My favorite quotes from Coach Frost yesterday

[Dean Pope]

"The best thing Coach Osborne did with all those players was everybody practiced. It wasn't 22 guys practicing with everyone else on a knee, holding their helmet. It was 88 guys practicing at one time and part of that was what led to the development of players and helped walkons and young players get better faster and get out on the field and help the team.

"Nebraska football used to be built on being physical, being tough and working harder than every other team. And there's some pieces that have been missing here that we are going to try to get back."

"The Nebraska I knew, the strength and conditioning, what was expected of them, and what kids looked like physically, that's not really what we're walking back into, but that's what Zach Duval is here for."

 

[Pennsyhusker]

"The best thing Coach Osborne did with all those players was everybody practiced. It wasn't 22 guys practicing with everyone else on a knee, holding their helmet. It was 88 guys practicing at one time and part of that was what led to the development of players and helped walkons and young players get better faster and get out on the field and help the team.

"Nebraska football used to be built on being physical, being tough and working harder than every other team. And there's some pieces that have been missing here that we are going to try to get back."

"The Nebraska I knew, the strength and conditioning, what was expected of them, and what kids looked like physically, that's not really what we're walking back into, but that's what Zach Duval is here for."

So I guess Boyd Epley flopped here under Riley. Or was his advice simply ignored by Riley and his strength & conditioning coaches? I remember Epley said at the beginning of Riley's tenure that he was surprised at how behind the team was in physicality. He thought it would take a few years to get it back up.

Or is complaining about the previous regime's physical development of players something that all new coaches do in order to convince the masses that they "need time" since the previous guys were such screw ups?

 

[Mack In Motion]

"The best thing Coach Osborne did with all those players was everybody practiced. It wasn't 22 guys practicing with everyone else on a knee, holding their helmet. It was 88 guys practicing at one time and part of that was what led to the development of players and helped walkons and young players get better faster and get out on the field and help the team.

"Nebraska football used to be built on being physical, being tough and working harder than every other team. And there's some pieces that have been missing here that we are going to try to get back."

"The Nebraska I knew, the strength and conditioning, what was expected of them, and what kids looked like physically, that's not really what we're walking back into, but that's what Zach Duval is here for."

Sweet to have an actual football coach running this program once again. This is gonna be fun.

 

[Husker1078]

"Im not here to win February... Im here to try to win football games in the fall...."

 

[dand84]

So I guess Boyd Epley flopped here under Riley. Or was his advice simply ignored by Riley and his strength & conditioning coaches? I remember Epley said at the beginning of Riley's tenure that he was surprised at how behind the team was in physicality. He thought it would take a few years to get it back up.

Or is complaining about the previous regime's physical development of players something that all new coaches do in order to convince the masses that they "need time" since the previous guys were such screw ups?

Not sure, but I'll take SF's analysis of the situation over ours. Do you think he is lying? He really hammered previous regimes yesterday from health/diet, to roster management, to attitude, to practice, to the walk-on program to the state of the program in general. We have evidence of workouts needing to be run at a reduced level (80%). We have a 4-8 record. We have tape of the first 3 games last year clearly showing a team not physically up to it. We have former coaches/players telling us how bad things were but many discounting what they said.

 

[BroskiRed]

So I guess Boyd Epley flopped here under Riley. Or was his advice simply ignored by Riley and his strength & conditioning coaches? I remember Epley said at the beginning of Riley's tenure that he was surprised at how behind the team was in physicality. He thought it would take a few years to get it back up.

Or is complaining about the previous regime's physical development of players something that all new coaches do in order to convince the masses that they "need time" since the previous guys were such screw ups?

In a way you're answering your own question. Over on a different recruiting site, a poster Short Side Option detailed some of the dysfunction between the S &C staff and Boyd Epley. I won't copy and paste here for fear it might be removed by the Mod gods. Suffice it to say that Mark Phillip and Boyd were not on the same page operations wise. You answered your own question because it points to the maddening inconsistency of both message and purpose from the top down of the Riley regime. It is refreshing yesterday to hear unity of purpose including Strength and Conditioning, Admissions of athletes, and practicing in such a way that maximizes development for all rather than a few.
This has a chance at being a very special time for fans of this program.
Go Big Red Pennsy!

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Not sure, but I'll take SF's analysis of the situation over ours. Do you think he is lying? He really hammered previous regimes yesterday from health/diet, to roster management, to attitude, to practice, to the walk-on program to the state of the program in general. We have evidence of workouts needing to be run at a reduced level (80%). We have a 4-8 record. We have tape of the first 3 games last year clearly showing a team not physically up to it. We have former coaches/players telling us how bad things were but many discounting what they said.

Oh I agree with everything you just said. I am mainly curious about Epley and what his role or non role was in the previous regime.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

In a way you're answering your own question. Over on a different recruiting site, a poster Short Side Option detailed some of the dysfunction between the S &C staff and Boyd Epley. I won't copy and paste here for fear it might be removed by the Mod gods. Suffice it to say that Mark Phillip and Boyd were not on the same page operations wise. You answered your own question because it points to the maddening inconsistency of both message and purpose from the top down of the Riley regime. It is refreshing yesterday to hear unity of purpose including Strength and Conditioning, Admissions of athletes, and practicing in such a way that maximizes development for all rather than a few.
This has a chance at being a very special time for fans of this program.
Go Big Red Pennsy!

This! That answers my main question.
And yes ... GBR!
We have a real coach

 

[timnsun]

On top of that we have crazy-ass Bob Diaco stating last season that he was surprised coming in that team didn’t understand fundamental tackling.

We have Milt Tenopir being surprised at what he “saw” at practice. We got owned at the line of scrimmage even by crappy teamd we played including NIU. We didn’t make Ohio state punt. Minnesota recorded MULTIPLE sacks on us utilizing a 3 man rush in a prevent defense look.

Our “best recruiter” left us razor thin at corner. Even though nobody can recruit like him.

Don’t know what more evidence people need to understand our head guy was done, gone, and retired even though he rode his bike in to work every day, and that the team followed suit.

A signed and sworn affidavit?

No one is arguing against that. Evidence is crystal clear. Before last season, people were arguing that, me included. Midway through last season, the only remaining apologists were mainly concerned about keeping the 2018 class together. After yesterday, even those fears seem unwarranted.

 

[Antwill]

"The best thing Coach Osborne did with all those players was everybody practiced. It wasn't 22 guys practicing with everyone else on a knee, holding their helmet. It was 88 guys practicing at one time and part of that was what led to the development of players and helped walkons and young players get better faster and get out on the field and help the team.

"Nebraska football used to be built on being physical, being tough and working harder than every other team. And there's some pieces that have been missing here that we are going to try to get back."

"The Nebraska I knew, the strength and conditioning, what was expected of them, and what kids looked like physically, that's not really what we're walking back into, but that's what Zach Duval is here for."

So I guess Boyd Epley flopped here under Riley. Or was his advice simply ignored by Riley and his strength & conditioning coaches? I remember Epley said at the beginning of Riley's tenure that he was surprised at how behind the team was in physicality. He thought it would take a few years to get it back up.

Or is complaining about the previous regime's physical development of players something that all new coaches do in order to convince the masses that they "need time" since the previous guys were such screw ups?

You don't fall to where we were at the end of last season without a whole lot of dysfunction.

Frost has been hammering on all these things (Nebraska way, toughness, hard work, unity of purpose) since the day he was hired. Now that Moos is here, the coach is going to have way more control over the direction of the program than there's been since TO was running the show, and that's a very good thing.

 

[jedimasterjed]

Riley did things the Oregon way, it's good to do things the Nebraska way again

 

[davecisar]

So I guess Boyd Epley flopped here under Riley. Or was his advice simply ignored by Riley and his strength & conditioning coaches? I remember Epley said at the beginning of Riley's tenure that he was surprised at how behind the team was in physicality.

That is perplexing
HOWEVER, remember we were lied to time and time again by Riley- who said he was committed to and wanted to run the ball. Despite the run to pass yardage ratios of his OSU teams which were sometimes 4-1 pass to run. Historically- that just wasnt true.

Was what he said what he wanted to do or was it said just to make the fans hoping? Well- the results are the results

Could there have been things done that on the face- looked like Riley was heading in the right direction- like "we want to run the ball" and he didnt and "we now have Boyd Epley in the fold" and NU doesnt implement Boyds approach.?

Rileys sunny public persona allowed him to get a free pass on a lot of things he did. Im guessing more will come out once the onion is peeled back.

That's all very encouraging- it means there is plenty of meat left on the bone.

 

[WC_'sker]

Riley did things the Oregon way, it's good to do things the Nebraska way again

actually "the Oregon State way"

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

"Im not here to win February... Im here to try to win football games in the fall...."

We didn’t come here to play school

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

This isn't intramurals, this is the Big Twe......oops bad example

 

[B1G RED RULES]

"The best thing Coach Osborne did with all those players was everybody practiced. It wasn't 22 guys practicing with everyone else on a knee, holding their helmet. It was 88 guys practicing at one time and part of that was what led to the development of players and helped walkons and young players get better faster and get out on the field and help the team.

"Nebraska football used to be built on being physical, being tough and working harder than every other team. And there's some pieces that have been missing here that we are going to try to get back."

"The Nebraska I knew, the strength and conditioning, what was expected of them, and what kids looked like physically, that's not really what we're walking back into, but that's what Zach Duval is here for."

Scott is very honest about the previous staff’s complete ineptitude. These comments are going to ruffle some poster’s feathers.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Riley did things the Oregon way, it's good to do things the Nebraska way again

Correction - Oregon State way. Oregon and Riley don’t belong in the same sentence.

 

[timnsun]

Scott is very honest about the previous staff’s complete ineptitude. These comments are going to ruffle some poster’s feathers.

Scott is pretty qualified to speak about these things. Pretty sure hearing these things from Scott will be better received than if it came from run of the mill message board posters.

Contrary to what you believe, everyone is behind Scott. His voice matters.

 

[c2o]

We didn’t come here to play school

Cardale didn't.
We can be better.

 

[kaz36]

That is perplexing
HOWEVER, remember we were lied to time and time again by Riley- who said he was committed to and wanted to run the ball. Despite the run to pass yardage ratios of his OSU teams which were sometimes 4-1 pass to run. Historically- that just wasnt true.

Was what he said what he wanted to do or was it said just to make the fans hoping? Well- the results are the results

Could there have been things done that on the face- looked like Riley was heading in the right direction- like "we want to run the ball" and he didnt and "we now have Boyd Epley in the fold" and NU doesnt implement Boyds approach.?

Rileys sunny public persona allowed him to get a free pass on a lot of things he did. Im guessing more will come out once the onion is peeled back.

That's all very encouraging- it means there is plenty of meat left on the bone.

When did Riley ever have a pass to run ratio of 4-1 in his years at Oregon State? Yes, historically he passed more than he ran for the most part, but it was never 4-1.

Also, how is it Riley lying when the words came out of Boyd's mouth about the players poor training from the prior(Bo) regime?

 

[huskerssalts]

"Im not here to win February... Im here to try to win football games in the fall...."

Well that appears to be the next step. But we have to do this very important part first and it starts somewhere.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Scott is pretty qualified to speak about these things. Pretty sure hearing these things from Scott will be better received than if it came from run of the mill message board posters.

Contrary to what you believe, everyone is behind Scott. His voice matters.

The message was sarcastic. Of course Scott knows best. It doesn’t take an insider to know the sh*t show Riley was running, but somebody dares bring it up on the board, your get comments like “get over it” and “Riley represented the university with class”. Should Frost just get over it?

Personally, I think Scott should expose that simpleton for the nation to see as long as he collects a Nebraska paycheck.

 

[davecisar]

When did Riley ever have a pass to run ratio of 4-1 in his years at Oregon State? Yes, historically he passed more than he ran for the most part, but it was never 4-1.

Also, how is it Riley lying when the words came out of Boyd's mouth about the players poor training from the prior(Bo) regime?

You are wrong
In 2013 Oregon State threw for 372 per game and rushed for 94- I went most recent- that was the first one that popped up- didnt look at all of them.
That is a .395-1 ratio passing yards to run- which I rounded up .05 to 4-1

The week Riley was hired I had no idea who he was and was trying to figure out what his coaching approach was, so I did some research. Rileys passing yards to running yards ratio was usually in the 2.5 to 1 area- may have even had a year or 2 over 4-1- cant remember. I think it averaged out in the 2.4 to 1 area. But his lowest was something like 1.5- 1

I looked at the passing yards to running yards ratio of the BIG Winners which IIRC was in the 1.2 to 1 area averaged out over 10 years.

In comparison UCF combined the last 2 years is 1.6-1 and when SF was OC at Oregon his last 2 years averaged out to be 1.1 to 1 passing yards to run yards. So a bit more than the BIG average at UCF- same as the BIG average at Oregon. While Rileys average numbers werent in the same galaxy. if we learned ANYTHING from Riley is- the past seems to predict the future.

Rileys version of the WCO is pass first and hes always looking for the smartest guy in the room x vs o NFL passing solution to the problem. His run game was so unimaginative and even the basic IZ and OZ stuff he wanted to run- they couldnt execute it worth a darn due to weak fundamentals and as it turns out- poor strength and conditioning.

 

[Big Red Menace]

This! That answers my main question.
And yes ... GBR!
We have a real coach

And a real AD!!

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

When did Riley ever have a pass to run ratio of 4-1 in his years at Oregon State? Yes, historically he passed more than he ran for the most part, but it was never 4-1.

Also, how is it Riley lying when the words came out of Boyd's mouth about the players poor training from the prior(Bo) regime?

Riley may not have been lying, but he certainly didn’t make a case for him being able to improve player development and conditioning.

 

[Lincoln100]

My favorite comment to date was his mention that T.O. would make him run extra at practice if he ran out of bounds in a game (as opposed to staying in and fighting for yards). Having that kind of attitude is going to win us a lot more games.

 

[Husker Sledge]

I think a great motivational tool would be coach Frost and Austin hanging up a huge poster of some "off-balance dancing bears" in the strength complex. Maybe that quote from a crappy Gopher team will light a fire under their ass! Let's get the Pipeline back!

 

[davecisar]

My favorite comment to date was his mention that T.O. would make him run extra at practice if he ran out of bounds in a game (as opposed to staying in and fighting for yards). Having that kind of attitude is going to win us a lot more games.

AND that paid off in games- Imagine that- practice the right thing and having a physical aggressive mindset=translates to game behaivor
If you watch any of those 97 games closely- Frost was an absolute BEAST

 

[kaz36]

You are wrong
In 2013 Oregon State threw for 372 per game and rushed for 94- I went most recent- that was the first one that popped up- didnt look at all of them.
That is a .395-1 ratio passing yards to run- which I rounded up .05 to 4-1

The week Riley was hired I had no idea who he was and was trying to figure out what his coaching approach was, so I did some research. Rileys passing yards to running yards ratio was usually in the 2.5 to 1 area- may have even had a year or 2 over 4-1- cant remember. I think it averaged out in the 2.4 to 1 area. But his lowest was something like 1.5- 1

I looked at the passing yards to running yards ratio of the BIG Winners which IIRC was in the 1.2 to 1 area averaged out over 10 years.

In comparison UCF combined the last 2 years is 1.6-1 and when SF was OC at Oregon his last 2 years averaged out to be 1.1 to 1 passing yards to run yards. So a bit more than the BIG average at UCF- same as the BIG average at Oregon. While Rileys average numbers werent in the same galaxy. if we learned ANYTHING from Riley is- the past seems to predict the future.

Rileys version of the WCO is pass first and hes always looking for the smartest guy in the room x vs o NFL passing solution to the problem. His run game was so unimaginative and even the basic IZ and OZ stuff he wanted to run- they couldnt execute it worth a darn due to weak fundamentals and as it turns out- poor strength and conditioning.

My bad. When I saw you put pass:run ratio, I missed where you put yards in your OP. Most of the time when you see pass:run ratio, it is for number of plays and not yards.

And if you are the great coach that you want us to think you are, then you absolutely knew who Mike Riley was. I was concerned as hell and im just a casual fan. You would have to be living under a rock to not know who he was. Now if you didn't know what his coaching style or philosophies were, then that is understandable, but to say you had no idea who he was is laughable.

 

[davecisar]

My bad. When I saw you put pass:run ratio, I missed where you put yards in your OP. Most of the time when you see pass:run ratio, it is for number of plays and not yards.

And if you are the great coach that you want us to think you are, then you absolutely knew who Mike Riley was. I was concerned as hell and im just a casual fan. You would have to be living under a rock to not know who he was. Now if you didn't know what his coaching style or philosophies were, then that is understandable, but to say you had no idea who he was is laughable.

Sorry- I follow college football closely but I never followed a .500 OSU team with the exception of the year Erickson coached them- when they went 11-1 and were one play away from a National Title game-and I dont care at all for the NFL.

Any thoughts on the rest of the stats- why Riley had no chance to succeed here from the jump? Based on those numbers- Frost at least has a chance.

My 4-1 yards ratio was correct- you were wrong. Results matter- the games- yards=Move past it

 

[timnsun]

Sorry- I follow college football closely but I never followed a .500 OSU team with the exception of the year Erickson coached them- when they went 11-1 and were one play away from a National Title game-and I dont care at all for the NFL.

Any thoughts on the rest of the stats- why Riley had no chance to succeed here from the jump? Based on those numbers- Frost at least has a chance.

My 4-1 yards ratio was correct- you were wrong. Results matter- the games- yards=Move past it

Yeah, move past it Kaz... you need to get behind frost, which you clearly aren’t doing judging by your argument here with Dave.

 

[kaz36]

Sorry- I follow college football closely but I never followed a .500 OSU team with the exception of the year Erickson coached them- when they went 11-1 and were one play away from a National Title game-and I dont care at all for the NFL.

Any thoughts on the rest of the stats- why Riley had no chance to succeed here from the jump? Based on those numbers- Frost at least has a chance.

My 4-1 yards ratio was correct- you were wrong. Results matter- the games- yards=Move past it

I think Riley failed here because he had the complete wrong approach. He was here because he was the polar opposite of Pelini. Players never bought into what he wanted to do. I think they really liked Riley, but wouldn't go to war with him. They saw him as the nice guy who lived down the street, but laughed at him behind his back because they were stealing him blind behind his back. He spoke of wanting us to be physical, but we were as soft as we ever have been physically and mentally. The real measure of a coach is getting players to buy in to what your vision is as a coach and he simply didn't do that.

Edit: and I still call B.S. on you not knowing who Mike Riley was since you follow college football closely. Like i said, even a casual fan like me was aware of who he was. Just had to dig a little further into what kind of coach he was and it scared the hell out of me. All I had was a hope that he would be a fit here. Didn't happen.

 

[timnsun]

@davecisar, you keep calling Riley a liar about running the ball, which I don’t get. His first 2 years he he ran the ball more than he passed. 170 more runs than passes over those 2 years. The first 2 games of this past season, Bryant had over 300 yards rushing, but when he got injured, our rushing game disappeared, which happens sometimes when you lose your stud RB. Our running game went away and we had to pass. This year was more pass than run, not only because of the injury to Bryant, but also because Lee was supposed to be a better passer.

But you need your accusation to stick so you go with yards gained, and since we gained more yards passing, he was a pass first guy here. How disingenuous is that?

 

[davecisar]

I think Riley failed here because he had the complete wrong approach. He was here because he was the polar opposite of Pelini. Players never bought into what he wanted to do. I think they really liked Riley, but wouldn't go to war with him. They saw him as the nice guy who lived down the street, but laughed at him behind his back because they were stealing him blind behind his back. He spoke of wanting us to be physical, but we were as soft as we ever have been physically and mentally. The real measure of a coach is getting players to buy in to what your vision is as a coach and he simply didn't do that.

Yep, mostly true
You cant blame the players- they are doing what most kids do in DI ball. They do what they are asked to do- and they seem to become a bit of what the coaching staff is. MR has never had a physical, hard nosed (mentally and physically) team what wanted to run the ball- which you need to win in the BIG> He either lied to us about wanting to or didnt know how to make a physical team that could run the ball- I think it was a lot of both.

 

[davecisar]

@davecisar, you keep calling Riley a liar about running the ball, which I don’t get. His first 2 years he he ran the ball more than he passed. 170 more runs than passes over those 2 years. The first 2 games of this past season, Bryant had over 300 yards rushing, but when he got injured, our rushing game disappeared, which happens sometimes when you lose your stud RB. Our running game went away and we had to pass. This year was more pass than run, not only because of the injury to Bryant, but also because Lee was supposed to be a better passer.

But you need your accusation to stick so you go with yards gained, and since we gained more yards passing, he was a pass first guy here. How disingenuous is that?

Yards is what matters- you know the results thing

Riley FINALLY had what he wanted in year 3 right ??
We were TOLD this would be Rileys offense= this is it- over and over and over again- they couldnt wait to roll out what they ALWAYS WANTED
He has the QB, the 3+ years of practices- the receivers- 4 of his backs- OZ, Bryant, Wilbon, Bradley, this is it
Well you saw what it was- pass, pass, pass. Weak running game

BTW BEFORE this season we DID see a LITTLE bit of other stuff- WHAM, POWER O, even a trap or two, a handful designed QB draws, Zone reads, QB counters and even SW sweeps. NU was arguably BETTER with this stuff- 7.5 AVERAGE WINS VS 4 wins with HIS offense.

The running game last year showed VERY LITTLE ingenuity, It looked like an afterthought. Run it on first down- then the obligatory incomplete pass, then the 6 yard completion on 3rd and 7. Yes, this team had to lead the nation in pass plays completed just short of the sticks.

This year pretty much IZ, OZ a jet sweep, then IZ or OZ under a Jet fake. ONE game they ran a bunch of Power O scheme. Rest of the season- not so much. This is who MR was- in spite of him saying over and over that he wanted to be physical and run the ball. This is who he was at OSU and in the NFL- when he had the kids he wanted- this is what he wanted NU to be in spite of what he was saying.

 

[timnsun]

Yards is what matters- you know the results thing

Riley FINALLY had what he wanted in year 3 right ??
We were TOLD this would be Rileys offense= this is it- over and over and over again
He has the QB, the 3+ years of practices- the receivers- 4 of his backs- OZ, Bryant, Wilbon, Bradley, this is it
Well you saw what it was- pass, pass, pass. Weak running game

BTW BEFORE this season we DID see a LITTLE bit of other stuff- WHAM, POWER O, even a trap or two, a handful designed QB draws, Zone reads, QB counters and even SW sweeps. NU was arguably BETTER with this stuff- 7.5 AVERAGE WINS VS 4 wins with HIS offense.

The running game last year showed VERY LITTLE ingenuity, It looked like an afterthought. Run it on first down- then the obligatory incomplete pass, then the 6 yard completion on 3rd and 7. Yes, this team had to lead the nation in pass plays completed just short of the sticks.

This year pretty much IZ, OZ a jet sweep, then IZ or OZ under a Jet fake. ONE game they ran a bunch of Power O scheme. Rest of the season- not so much. This is who MR was- in spite of him saying over and over that he wanted to be physical and run the ball. This is who he was at OSU and in the NFL- when he had the kids he wanted- this is what he wanted NU to be in spite of what he was saying.

Most people (all), when talking about run versus pass, will actually use the number of runs per game versus the number of passes per game. That’s how you get a true understanding of run versus pass, not yards per game. Riley was not known for being simply a past first coach. He had years even at Oregon state where he ran the ball more than he passed. It depended on how good his running backs were and how bad his QBs were. I agree that he tended to throw the ball more than he ran, but the fact of the matter is, at Nebraska, his first two years here he ran more running plays than passing plays. You can’t get around that. Even after this year’s pass heavy offense, over three years Riley still ran the ball 70 more times then he threw. I’m not talking about yards gained, I’m talking about did he run the ball or pass the ball. You know, but most people do when trying to figure out if a coach runs the ball more or throws the ball more. Riley ran the ball more times then he threw it. Quit calling him a liar please.

 

[davecisar]

THIS LAST season is what RILEY ALWAYS WANTED TO DO
Correct or not????
Did he or did he not say that- we were finally going to see his offense?
yes or no??

This last year was right where his OSU teams historically averaged Pass Yards to Run Yards 2.58 - 1 RIGHT IN THE SWEET SPOT OF RILEYS HISTORICAL AVERAGE, HIS HISTORICAL AVERAGE, HIS HISTORICAL AVERAGE- Those are the cold and hard facts as unpleasant as they may be to some.

That is what he wanted, that is what we got
And that wasnt the same as what he was telling us- if that makes it easier to swallow.

 

[kaz36]

Good grief. Some people act like Riley murdered a family member or something. Same with Pelini and Callahan. They were all bad coaches in their own ways. It's ok. They are gone. They can't hurt us anymore. We have the staff we need here now hopefully. And so what if anyone supported any of those prior staffs? I don't know of anyone who isn't happy that Frost and Co. are here.

 

[timnsun]

THIS LAST season is what RILEY ALWAYS WANTED TO DO
Correct or not????
Did he or did he not say that- we were finally going to see his offense?
yes or no??

This last year was right where his OSU teams historically averaged Pass Yards to Run Yards 2.58 - 1 RIGHT IN THE SWEET SPOT OF RILEYS HISTORICAL AVERAGE, HIS HISTORICAL AVERAGE, HIS HISTORICAL AVERAGE- Those are the cold and hard facts as unpleasant as they may be to some.

That is what he wanted, that is what we got
And that wasnt the same as what he was telling us- if that makes it easier to swallow.

So to share some facts... when Riley has a good running back, he ran more than he threw. Look it up. This is fact, and it’s cold and hard.

2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 he ran more than he threw in those years. Why? Were fans clamoring for the run? I didn’t go back further... didn’t feel the need to. Add in 2015 and 2016 and that’s 6 of the last 12 years he ran more than passed. This is enough to show he tries to play to his offensive strengths. When Bryant went down, we had no run strength, and a QB who could throw. And you’re surprised he threw more knowing that our best RB was out?

This should be enough statistical evidence for you (facts don’t lie) to shut you up on the Riley lied to us crusade. His history says otherwise.

 

[davecisar]

So to share some facts... when Riley has a good running back, he ran more than he threw. Look it up. This is fact, and it’s cold and hard.

2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 he ran more than he threw in those years. Why? Were fans clamoring for the run? I didn’t go back further... didn’t feel the need to. Add in 2015 and 2016 and that’s 6 of the last 12 years he ran more than passed. This is enough to show he tries to play to his offensive strengths. When Bryant went down, we had no run strength, and a QB who could throw. And you’re surprised he threw more knowing that our best RB was out?

This should be enough statistical evidence for you (facts don’t lie) to shut you up on the Riley lied to us crusade. His history says otherwise.

NOT IN YARDS

Look at what it takes to WIN THE BIG
1.2 to 1 on average YARDS passing to YARDS running
Riley AVERAGED in the 2.5 area at OSU
NU was at 2.5 last year- THIS IS WHO HE WILL ALWAYS BE
Yes there are some fluxuations like anywhere- but the averages are who he is

For crying out loud there is a reason he was a 500 coach and a 500 coach here- his approach doesnt work and will never work in the BIG. YOu backed a horse that never had a chance of winning- it's OK, doesnt make you a bad person- you made a mistake- move on. YOu didnt choose well- you didnt analyze data well- maybe didnt know enough about the game etc- but defending him now just makes it worse. .