I fly once a year and I can't imagine how crazy that would be for a commercial plane to be hundreds of feet off the ground and swerve to avoid a helicopter. While landing at a super busy airport. At night. May as well speculate about if the pilot could have teleported to a different airport right before the crash.
OT- DC commercial plane and Blackhawk collide
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IF means IF. IF he had seen it earlier. He apparently tried to pull it up when he saw it way too late. No doubt his singular focus was on the runway and his older plane likely didn’t have the latest accident avoidance tech that might have warned him in time.
Evasive maneuvers be damned, that is for combat not being talked into your destination by traffic controllers. There was something terribly wrong in that tower that evening.
I live about 3 miles from Davison field in Lorton, Va. That is where the Blackhawk flight originated. A few years, a Blackhawk was down to the trees right next to our apartment no more than 150 feet away. Maybe as little as 100. Likely from Davison.
Also, about 5 years ago, Air Force One turned to line up for final to Andrews about 2000 feet above our apartment.
Nice! I lived in Montclair for a while when my parents were stationed at Quantico & Pentagon. I don't miss the traffic.
When the WSJ calls it the dumbest trade war in history…….
Just face it dingle the stupid bitch flying the helicopter was somewhere she wasn’t supposed to be and killed 66 other people.
Sounds like this was all on the helicopter? Flying near 300 feet while the ATC described the plane they need to watch as being at 1,200 feet just south of the Wilson Bridge.
I wonder if the air traffic controllers will get an apology from everyone that immediately blamed DEI if the helicopter is indeed found to be at fault?
I wonder if the air traffic controllers will get an apology from everyone that immediately blamed DEI if the helicopter is indeed found to be at fault?
First of all she wasn’t stupid. Second of all she had a flight instructor on board who could have corrected her if he was awake. It’s fine if you want to solely blame her but they HAVE to address the other safety issues to eliminate as many variables as possible. They need a redundancy of checks to prevent crap like this.
You mean like a blinking red light and an alarm telling her she's flying right into a huge fvcking plane? I gotta assume a system or two was yelling at her to stop...I find it impossible to believe that hopticopter didn't have a collision avoidance system telling her she was fvcking up, loudly.
I actually believe a former Blackhawk pilot said they don’t have accident avoidance warnings because of how they’re flown. I could be wrong.
What WAS turned off was a system that might have given the tower a more accurate altitude reading. I’ve questioned since the beginning the accuracy of the altitude reports and wondered why the control tower hadn’t warned the Blackhawk that they were too high. This might be the smoking gun in that regard. The tower data recorder had the Blackhawk at 200’. The black boxes say the collision happened at roughly 325.
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I accept the helo crew screwed up. I always did.
Especially if what I think I heard is true and they were wearing NVG’s at the time. In a well lit area, that creates more problems for the crew. Then there is the radar equipment that was turned off, which should only be turned off in situations where you don’t want to be tracked.
The helicopter crew is definitely negligent.
Yes, it’s perfectly clear they saw the wrong plane. It’s clear NOW. It needs to be clear before the accident.
Going forward the point is to prevent this from happening. If no changes are made on the side of ATC Communication, then they are not fixing the problem. We’re not talking about flying in and out of Omaha. Sure, the flight path cannot take you over Offutt, and vis versa. But it’s not a tight airspace. In DC, You have helo’s and plane in close proximity, with documented Close-calls in the past, you need to look at the whole scope of operating in an airport environment.
Their signature electronic were turned off because they were doing doomsday training
She is PIC fault ultimately lies at her feet. She was either stupid or she was evil. I won't speculate but there is no way they didn't see that commercial jet.
It's not airport environment. It is Class B airspace. Everything besides breaching the ceiling is just noise. If you are Military training in Class B, C or D airspace, it is really really really important to respect the ceiling.
The easy answer to this is no more training in controlled airspace. The equipment was turned off due to flying a continuity of government mission, so for some reason they're allowed to turn it off. If there is a little bit of blame to assign besides the BlackHawk, it doesn't belong to the tower or the pilot of the jet. It belongs to the Military for wanting these missions, politicians for wanting increased traffic at this specific airport and the FAA for allowing this insanity.
Waiting to release her name so they could scrub her online history first is a giant red flag...to big to ignore, for me... and since they did it, i'm left with no choice but to assume it would have made her look like an idiot and we all would have wondered how she got to where she was with the views she displayed. They would have been better off not doing that IMO...no matter what it showed, because now people like me feel justified thinking the worst.
