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OT: The PGA Tour, LIV Golf and the NCAA

Makes you wonder why the PGA Tour, an American institution, would be so asleep at the wheel for all these years

Should’ve learned from the ncaa but had its lunch money stolen instead

Typical bureaucratic operation in the end - the curtain has been removed & the actual value creators (the players) will soon be in charge of their own fates, as all elite independent contractors should be
When you really think about it the PGA does almost nothing.

They don't own the courses
They don't supply equipment
They don't have coaches
They don't (or hardly ever) offer up caddies
They use ****ing fans to hold up "Quiet" signs

It was/is amazing how they have scammed golfers for so long.
 
When you really think about it the PGA does almost nothing.

They don't own the courses
They don't supply equipment
They don't have coaches
They don't (or hardly ever) offer up caddies
They use ****ing fans to hold up "Quiet" signs

It was/is amazing how they have scammed golfers for so long.
The PGA is a bureaucracy. Nothing more, nothing less.

it’s exactly the same as the NCAA, hence the thread title

all I do here is try to show you guys the future and make you rich via betting. One day a thousand years from now you’ll all thank me
 
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The PGA is a bureaucracy. Nothing more, nothing less.

it’s exactly the same as the NCAA, hence the thread title

all I do here is try to show you guys the future and make you rich via betting. One day a thousand years from now you’ll all thank me
I have never understood why colleges let the NCAA do/take anything from them.

"Ummmm, yeah, so your school has to forfeit scholarships".

What? You don't run our ****ing school, morons.
 
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I have never understood why colleges let the NCAA do/take anything from them.

"Ummmm, yeah, so your school has to forfeit scholarships".

What? You don't run our ****ing school, morons.
For $1b+ per year the ncaa do work that could be accomplished by half a girls’ dorm floor at any public university in the country

come to think of it, I was grossly overstating the value of the PGA
 
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23 companies that sponsor the PGA Tour are backed by Saudi investments

EA Sports, which has made the PGA’s best video game franchise in the past and will make the flagship PGA video game moving forward, is backed by $1.1B from the Saudis

anyone feigning discontent with LIV while propping up the PGA is, at best, a hypocrite

the saudis are lowdown dirty scumbags. I’m not sure what that makes the PGA
 
For $1b+ per year the ncaa do work that could be accomplished by half a girls’ dorm floor at any public university in the country

come to think of it, I was grossly overstating the value of the PGA
The NCAA doesn't even do the scheduling. The schools do their own, amazing.
 
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It's golf...so nobody should really care too much. The Majors are mildly interesting to watch at the moment...maybe they will continue to be, or maybe they will become boring like the rest of golf. And like how most sports have become boring. They key is finding better things to do with your time.
 
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It's golf...so nobody should really care too much. The Majors are mildly interesting to watch at the moment...maybe they will continue to be, or maybe they will become boring like the rest of golf. And like how most sports have become boring. They key is finding better things to do with your time.
On this, you are correct

the most-watched golf tournament ever was the 2019 Masters. it garnered less viewership than the average regular season NFL game
 
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On this, you are correct

the most-watched golf tournament ever was the 2019 Masters. it garnered less viewership than the average regular season NFL game
Yeah. And you gotta think that huge guaranteed contracts and splitting the players up will diminish interest. Or at least change the demographic of those who watch. Maybe less guys like us and more young kids and Middle Eastern people or something.
 
It's golf...so nobody should really care too much. The Majors are mildly interesting to watch at the moment...maybe they will continue to be, or maybe they will become boring like the rest of golf. And like how most sports have become boring. They key is finding better things to do with your time.
I agree here as well. I love golf and watch a lot of it, but to your point I don't give a shit about the smaller tournaments. I also think that golf needs a revamp. Need to change some rules and also see how you can mix it up. I like that LIV is trying to incorporate a team atmosphere and at least looking for change.

Some of the rules of golf are absolutely ridiculous and need to be looked at.
 
Yeah. And you gotta think that huge guaranteed contracts and splitting the players up will diminish interest. Or at least change the demographic of those who watch. Maybe less guys like us and more young kids and Middle Eastern people or something.
Totally agree, if they go the Liv way, these tournaments are nothing but exhibitions, I won’t watch as much , and certainly won’t attend in Person,
 
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I used to know every baseball starter on every team when I was in college. Today, I couldn't name a starter on any team. That's what will happen to golf if LIV has its way.

Golf is interesting in part because it has been based solely on merit, not name. That's why the historical greats like Jack, Rory, and Tiger so loathe the Saudi's LIV, meritocracy is replaced by aristocracy.
 
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I used to know every baseball starter on every team when I was in college. Today, I couldn't name a starter on any team. That's what will happen to golf if LIV has its way.

Golf is interesting in part because it has been based solely on merit, not name. That's why the historical greats like Jack, Rory, and Tiger so loathe the Saudi's LIV, meritocracy is replaced by aristocracy.
Yeah but why?

You are still trying to win and finish first on LIV, which those guys you mentioned have all said is all that matters.

So, what does it matter to them if they are getting money for not winning when they claim that all that matters is the victory, not the cash.
 
Like conference realignment, you are forgetting the fans that support all this. Who has interest in watching Phil shoot +5 or Tiger +9 at the British Open and still make the cut?
 
Yeah but why?

You are still trying to win and finish first on LIV, which those guys you mentioned have all said is all that matters.

So, what does it matter to them if they are getting money for not winning when they claim that all that matters is the victory, not the cash.
imagine thinking Rory is on the short list of historical PGA Tour greats

probably the same thought process that leads you to believe everyone's interests are tied to your own, or similar to the thought process that limits merit to individual 4-day stretches

little kitty is clueless & has zero cogent argument, resorting to the tried and true 'old man yelling at cloud' method instead
 
Like conference realignment, you are forgetting the fans that support all this. Who has interest in watching Phil shoot +5 or Tiger +9 at the British Open and still make the cut?
the result of all this will be more fans, more exposure and more opportunity, just like with NIL+transfer portal/conference realignment and college football

your fandom won't be missed in either case
 
If you believe Rory isn't headed for the HOF then you have said more about your knowledge of golf than any thoughts you
the result of all this will be more fans, more exposure and more opportunity

your fandom won't be missed
Like baseball. LOL.
 
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If you believe Rory isn't headed for the HOF then you have said more about your knowledge of golf than any thoughts you

Like baseball. LOL.
moving the goalposts immediately, I see.

Rory is, of course, a Hall of Famer. His name, however, doesn't belong in the same paragraph as Tiger and Jack, much less the same sentence.

baseball doesn't miss you. you have been purposefully left behind.
 
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the result of all this will be more fans, more exposure and more opportunity, just like with NIL+transfer portal/conference realignment and college football

your fandom won't be missed in either case
It will definitely bring a different demographic of fans. The reality-show American-Idol-type...they'll probably even have audition-shows to cater to that crowd. And foreigners.

The true American guy sports-fan is being left behind.
 
It will definitely bring a different demographic of fans. The reality-show American-Idol-type...they'll probably even have audition-shows to cater to that crowd. And foreigners.

The true American guy sports-fan is being left behind.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your last point

The people who quit watching stuff due to change are usually empty bags, anyway

same couch for 20 years, same car for 15, etc

it’s why at the same time you stop watching pro football or this ksu fan stops watching baseball, those sports see a giant revenue increase

they don’t miss people like you one bit
 
I don’t necessarily disagree with your last point

The people who quit watching stuff due to change are usually empty bags, anyway

same couch for 20 years, same car for 15, etc

it’s why at the same time you stop watching pro football or this ksu fan stops watching baseball, those sports see a giant revenue increase

they don’t miss people like you one bit
I agree with this. The new generation will see colleges buying players as normal...golf being nothing but exhibitions as normal...no teams to like, just individually marketed players...etc. In some countries, the dictator even buys (or enforces) the outcomes of the games. That may be seen as normal to the new generation too, and they might have more viewers than when we watched.
 
I agree with this. The new generation will see colleges buying players as normal...golf being nothing but exhibitions as normal...no teams to like, just individually marketed players...etc. In some countries, the dictator even buys (or enforces) the outcomes of the games. That may be seen as normal to the new generation too, and they might have more viewers than when we watched.
Well said. Fans adjust to the new normal or leave. Is baseball better today than when Mantle, Yogi, and Moose were plying their trade for the Yankees? No. But players are making a killing, and presumably so are owners, and that's all that matters, even though I personally don't participate and could care less about the game I once loved. Golf may be headed down a similar path.
 
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some of us will continue to both capitalize on and immensely enjoy all sports

others will cry into their soup on message boards as they wait for a wave goodbye in the rearview mirror that will never come

such is life, I suppose
 
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some of us will continue to both capitalize on and immensely enjoy all sports

others will cry into their soup on message boards as they wait for a wave goodbye in the rearview mirror that will never come

such is life, I suppose
The problem is people like you want change at any cost , just like what’s happening in Washington, good luck with the new country dipshit!
 
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I don’t necessarily disagree with your last point

The people who quit watching stuff due to change are usually empty bags, anyway

same couch for 20 years, same car for 15, etc

it’s why at the same time you stop watching pro football or this ksu fan stops watching baseball, those sports see a giant revenue increase

they don’t miss people like you one bit

My 15 year old Honda would like to have a word with you. Winking
 
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The problem is people like you want change at any cost , just like what’s happening in Washington, good luck with the new country dipshit!
Please read the posts on page 1

all I’ve ever said is players (independent contractors) should have the freedom to do whatever they want
 
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Please read the posts on page 1

all I’ve ever said is players (independent contractors) should have the freedom to do whatever they want
In other posts you have criticized people that fight change, and I agree with you in some ways , sometimes change is needed , but sometimes it’s bad,, if I read you the wrong way I apologize!
 
In other posts you have criticized people that fight change, and I agree with you in some ways , sometimes change is needed , but sometimes it’s bad,, if I read you the wrong way I apologize!
I think people who fight change with "damn millennials", or who defend the status quo for no other reason than something being an "American institution" are intellectual lightweights, yes

I wish the PGA Tour had simply listened to the reasonable stance of its most important assets so we would've never had to deal with it in the first place

instead, they kept taking the money (just like the ncaa not too long ago), and now here we are

btw - the PGA Tour is in MN this week for the 3M Open. nobody's watching, no stars are playing and the title sponsor has spent the week being dragged through the mud for having accepted significant Saudi investment for 2 decades

hope all the virtue signaling was worth it, PGA Tour
 
I think people who fight change with "damn millennials", or who defend the status quo for no other reason than something being an "American institution" are intellectual lightweights, yes

I wish the PGA Tour had simply listened to the reasonable stance of its most important assets so we would've never had to deal with it in the first place

instead, they kept taking the money (just like the ncaa not too long ago), and now here we are

btw - the PGA Tour is in MN this week for the 3M Open. nobody's watching, no stars are playing and the title sponsor has spent the week being dragged through the mud for having accepted significant Saudi investment for 2 decades

hope all the virtue signaling was worth it, PGA Tour
My response is directed only to this:
“btw - the PGA Tour is in MN this week for the 3M Open. nobody's watching, no stars are playing and the title sponsor has spent the week being dragged through the mud for having accepted significant Saudi investment for 2 decades”

Bad example on your part to use the 3M event to back up your opinion about LIV/PGA. Historically, the tournament after the British Open has the weakest field of the year (no matter the sponsor or location). The majority of the top players don’t want to fly 8 hours Sunday night and try to readjust their biological clocks to deal with a non-major event. 3M had to charter a flight from the UK just to get a few players to agree to both. Has nothing to do with the current drama in golf—this is the week most top players take off.
 
I'm watching the 3M. Nice course. Streb is a K-Stater. Also like watching Tony and the race for the playoffs. Have not watched a second of the soiled, Saudi LIV.
 
I'm watching the 3M. Nice course. Streb is a K-Stater. Also like watching Tony and the race for the playoffs. Have not watched a second of the soiled, Saudi LIV.
scott piercy is melting down as we speak

have Finau +850 to win. hopefully he takes it down and cashes a nice Saudi-funded (via 3M & the soiled PGA Tour) check.
 
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meltdown complete!

c'mon, Tony! get that dirty Saudi money!!
 
meltdown complete!

c'mon, Tony! get that dirty Saudi money!!
This has nothing to do with Saudi money, , I talked to a friend who works for the PGA , they don’t want the members playing another tour , it would be the same if it was a China based tour , it seems like you are trying to start something that doesn’t exist!
 
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On this, you are correct

the most-watched golf tournament ever was the 2019 Masters. it garnered less viewership than the average regular season NFL game
I’m an avid golfer and watch a lot of golf on TV. I also have a number of friends who are in the same boat. Having said that, I don’t know a single person that has watched a minute of the first two tournaments. I realize the Saudi money is very large but sooner or later interest wil need to increase or it will go the way of the USFL. JMO.
 
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It's only a few spoiled millennials who see this as some sort of victory over the boomers - only they find this Saudi-backed tour buy rational and good for the game. Their arguments are weak as Biden's mind.

Nobody will watch until all the first names go over: Rory, Scotty, JT, Jordan, and the like. Watching now is like watching has-beens on the Champions Tour.
 
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It's only a few spoiled millennials who see this as some sort of victory over the boomers - only they find this Saudi-backed tour buy rational and good for the game. Their arguments are weak as Biden's mind.

Nobody will watch until all the first names go over: Rory, Scotty, JT, Jordan, and the like. Watching now is like watching has-beens on the Champions Tour.
the PGA Tour itself believes being backed by Saudi Arabia and those complicit with Saudi Arabia (3M, EA Sports and 21 more sponsors) is good for the game. otherwise, it would turn its nose up at Saudi dollars.

we are on page 5 of this thread, and your feeble mind has not yet produced a single cogent argument defending your stance (probably because you have no stance aside from virtue signaling/posturing like a triggered snowflake).

not a single one.
 
Your gorilla-like ignorance is only surpassed by your lack of attention and/or comprehension. I'll give you a couple arguments I've made previously.

First, the tour is great because it's a meritocracy, not a LIV-like aristocracy where has-beens like Phil get paid only for their name, not their game.

Second, the money going to players has to come from somewhere if the PGA matches LIV; most likely from charities supported now by the tour and other minor league tour sponsored events like the Korn Ferry and Champions.
 
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Your gorilla-like ignorance is only surpassed by your lack of attention and/or comprehension. I'll give you a couple arguments I've made previously.

First, the tour is great because it's a meritocracy, not a LIV-like aristocracy where has-beens like Phil get paid only for their name, not their game.

Second, the money going to players has to come from somewhere if the PGA matches LIV; most likely from charities supported now by the tour and other minor league tour sponsored events like the Korn Ferry and Champions.
your first argument is comparing apples and oranges - LIV and PGA Tour events are not the same

in your second, are you saying the PGA is being forced to rob its own Peters to pay its own Pauls now that it has competition? or is this somehow a justification for the PGA Tour having taken Saudi money from dozens of sponsors for 30+ years?
 
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