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Are you guys really so naive to think that you can have a world where everyone is educated and has a professional job?
My comments weren't meant to be specific to that one dude is the response to point 1.
But I will note that it said 2. Lone wolf/homegrown, ie he wasn't imported but radicalized here.
In response to 3. the pipe swingers are usually uneducated and poor. the dudes in charge of the radicalizing are usually pretty smart and some even Western educated.
"This wasn't the angry neighbor who just snapped. This was Islamic Jihad."
Yes, but he's homegrown. This guy wasn't on deployment from a cave. He was batting for our side at one time. He was someone's neighbor.
I agree with a great deal of what you posted, but the key difference here is that those Americans shooting each other aren't doing it in the name of a religion. The size of these attacks undertaken by religious zealots will become as large as our intelligence will allow them to become.
I'm guessing this attack is San Bernardino was as much about finding out how much they can get away with as much as it was the attack itself. This means it's open season on soft targets. So the next guy, instead of being 60 miles from LA, will be 30 miles away, with more manpower. And the next, 15...until they get to the epicenter of a city.
Americans generally aren't looking to detonate a dirty bomb in a major metro area. Islamic extremists are.
"He wasn't a "Lone Wolf." He was a radicalized Muslim terrorist. There is a distinction. Lone Wolves are losers. "
I would also point out that from the USG point of view, we colloquially throw around guys like this as lone wolf if they aren't acting at the direction of a higher controlling power.
For example, there's a difference between a dude who al-Baghdadi sends over here on a mission, and a dude who radicalizes here and claims allegiance to ISIS or its ideology having never been over to train in their camps or meet the leadership.
Edit: ISIS will take both, but since any number of 300 million people here could claim to act for ISIS, it makes the group seem more "monolithic" than they are, if any snuffy can say he's an ISIS adherent as he beheads a chicken. More terror for the buck.
Do you really think we are trying to make that suggestion? You can call us naive. I think you're simple.
From the part you posted, that's what it read like. I'm having to show ignored content, as it appears I'm missing part of what was intended.
You wrote:
"Its always been my belief that Islamic radicals would be virtually eradicated if they had some of the educational and professional opportunities of Americans. In contrary, this man was radicalized by a Spouse from Pakistan with ties to ISIS."
So it sounded to me like you were trying to say all we have to do is educate these people and give them a job.
It appears that this is what you used to believe, and you are saying you don't believe this anymore in light of what happened.
This. The Internet has done some great things for the world. Unfortunately it has also allowed every religious zealot and snake oil salesman to join up and reach more people with their brand of crazy.
Here is perfect example of what I'm talking about.
"A law enforcement official said it appeared that Wednesday's mass shooting may have been inspired by ISIS."
"But none of the officials said that ISIS directed or ordered the attack. ISIS has called for people worldwide to launch attacks in its name, but isn't known to have claimed credit for what happened in San Bernardino."
""This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," a law enforcement official said."
People just see ISIS attacks and assume Baghdadi is invading their home. In reality, its a situation where radicals are out to "go get one for the team" that they've never been a part of.
How many years have gone by since that conference room has been rented out in San Bernadino without ONE terrorist attack?
And yet, it happened. Not ONE person in that conference room was prepared for 2 terrorists armed with rifles to burst in and kill them.
IT ONLY HAS TO HAPPEN ONCE. The 14 victims never experienced it before and never will again. You only get one chance to survive.
When the bullets started flying do you think that anyone in that room wished for that moment that they had a 9mm high capacity sidearm with them?
As usual, by the time the earliest first responder arrived, the carnage is over. Gun free zones need to go away. Armed, trained CC folks need to be EVERYWHERE.
You can huddle behind a table waiting for your turn to die, hoping you will be missed by the gunman or be prepared.
We don't know if a few CC holders would have turned the tables or at least reduced casualties, but we do know what happened without them.
Meanwhile, as we're debating this, my boss sent around a video on what to do in an active shooter situation. Haven't watched it yet but I'm going to assume that whatever the strategy is, at best it's "try not to be found." My 5 year old has done "lockdown drill" for when "bad guys" come to school two years in a row. Turns my stomach to hear her talk about it.
This is the country we're living in, boys. Didn't used to be like this. There is one and only one universally common theme in all these shootings, and that's the fusion of a total disregard for human life and guns that make it easy to disregard a couple dozen of them in a couple minutes. We ain't gonna fix crazy, so guess what the other variable is that can be influenced?
What I don't get is why you guys who want to shoot and carry aren't the first ones trying to keep the clowns out of your party. They're gonna ruin it for you and if I were you all, I'd get behind some laws you can live with before you wind up talking about when they used to be legal.
This is the country we're living in, boys. Didn't used to be like this. There is one and only one universally common theme in all these shootings, and that's the fusion of a total disregard for human life and guns that make it easy to disregard a couple dozen of them in a couple minutes. We ain't gonna fix crazy, so guess what the other variable is that can be influenced?
What I don't get is why you guys who want to shoot and carry aren't the first ones trying to keep the clowns out of your party. They're gonna ruin it for you and if I were you all, I'd get behind some laws you can live with before you wind up talking about when they used to be legal.
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It couldn't be any easier to get guns than it is right now. So where was the vigilante hero when we needed them? What you all fail to get is that a lot of people don't want to, and never will carry a gun everywhere. You act like 10 guys had to leave their glock back in the car because of that conference room. That's not how it works.
Why J, do you mean to suggest that just because I cheer for Nebraska, that doesn't make me a player?
All the while opening doors to hundreds of thousands of immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries to come here since 9-1-1. (29% of those same immigrants felt that violence was justified against America for the sake of "holy jihad"). Does that make sense to anyone else?
We can stop this immediately if we really want. Can you name any Muslim territory that are peaceful and get along with their neighbors?
We have a ridiculous number of gun laws in this country and California has more than its share.
It boils down to this... do you want to protect YOURSELF or rely on the well meaning police to come and herd out the survivors, draw the chalk lines and put out yellow tape and hold a nice press conference lamenting your death?
It is really that simple. Self defense or not, it is YOUR choice. If 30 of those 85 -90 folks were armed and had any semblance of gun range training, those two would have lasted seconds, not minutes. But our gun phobic public would rather "hope" it doesn't happen to them than allow CC holders to carry weapons.
HOPE is not a strategy.
The vigilante hero does not exist except in movies. Vigilante infers illegal intervention. As a general statement CC holders no NOT carry illegally and we may never know if any of them did indeed leave a gun (glock or other) in their car.
I don't act like 10 guys or gals had to leave their glock in the car, it may very well be true that of the 85-90 folks, not one would carry a weapon even if they could. I think it is reasonable to assume that many of the victims as they were being shot, WISH THEY HAD. Especially if they huddled up waiting for their turn to be shot. I never want to feel that helplessness.
I do act like any crowd of 100 people anywhere, anytime should have 20-25 CC holders. It damn sure doesn't work that way but that's how it NEEDS to work.
People are killed by violence everyday, shot, stabbed and bludgeoned, as a people, we have the herd mentality. There are so many of us that we think it can't happen to us. If they were alive, the 14 victims could tell you... It only has to happen once.
YOU ONLY GET ONE CHANCE TO SURVIVE A RARE ASSAULT ON YOUR LIFE. Defend yourself or not.
It is a personal decision. I personally hope that more folks decide to get trained and get permits. I'll take my chances with an poorly trained armed housewife beside me rather than an unarmed victim.
I'm not against guns as I said. I'm just continually surprised by the number of folks who want to add weapons to a gun locker that won't be with them at the likely point of engagement.
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Or to put it another way. I was out on deployment last year and chatting up one of the Delta guys while we were sitting around. Getting to know him, asked if he had the stereotypical "pile 'o guns" and all that. He's like "no". He had this to say.
"Its not about how many guns you collect, its about how well you use the ones you have."
So Beav, have you ever provided a direct answer to my post? I'll summarize. Do you now believe that it is happening here (in the U.S.) and, if so, are you now agreeable to military action overseas because of it? No 600 word response necessary.
What's the objective and the end state?
These are questions that must be answered, even if politicians don't want to consider them up front. We had neither answered by President's Bush or Obama in GWOT, and it just kind of dragged on under its own inertia until it flamed out.
Military force isn't just applied in a vacuum.
your not an ape, and you have a purpose and reason for existing. sola Dei gloria.
be thankful for guns to resist tyranny, and just war.
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I have 3 guns. 2 for hunting, and a pistol. They are all I think I need. I am sure certain people in this thread (because of their angry, libtarded, pre-conceived notion) think I have an armorment, and can't wait to shoot somebody. But we all know it is ok for the Left to have their bias and racist thoughts.
Yah three is no great shakes. Most guys I know roll with at least two on them
I don't carry, myself. Hell I hate carrying on the FOB even.
What folks legally spend their money on isn't my business, but I'm equally surprised by folks who own 200 cabbage patch kids or 500 beanie babies or 10,000 lighters. But its their money.
I guess like most collectors, many gun fanciers believe their collection will have value some day.
I hope someday guns are collected and not needed to defend our lives. But for now... I'll keep a few handy and at least one within reach.
What folks legally spend their money on isn't my business, but I'm equally surprised by folks who own 200 cabbage patch kids or 500 beanie babies or 10,000 lighters. But its their money.
I guess like most collectors, many gun fanciers believe their collection will have value some day.
I hope someday guns are collected and not needed to defend our lives. But for now... I'll keep a few handy and at least one within reach.
Me too, guns just happened to be brought up.
But I do own a few bass guitars and a lot of drums.
Only about 10 times. Can you read or not? Told you, gotta nuke everything. Nuke stuff til everyone loves us.
Racist against...the race of inanimate objects? Those damned libtards! They're the WORST!
I mean we can all agree that if guns did not exist ...like never...this place would be a better place to live in...right?
No, you didn't. I've been reading your rants about pretty much everything, but you didn't answer the question. You're goofy. Your emotions are controlling you and compromising your ability to think clearly.
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