Remember the jersey drone incident? All the crazy conspiracy theories by all these experts but I don't see anyone over here acknowledging the new group just admitted the old group already explained it correctly. It's so funny. Our own aviation expert dingle was certain it was the Chinese, while he also managed to bring the SPR into the discussion. Which btw, is another subject he is clueless about.
OT- DC commercial plane and Blackhawk collide
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Atc monitor shows the chopper at 200 feet AGL and 7 seconds after they started ascending impact happened. This is pretty cut and dry. The chopper pilot even requested visual separation, which was granted. That gives all responsibility to the pilot of the chopper to maintain that separation. Then, they immediately go and break the ceiling.
There are 19 of 30 positions filled since 2023. And they've had applicants. There is an issue there but it played no part in the events two nights ago.
My brother-in-law is Director of the NTIA and he says that dingleshitz is the biggest troll on this board.
7 seconds. That’s a fairly long time. So in your opinion IF the controller’s attention had been focused on one station instead of two, could they have prevented this accident by directing the chopper to change elevation? Multiple former pilots are absolving the plane’s pilot but questioning the controller’s instruction even though it appears obvious the chopper wasn’t where it should have been.
People are questioning why we fly missions along that river. After walking around the Whitehouse perimeter yesterday and then to the Capitol building yesterday, I can see why we keep air assets in close proximity and patrol that river with them. That river especially at high tide, provides rapid access to the Whitehouse and multiple key buildings for a drone that could take off from a pleasure craft. Flight time from the Potomac to the White House would be a few seconds.
There was a Chinese national arrested trying to flee the country after using a drone to film a U.S. military installation in California recently. Anybody who doesn’t think bad actors are using drones to monitor our sensitive areas are fools. They’ve purchased ag land around some of our military installations in the west for heaven’s sake.
So you are not only disputing the former groups explanation, you are disputing the current groups confirmation as well? Hilarious.
That is what Google is for. I am sure there is a youtube video with a step by step guide for diagnosing disease and baby delivery.
Hey man, stop diluting my clear and undisputed medical expertise. I've spent decades as a doctor's brother-in-law!
No, that is what you call not believing everything that was said or what you read about the drones in NJ. There are in fact foreign nationals flying drones over the US including in and around military installations. To assume that the NJ drones weren't doing the same is really no different than someone that believes the drones flying in California and around the Army Posts in Texas are just your run of the mill everyday folks flying drones.
Nope. Never said that. I’m saying that anybody who didn’t consider foreign spying via drones was being a fool. I had no doubt that most if not all of those NJ drones were either private or our own military. I didn’t promote the mother ship idea. That said when you look at the size of some of the pleasure craft on the Potomac for instance, launching a terror attack on the Whitehouse from one of those boats isn’t inconceivable
There’s a large museum a few blocks from my hotel dedicated solely to spying and spy equipment. The good news is not everybody trusts the Chinese, Russians and Iranians. I guarantee you that the CIA and Department of Defense are actively aware of the threat drones present.
Don’t bother. Nobody will believe you.Not a good look
Have you ever flown? Not as a passenger. Actually flew the plane? It’s pretty easy to say 7 seconds is a fairly long time. There’s a lot of stuff going on on takeoff and landing and when you’re in the airport environment. 7 seconds isn’t even a blink.
I held off making comments, because as someone who has flown it’s pretty F’d up when people that think they know how hectic things are jump to conclusions.
That said, my initial thought was that the helo pilot MIGHT have been at the wrong altitude.
I also, thought the controller could’ve given more clear instructions on which aircraft to follow, ie., descending/ arriving aircraft vs generic aircraft, when there are multiple in a small space.
Either way, it’s a tragic situation and I feel for the families. Certainly for those of the lost lives, but the controller, whether or not found at fault, has to live with that for the rest of their life, including their family.
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I have not flown a plane. I understand how fast they’re moving and how quickly sh## comes at them. Bruce 1981 seems to be knowledgeable and I was asking HIM if he thought the accident could have been avoided if the controller had been solely focused on one station. Normally there’s another controller focused on chopper traffic. It appears to me that the controller had too much on their plate in that moment. It’s one of the busiest runways in our country.
I 💯 agree the staffing is an issue and yes I have thoughts on why that is. Probably even stated here earlier.
7 seconds after being granted visual separation is nothing. Should there be 2 controllers? Yes. Is that why this happened or the instructions were unclear so this is why this happened? No.
I don't think you understand the repercussions of breaking elevation limits. That owner of the drone that hit the plane scooper in California if found, would face a 75,000 dollar fine and or a year in jail for breaking that TFR alone.
CNN has a video up with a retired female Blackhawk pilot who cites 3 factors contributing to the accident. One obviously is the chopper’s elevation which she states as being between 350 and 400 feet. Not 500 but still too high. Second was the Blackhawk was short of a crew chief to monitor side traffic. Third was the controller’s query “do you see the CRJ?” There were two jets in that area and they didnt specify which jet. Speculation from “experts” continue to suggest that the crew chief focused on the wrong jet mentioned by the controller. Edit additionally she stated that the night vision could have contributed.
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Did you get hacked? That wasn't you saying they were foreign adversaries?
I do understand the seriousness and repercussions. I also understand that there’s hundreds if not thousands of idiots in the U.S. that own hobby drones.
Are you saying that the air traffic controller had an intellectual disability, or was deaf, or blind? Just trying to figure out what you were saying here.Doesn't look good
It appears that what you posted is for an air traffic trainee. Ultimately these trainees are hired at the discretion of their managers and higher ups. I seriously doubt that any of the targeted population (3%) are put into positions that would endanger the lives of others.
I was saying that we can’t discount that possibility. The Chinese have been shown recently to be using drone surveillance. Even though our Presidents publicly have stated that the NJ drones weren’t foreign actors, I’m not sure either would be advised to say that there were foreign actors involved publicly by the CIA or DD.
Download autopylot and mess around with it a little. People who were crying for drone regulations during the NJ event don't understand there are already FAA policies in place. A recreational drone PIC can have their life ruined if not careful.
If they have those kind of regulations on aircraft that can weigh no more than 55 pounds, how important would it be for a Blackhawk to follow ceiling limitations?
A Chinese national is in prison for just that. Do you think they identified every drone and know what every drone was doing in that area over NJ? I don’t.
Who said the chopper was at 500 feet?
She could have stopped at elevation. That's all that matters here.
Very obviously. Did they violate that to try to avoid the jet taking off? The question of why the chopper was at that elevation will probably never be answered but no doubt it’s being asked. It was extremely windy here that night and when we landed here Tuesday there was a tremendous amount of wake turbulence.
What jet taking off? There were no jets in the air from takeoff in their general vicinity. If they had to take elusive maneuvers from a jet taking off the jet they actually hit would have had to as well.
You didn’t answer my question on whether or not you think the accident could have been prevented if the controller was focused on one station. Clearly the chopper was too high. Why didn’t the controller alert the pilot to that? I appreciate your input and not trying to be combative. Eventually I’ll talk to my brother-in-law to get his take too. My view has always been there were multiple potential factors and that is supported by CNN’s former Blackhawk pilot. The one critical factor clearly was the chopper’s elevation.
There was a jet either taking off or preparing to take off on an adjacent runway according to multiple sources and that has been identified as a potential factor by multiple officials.
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The only factor is the chopper pilot fk’d up and was in a position they weren’t supposed to be in .
