My favorite quotes from Coach Frost yesterday

[scarletred]

Riley couldn’t run the ball because our line was weak and not very aggressive..

He had no choice but to throw the ball more because we were usually behind the Chains...

Eichorst didn’t do his home work on what kind of Coach Riley was.. It all started with his decision to hire Riley.

 

[davecisar]

Riley couldn’t run the ball because our line was weak and not very aggressive..

He had no choice but to throw the ball more because we were usually behind the Chains...

Eichorst didn’t do his home work on what kind of Coach Riley was.. It all started with his decision to hire Riley.

Scarlet

Was Riley known for good OIine play and good running game?
How about a creative run game other than IZ/OZ?
Nope- he was an NFL pass is the answer, run is an afterthought guy.

Yes Riley was the easy hire- you are right
Peterson tried chasing down a bunch of different guys- got a lot of nos

Asking Riley to coach is like asking one of the ugliest girls at the dance, to dance. Yep, she's definitely going say yes and dance with you, but she's still ugly no matter how you or others tell you she really isnt

 

[timnsun]

NOT IN YARDS

Look at what it takes to WIN THE BIG
1.2 to 1 on average YARDS passing to YARDS running
Riley AVERAGED in the 2.5 area at OSU
NU was at 2.5 last year- THIS IS WHO HE WILL ALWAYS BE
Yes there are some fluxuations like anywhere- but the averages are who he is

For crying out loud there is a reason he was a 500 coach and a 500 coach here- his approach doesnt work and will never work in the BIG. YOu backed a horse that never had a chance of winning- it's OK, doesnt make you a bad person- you made a mistake- move on. YOu didnt choose well- you didnt analyze data well- maybe didnt know enough about the game etc- but defending him now just makes it worse. .

Think about it. If you run the ball more than you throw it, you are trying to establish a run game. If the running game doesn’t show results, even though you tried to establish a run game, does that mean you are pass first? You realize how ridiculous this sounds? There’s a reason people use actual plays to compare run pass ratio. Even Kaz was confused initially. Why? Because you used a metric to support your point of view. But it isn’t the normal metric people use when determining if a coach is running the ball more. You’re mentioning averages... over the last 12 years he ran the ball more than he threw 50% of the time. How does that support that he is pass happy?

My defense of Riley here is simply this. Calling him a liar is disingenuous at best, and a downright lie at worst. Are you being disingenuous or are you a liar?

 

[timnsun]

@davecisar, you also say it’s ok for backing Riley, move on, and yet you continue to insult the intelligence every chance you get of Riley backers. Maybe if you moved on, others would as well.

 

[davecisar]

Think about it. If you run the ball more than you throw it, you are trying to establish a run game. If the running game doesn’t show results, even though you tried to establish a run game, does that mean you are pass first? You realize how ridiculous this sounds? There’s a reason people use actual plays to compare run pass ratio. Even Kaz was confused initially. Why? Because you used a metric to support your point of view. But it isn’t the normal metric people use when determining if a coach is running the ball more. You’re mentioning averages... over the last 12 years he ran the ball more than he threw 50% of the time. How does that support that he is pass happy?

My defense of Riley here is simply this. Calling him a liar is disingenuous at best, and a downright lie at worst. Are you being disingenuous or are you a liar?

50/50 in the BIG means your run YARDS are near your passes
You HAVE to be reasonably good at both to win it
There havent really been any big outliers even 1.2 to 1 is IT

TO get to 1.2 to 1 you have to RUN more times than you PASS because the RYPP, is lower than the PYPP to be PASS happy means you PASS more than the Norm. Rileys past says he had no chance the way he coached- that he would never win anything here

AND HE DIDNT Case closed

 

[timnsun]

Said my piece. I’m out of this one.

 

[davecisar]

@davecisar, you also say it’s ok for backing Riley, move on, and yet you continue to insult the intelligence every chance you get of Riley backers. Maybe if you moved on, others would as well.

Everytime you defend him- you remind everyone he was the horse you aggressively backed- which reflects on your football knowledge and ability to proccess data- so keep on

 

[B1G RED RULES]

So to share some facts... when Riley has a good running back, he ran more than he threw. Look it up. This is fact, and it’s cold and hard.

2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 he ran more than he threw in those years. Why? Were fans clamoring for the run? I didn’t go back further... didn’t feel the need to. Add in 2015 and 2016 and that’s 6 of the last 12 years he ran more than passed. This is enough to show he tries to play to his offensive strengths. When Bryant went down, we had no run strength, and a QB who could throw. And you’re surprised he threw more knowing that our best RB was out?

This should be enough statistical evidence for you (facts don’t lie) to shut you up on the Riley lied to us crusade. His history says otherwise.

It really doesn’t matter - Riley is a loser as a coach. He is still overpaid at 50 grand, but it’s much more representative of his value.

 

[TrueBigRedFan]

Not sure, but I'll take SF's analysis of the situation over ours. Do you think he is lying? He really hammered previous regimes yesterday from health/diet, to roster management, to attitude, to practice, to the walk-on program to the state of the program in general. We have evidence of workouts needing to be run at a reduced level (80%). We have a 4-8 record. We have tape of the first 3 games last year clearly showing a team not physically up to it. We have former coaches/players telling us how bad things were but many discounting what they said.

Do you think he is lying?

I don't think Scott Frost and that question go together.

 

[Husker1078]

Think about it. If you run the ball more than you throw it, you are trying to establish a run game. If the running game doesn’t show results, even though you tried to establish a run game, does that mean you are pass first? You realize how ridiculous this sounds? There’s a reason people use actual plays to compare run pass ratio. Even Kaz was confused initially. Why? Because you used a metric to support your point of view. But it isn’t the normal metric people use when determining if a coach is running the ball more. You’re mentioning averages... over the last 12 years he ran the ball more than he threw 50% of the time. How does that support that he is pass happy?

My defense of Riley here is simply this. Calling him a liar is disingenuous at best, and a downright lie at worst. Are you being disingenuous or are you a liar?

Pass / Rush

2017= 459 / 368 (44%)
2016= 400 / 523 (56%)
2015= 458 / 496 (51%)

2014= 472 / 376 (44%)
2013= 625 / 355 (36%)
2012= 504 / 442 (46%)
2011= 503 / 318 (38%)
2010= 375 / 384 (50%)
2009= 478 / 440 (47%)
2008= 448 / 487 (52%)
2007= 438 / 541 (55%)
2006= 425 / 474 (52%)
2005= 459 / 415 (47%)
2004= 532 / 378 (41%)
2003= 533 / 520 (49%)

In the 12 seasons prior to coming to Nebraska Riley only ran the ball more than he passed 4 times.... 2015/2016 the number of rushing attempts went up... but why wouldn't it when you modify the system to a running QB??? The QB accounted for nearly 25% of the rushes in the 2 years combined... 2017...when Riley got "his guy" and he ran "his offense" the numbers resemble those of his time at OSU....

 

[timnsun]

Pass / Rush

2017= 459 / 368 (44%)
2016= 400 / 523 (56%)
2015= 458 / 496 (51%)

2014= 472 / 376 (44%)
2013= 625 / 355 (36%)
2012= 504 / 442 (46%)
2011= 503 / 318 (38%)
2010= 375 / 384 (50%)
2009= 478 / 440 (47%)
2008= 448 / 487 (52%)
2007= 438 / 541 (55%)
2006= 425 / 474 (52%)
2005= 459 / 415 (47%)
2004= 532 / 378 (41%)
2003= 533 / 520 (49%)

In the 12 seasons prior to coming to Nebraska Riley only ran the ball more than he passed 4 times.... 2015/2016 the number of rushing attempts went up... but why wouldn't it when you modify the system to a running QB??? The QB accounted for nearly 25% of the rushes in the 2 years combined... 2017...when Riley got "his guy" and he ran "his offense" the numbers resemble those of his time at OSU....

6 of the last 12 includes at Nebraska. I thought that was clear.

 

[Husker1078]

6 of the last 12 includes at Nebraska. I thought that was clear.

Crystal....

I chose to look back to 03...Shows the whole body of work after he returned from the league to HC at OSU....

But still in the 12 years you chose to look at he still only ran the ball 48% of the time... 2015/2016 skews the numbers you like because for the last several years prior he was dipping well under 40-45%

And just to see his other years as HC at the college level...

1997 47%
1998 44%

 

[timnsun]

Crystal....

I chose to look back to 03...Shows the whole body of work after he returned from the league to HC at OSU....

But still in the 12 years you chose to look at he still only ran the ball 48% of the time... 2015/2016 skews the numbers you like because for the last several years prior he was dipping well under 40-45%

And just to see his other years as HC at the college level...

1997 47%
1998 44%

Let me ask you... did Riley lie about running the ball more? Dave has called Riley flat out a liar in no fewer than 5 different threads... is that fair? That’s all I’m getting at. I believe 12 years is plenty of years to go back, considering they were his last 12 years. Does Riley deserve to be called a liar because he passed more than he ran this year? Especially considering the injury to Bryant?

 

[davecisar]

Pass / Rush

2017= 459 / 368 (44%)
2016= 400 / 523 (56%)
2015= 458 / 496 (51%)

2014= 472 / 376 (44%)
2013= 625 / 355 (36%)
2012= 504 / 442 (46%)
2011= 503 / 318 (38%)
2010= 375 / 384 (50%)
2009= 478 / 440 (47%)
2008= 448 / 487 (52%)
2007= 438 / 541 (55%)
2006= 425 / 474 (52%)
2005= 459 / 415 (47%)
2004= 532 / 378 (41%)
2003= 533 / 520 (49%)

In the 12 seasons prior to coming to Nebraska Riley only ran the ball more than he passed 4 times.... 2015/2016 the number of rushing attempts went up... but why wouldn't it when you modify the system to a running QB??? The QB accounted for nearly 25% of the rushes in the 2 years combined... 2017...when Riley got "his guy" and he ran "his offense" the numbers resemble those of his time at OSU....

Well done
That is what I tried to explain
Year 3 everyone was so excited
We were FINALLY going to see Rileys offense

WE DID
That was his historical norm

AGAIN- when announcers talk about being BALANCED they talk about net yards- NOT attempts

Rileys first 2 years at NU he ran what he didnt want to run because he didnt have the QB he wanted= hence more runs. When he DID have the QB he wanted- look where he ended up = AT HIS HISTORICAL NORM and right in his sweet spot- 4 wins

 

[bshirt73]

Well done
That is what I tried to explain
Year 3 everyone was so excited
We were FINALLY going to see Rileys offense

WE DID
That was his historical norm

AGAIN- when announcers talk about being BALANCED they talk about net yards- NOT attempts

Rileys first 2 years at NU he ran what he didnt want to run because he didnt have the QB he wanted= hence more runs. When he DID have the QB he wanted- look where he ended up = AT HIS HISTORICAL NORM and right in his sweet spot- 4 wins

We were damn lucky to get four wins last year. If MR was still here we'd be EXTREMELY lucky to win two or three games next year. I'm going to miss his fluff-ball like another hole in my head.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Oh I agree with everything you just said. I am mainly curious about Epley and what his role or non role was in the previous regime.

I think that Boyd was nodding his head and being a good soldier. Most of us would do the same.

 

[timnsun]

I give up. Riley’s a damn liar. Let him be cursed.

 

[Phillipe]

@davecisar, you also say it’s ok for backing Riley, move on, and yet you continue to insult the intelligence every chance you get of Riley backers. Maybe if you moved on, others would as well.

This is an amusing conversation. I think you are right. Run pass ration generally refers to attempts. I don't know how many rushing attempts the first two years were undesigned scrambles by TA, but I really don't care.

I think the real gripe is with as you stated his attempt to "insult the intelligence...of Riley backers."

I'm guilty of that. But, how can you not?

 

[timnsun]

This is an amusing conversation. I think you are right. Run pass ration generally refers to attempts. I don't know how many rushing attempts the first two years were undesigned scrambles by TA, but I really don't care.

I think the real gripe is with as you stated his attempt to "insult the intelligence...of Riley backers."

I'm guilty of that. But, how can you not?

Appreciate your transparency. I outlined in another thread my thought process that brought me to a place of support for Riley. It wasn’t an instant arrival, but after researching some things, I wanted to believe it to be possible for Riley to have success here, and got behind him lock, stock and barrel. That’s the curse of being an optimist. Seeing the potential with far better resources than he had had before, not what had already been.

 

[Phillipe]

Appreciate your transparency. I outlined in another thread my thought process that brought me to a place of support for Riley. It wasn’t an instant arrival, but after researching some things, I wanted to believe it to be possible for Riley to have success here, and got behind him lock, stock and barrel. That’s the curse of being an optimist. Seeing the potential with far better resources than he had had before, not what had already been.

You seem like a good guy. And I'm an asshole, so I apologize for my past and future insults towards Riley supporters.

 

[barney44]

Really wish the Riley supporter, Blo supporter, etc. crap would just disappear. We're all Husker fans at the end of the day and want the same thing.

We badly need some good football in Lincoln again..

 

[timnsun]

You seem like a good guy. And I'm an asshole, so I apologize for my past and future insults towards Riley supporters.

Thanks, and no worries... after one of our arguments back and forth, I came to understand better where you were coming from, and it was genuine. You may be an Ahole, but I have no gripe with you.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Really wish the Riley supporter, Blo supporter, etc. crap would just disappear. We're all Husker fans at the end of the day and want the same thing.

We badly need some good football in Lincoln again..

I disagree, Riley supporters and Blo supporters are not husker fans...they are Riley and Blo fans. Riley was the wrong choice the moment he stepped to the podium, Blo became the wrong choice once his assistants left him high and dry starting in 2011. We paid nearly 40 million to those two men, they don't need support from fans, they needed to win. And they didn't. The only husker fans are those that are fans of good football, if we lose under Frost but play decent football then it is acceptable for a while...we need to stop picking "our guy" and instead pick the N on the helmet. All these players and coaches will be long gone, while most of us are still supporting the program.

 

[barney44]

I disagree, Riley supporters and Blo supporters are not husker fans...they are Riley and Blo fans. Riley was the wrong choice the moment he stepped to the podium, Blo became the wrong choice once his assistants left him high and dry starting in 2011. We paid nearly 40 million to those two men, they don't need support from fans, they needed to win. And they didn't. The only husker fans are those that are fans of good football, if we lose under Frost but play decent football then it is acceptable for a while...we need to stop picking "our guy" and instead pick the N on the helmet. All these players and coaches will be long gone, while most of us are still supporting the program.

I'm pretty sure Tuco or whoever is labeled as a Riley supporter would be happy if we won a national title without Riley at the helm. Some people were just a little too supportive but that doesn't make them any less of a fan.

 

[timnsun]

I disagree, Riley supporters and Blo supporters are not husker fans...they are Riley and Blo fans. Riley was the wrong choice the moment he stepped to the podium, Blo became the wrong choice once his assistants left him high and dry starting in 2011. We paid nearly 40 million to those two men, they don't need support from fans, they needed to win. And they didn't. The only husker fans are those that are fans of good football, if we lose under Frost but play decent football then it is acceptable for a while...we need to stop picking "our guy" and instead pick the N on the helmet. All these players and coaches will be long gone, while most of us are still supporting the program.

Except that if Frost wasn’t the guy hired, this board would have been in meltdown mode, so I think you might be overstating it a tad.

And by the way, supporting Riley made me not a fan of Husker football? Wow...