU was joined at the hip with them..
Evidence of that 13 years later the both get invited after the B1G grabbed USC and UCLA..

Moralvictories made a good point about the SEC preferred boarder states..

That's all true, I'm just saying it became a moot point when Mizzu joined.

Look, I'm not even arguing that we should have gone to the SEC, although it would be great. I'm just saying leaving for the B1G when we did was a bad decision. Staying in the Big 12 and/or waiting for something better than the B1G would have been better. That's all I'm saying.

I mean, since all of this is based on hypotheticals, who's to say we couldn't have gone to the SEC with Texas and OU? Or with Mizzouri and aTm? Or instead of one of them?

Hard to say how it might have all played out. But pretty easy to say how it did play out for Nebraska has sucked.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

That's all true, I'm just saying it became a moot point when Mizzu joined.

Look, I'm not even arguing that we should have gone to the SEC, although it would be great. I'm just saying leaving for the B1G when we did was a bad decision. Staying in the Big 12 and/or waiting for something better than the B1G would have been better. That's all I'm saying.

I mean, since all of this is based on hypotheticals, who's to say we couldn't have gone to the SEC with Texas and OU? Or with Mizzouri and aTm? Or instead of one of them?

Hard to say how it might have all played out. But pretty easy to say how it did play out for Nebraska has sucked.

It’s not moot. You’re saying we should have turned down B1G invite to hope that Missouri gets a sec invite .. then in turn we hope to get an invite. So turn down bird in hand for 1.5 in the bush?

 

[scarletred]

That's all true, I'm just saying it became a moot point when Mizzu joined.

Look, I'm not even arguing that we should have gone to the SEC, although it would be great. I'm just saying leaving for the B1G when we did was a bad decision. Staying in the Big 12 and/or waiting for something better than the B1G would have been better. That's all I'm saying.

I mean, since all of this is based on hypotheticals, who's to say we couldn't have gone to the SEC with Texas and OU? Or with Mizzouri and aTm? Or instead of one of them?

Hard to say how it might have all played out. But pretty easy to say how it did play out for Nebraska has sucked.

And it goes back to what I posted yesterday… All of our misfortunes have been all self inflicted that is why we have sucked since Eichorst fired Pelini..

 

[Redmich]

That's all true, I'm just saying it became a moot point when Mizzu joined.

Look, I'm not even arguing that we should have gone to the SEC, although it would be great. I'm just saying leaving for the B1G when we did was a bad decision. Staying in the Big 12 and/or waiting for something better than the B1G would have been better. That's all I'm saying.

I mean, since all of this is based on hypotheticals, who's to say we couldn't have gone to the SEC with Texas and OU? Or with Mizzouri and aTm? Or instead of one of them?

Hard to say how it might have all played out. But pretty easy to say how it did play out for Nebraska has sucked.

Association does not equal causation

It’s like saying Nebraska has never won a national title when a republican was president so if you want us to ever win a national title again you should vote for a democrat

 

[Landomatic]

You and I do not have any control over what conference NU is in. So why constantly complain about it? Every day

I don't want to fight @king_kong_ 's fight for him, but I've always thought this was a pretty lame argument. This is a football message board. It's where fans come to discuss (often in the form of complaining) topics about our football program, most of which is out of our control.

 

[Huskers123456]

That's all true, I'm just saying it became a moot point when Mizzu joined.

Look, I'm not even arguing that we should have gone to the SEC, although it would be great. I'm just saying leaving for the B1G when we did was a bad decision. Staying in the Big 12 and/or waiting for something better than the B1G would have been better. That's all I'm saying.

I mean, since all of this is based on hypotheticals, who's to say we couldn't have gone to the SEC with Texas and OU? Or with Mizzouri and aTm? Or instead of one of them?

Hard to say how it might have all played out. But pretty easy to say how it did play out for Nebraska has sucked.

I don't understand that line of thinking. The SEC would have been the only other option and they clearly didn't want us. A lot revisionist history going on in this thread. Every school that could minus OU/UT left. The others would have left too, but an offer never came.

The Big 10 has nothing to do with us hiring bad coaches. Just like it's funny to hear people say that NU declined because we lost our Texas recruiting pipeline when moving to the Big 10. Texas was never that important and look how quickly Rhule has been able to recruit Texas, while a member of the Big 10. People latch onto an idea and never let it go.

 

[Landomatic]

It’s not moot. You’re saying we should have turned down B1G invite to hope that Missouri gets a sec invite .. then in turn we hope to get an invite. So turn down bird in hand for 1.5 in the bush?

No, I'm saying we didn't need to take any invite. It has been proven. The bird in the hand was the Big 12.

 

[Huskers123456]

I don't want to fight @king_kong_ 's fight for him, but I've always thought this was a pretty lame argument. This is a football message board. It's where fans come to discuss (often in the form of complaining) topics about our football program, most of which is out of our control.

You might call that discussing. I would call it an unhealthy obsession. Multiple times a day. Every day. Dude is nuts.

Somehow thinking fans fighting matters in any way to anyone but him? Crazy.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

No, I'm saying we didn't need to take any invite. It has been proven. The bird in the hand was the Big 12.

Ummm.. we most certainly did need to take an invite. You can make the risky argument that we could have turned down the B1G in hopes for a future SEC invite, but the Big 12 is falling apart.. I’ll admit it took longer than I thought though..

 

[king_kong_]

You might call that discussing. I would call it an unhealthy obsession. Multiple times a day. Every day. Dude is nuts.

Somehow thinking fans fighting matters in any way to anyone but him? Crazy.

Remember when you said our Nebraska values are most closely aligned with Godless serial sexual abusing losers as opposed to church-going winners?

I do.

 

[Huskers123456]

No, I'm saying we didn't need to take any invite. It has been proven. The bird in the hand was the Big 12.

Everyone was leaving or was trying to leave. Saying we should have stayed with KSU and ISU is crazy talk. OU and UT were on the verge of leaving. Revisionist history to try and say otherwise. Look at who was in the Big 12. Then subtract NU, OU, UT, CU, Mizzou, and A&M. Not exactly an attractive conference.

 

[Landomatic]

Association does not equal causation

It’s like saying Nebraska has never won a national title when a republican was president so if you want us to ever win a national title again you should vote for a democrat

Not even remotely a comparable metaphor. I've given a lot of reasons why joining the B1G was a bad decision. I've still yet to see one person give one reason it was a good decision.

 

[Huskers123456]

Remember when you said our Nebraska values are most closely aligned with Godless serial sexual abusing losers as opposed to church-going winners?

I do.

Twisting words. You're crazy. We are Midwestern farm folk. Like Iowa. Like Indiana. We don't live in hot southern swamps and have a southern accent like a lot of the SEC. We don't cheat like the SEC. We cant even cheat like OU.

 

[Huskers123456]

Remember when you said our Nebraska values are most closely aligned with Godless serial sexual abusing losers as opposed to church-going winners?

I do.

Remember when you said we should have a grass field because we have the Sandhills in our state? I do. Lol.

 

[king_kong_]

Twisting words. You're crazy. We are Midwestern farm folk. Like Iowa. Like Indiana. We don't live in hot southern swamps and have a southern accent like a lot of the SEC. We don't cheat like the SEC. We cant even cheat like OU.

Listen, I know you don’t like the fact I’m right about this horseshit conference and the fact I rub your nose in your own feces-esque takes, but it’s the off-season and with every scandal I will run nonstop victory laps until everybody gets onboard.

You and many others have a serious hard-on for me because of it, and find yourselves siding with the abusers as a result.

It’s delightful.

 

[scarletred]

Twisting words. You're crazy. We are Midwestern farm folk. Like Iowa. Like Indiana. We don't live in hot southern swamps and have a southern accent like a lot of the SEC. We don't cheat like the SEC. We cant even cheat like OU.

Another words we don’t say ”ya all”

 

[Landomatic]

I don't understand that line of thinking. The SEC would have been the only other option and they clearly didn't want us.

I never heard that. If we were turned down by the SEC, it was either not reported or I missed it.

A lot revisionist history going on in this thread. Every school that could minus OU/UT left. The others would have left too, but an offer never came.

So every other school minus the other two blue bloods? Seems like a pretty solid argument that we didn't need to leave.

 

[Redmich]

Not even remotely a comparable metaphor. I've given a lot of reasons why joining the B1G was a bad decision. I've still yet to see one person give one reason it was a good decision.

Nebraska’s has never won even a conference title or finished in the top 10 when accepting more than 30 million dollars from its conference - there are decades and decades of data to support this -

Why are we taking more than 30 million dollars from the conference if we truly want to win it’s asinine

 

[RBigredMax]

Not in the post I responded in which the poster mentioned Baylor rapes and gay hazing. Nothing about what you said was mentioned. Maybe reread ...

It has been mentioned throughout this thread. The thread turned when we started debating the virtues of the Big12. Poster was referencing the Baylor scandal in response.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Not even remotely a comparable metaphor. I've given a lot of reasons why joining the B1G was a bad decision. I've still yet to see one person give one reason it was a good decision.

Here’s another thought for you to ponder. Nebraska turns down B1G so they go with plan B and invite Missouri… now what?

Tom made the best decision at the time and didn’t have access to your alternate reality

 

[king_kong_]

Every B1G fan should be on a watch list & never allowed within 1,000ft of a school or park.

 

[Huskers123456]

Listen, I know you don’t like the fact I’m right about this horseshit conference and the fact I rub your nose in your own feces-esque takes, but it’s the off-season and with every scandal I will run nonstop victory laps until everybody gets onboard.

You and many others have a serious hard-on for me because of it, and find yourselves siding with the abusers as a result.

It’s delightful.

I side with reality. The reality is we are in the Big 10. The reality is you and I won't change that. There are all kinds of things I can't change so I don't spend time every day complaining about them. Because I'm not crazy.

 

[king_kong_]

I side with reality. The reality is we are in the Big 10. The reality is you and I won't change that. There are all kinds of things I can't change so I don't spend time every day complaining about them. Because I'm not crazy.

Post one quote of me trying to change this reality.

I’ll wait.

Crazy people invent things in their head & then project them into the world. Let’s see proof of your so-called sanity as it pertains to me and your slanderous allegations.

I mock the B1G endlessly, as every NU fan has done since time immemorial & should continue to do. You view these posts as complaints because, as a B1G lover and apologist, you disagree with them.

 

[Redmich]

People do realize that our current head coach is a great admirer of Paterno and when asked has stated that at the end of the day all that will be talked about are the wins and the great people he built

 

[king_kong_]

Here’s a dose of reality: thousands of students have been molested by B1G employees in the last x years.

But we can’t control that so talking about it plus the fact only one of our conference mates has won a football national title in 56 years is beating a dead horse and/or crazy.

The thought police have me surrounded 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Huskers123456]

Post one quote of me trying to change this reality.

I’ll wait.

Crazy people invent things in their head & then project them into the world. Let’s see proof of your so-called sanity as it pertains to me and your slanderous allegations.

I mock the B1G endlessly, as every NU fan has done since time immemorial & should continue to do. You view these posts as complaints because, as a B1G lover and apologist, you disagree with them.

I'm not posting your posts, for you. The fact that you deny your craziness makes you even crazier. Everyone knows the posts you will make before you post them.

 

[scarletred]

Here’s a dose of reality: thousands of students have been molested by B1G employees in the last x years.

But we can’t control that so talking about it plus the fact only one of our conference mates has won a football national title in 56 years is beating a dead horse and/or crazy.

The thought police have me surrounded 🤣🤣🤣🤣

thousands.🙄

 

[king_kong_]

People do realize that our current head coach is a great admirer of Paterno and when asked has stated that at the end of the day all that will be talked about are the wins and the great people he built

Yes. It sucks.

I am hopeful he harbors deep disdain due to his upbringing and uses paterno’s criminal enterprise as fuel to do good.

 

[king_kong_]

I'm not posting your posts, for you. The fact that you deny your craziness makes you even crazier. Everyone knows the posts you will make before you post them.

Kind of like I predicted your presence here in defense of the B1G on page 1?

Hilarious!

I know you won’t post my quotes. Because they don’t exist here in reality like they do in your mind, which is consumed by me.

 

[king_kong_]

thousands.🙄

Nassar alone abused more than 500

the michigan doctor worked there for decades

ohiost doctor same thing

sandusky

minnesota hockey coach

pat fitzgerald

yes, thousands.

 

[Baxter48]

Nassar alone abused more than 500

the michigan doctor worked there for decades

ohiost doctor same thing

sandusky

minnesota hockey coach

pat fitzgerald

yes, thousands.

I think it’s difficult for people to grasp what has happened in the big 10 is a everyday thing for the Elitist in this country and world as we live today

 

[nwualum]

I actually started reading this thread for an update on Pat Fitzgerald.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

This thread was interesting when it was about Pat Fitzgerald. Now? Not. We are in the B1G. We are staying in the B1G.

But as for Fitz I saw the president of Northwestern said yesterday that his initial punishment of two week suspension may have been too light. I think Fitz is going to get fired for this. This is not going to go away. And if all of this shit is true then Fitz damn well knew about it and should be fired.

 

[king_kong_]

it's all true

probably worse stuff will come out

tick tock, overrated blowhard fitz

 

[Husker Todd]

People do realize that our current head coach is a great admirer of Paterno and when asked has stated that at the end of the day all that will be talked about are the wins and the great people he built

So is it safe to assume that Tom Osborne disgusts you? Tom was a longtime friend of Joe’s, he admired and had great respect for Joe and all that he had done. Here is a quote from him after Joe’s passing.

“I am saddened to hear the news of Joe Paterno’s passing. Joe was a genuinely good person. Whenever you recruited or played against Joe you knew how he operated and that he always stood for the right things. Of course, his longevity over time and his impact on college football is remarkable. Anybody who knew Joe feels badly about the circumstances. I suspect the emotional turmoil of the last few weeks might have played into it. We offer our condolences to his family and wish them the very best.” - Tom Osborne

 

[Redmich]

So is it safe to assume that Tom Osborne disgusts you? Tom was a longtime friend of Joe’s, he admired and had great respect for Joe and all that he had done. Here is a quote from him after Joe’s passing.

“I am saddened to hear the news of Joe Paterno’s passing. Joe was a genuinely good person. Whenever you recruited or played against Joe you knew how he operated and that he always stood for the right things. Of course, his longevity over time and his impact on college football is remarkable. Anybody who knew Joe feels badly about the circumstances. I suspect the emotional turmoil of the last few weeks might have played into it. We offer our condolences to his family and wish them the very best.” - Tom Osborne

Please show where I stated I was disgusted with Rhule

 

[king_kong_]

So is it safe to assume that Tom Osborne disgusts you? Tom was a longtime friend of Joe’s, he admired and had great respect for Joe and all that he had done. Here is a quote from him after Joe’s passing.

“I am saddened to hear the news of Joe Paterno’s passing. Joe was a genuinely good person. Whenever you recruited or played against Joe you knew how he operated and that he always stood for the right things. Of course, his longevity over time and his impact on college football is remarkable. Anybody who knew Joe feels badly about the circumstances. I suspect the emotional turmoil of the last few weeks might have played into it. We offer our condolences to his family and wish them the very best.” - Tom Osborne

that quote is repulsive. gov't work changed TO for the worse.

joe pa's demise should've been met with a humanity-wide chorus of "burn in hell".

it is my hope that his grave is eternally piss soaked.

 

[Gonzo3705]

People do realize that our current head coach is a great admirer of Paterno and when asked has stated that at the end of the day all that will be talked about are the wins and the great people he built

Yes, definitely something he should have thought through. The rest of the country will remember JoePa much differently and for good reason. I get that he saw him as a mentor and good football coach, but maybe just leave it at that.

For PSU/Happy Valley in general, there exists a cultish behavior when it comes to the actions of Paterno. So many are unwilling to acknowledge how bad that was and how much JoePa facilitated with non-action.