Multiple terrorist attacks in France

[jflores]

Lets see, how did the that last war work out? Seems it went fairly well and things were fairly stable until our coward in chief and his allies decided that we had to prematurely leave the conflict. There were a lot of military people as well as statesmen who predicted that the US leaving would destabilize Iraq and they were completely right.
Did we get em all? No but we were doing much better then than we are now. At least we had boots on the ground and a motivated force willing to try.
Terrorism over yet? Nope but our current strategy of pretending like it doesn't exist or that we can somehow control it with airstrikes and drones is ridiculous.
Our kids are still over there but in insufficient numbers to make any difference and our kind hearted liberals aren't willing to let us fight to win. We have to fight with one arm behind our backs because we need to fight a kinder, gentler war without injuring the innocents these cowards hide behind!

I'll be honest. These men were not Nostradamus. They knew what the answer was because anyone who had been involved in the wars could see that the US was the only force capable of bringing some semblance of peace. All the crap about how well we built up governance and local military power and a hand off plan was a bunch of BS fed to the public about how well it was going. Which is why you had John McCain be perfectly honest, if you want a stable middle east, then you are arguing for a never ending occupation by your sons and daughters.

It wasn't hard to see that when President Bush signed the withdrawal agreement before he left office that Iraq wasn't going to last long. The govt we were protecting in Iraq was actively involved in ethnic cleansing, if you don't have leadership at the top, you don't have it anywhere.

 

[newAD]

Apparently you missed the front page of the news just 24 hours ago when ISIS said they were coming after Russia.

Russia don't play, but it has bought them little or no deterrence. They didn't even do as well as we did in Afghanistan, and they had no scruples about killing women and maiming children killing some million innocents.

I'd say that was potentially clear when their plane went down days ago.

 

[jflores]

I'd say that was potentially clear when their plane went down days ago.

That too.

 

[Huskerlife39]

I'll be honest. These men were not Nostradamus. They knew what the answer was because anyone who had been involved in the wars could see that the US was the only force capable of bringing some semblance of peace. All the crap about how well we built up governance and local military power and a hand off plan was a bunch of BS fed to the public about how well it was going. Which is why you had John McCain be perfectly honest, if you want a stable middle east, then you are arguing for a never ending occupation by your sons and daughters.

It wasn't hard to see that when President Bush signed the withdrawal agreement before he left office that Iraq wasn't going to last long. The govt we were protecting in Iraq was actively involved in ethnic cleansing, if you don't have leadership at the top, you don't have it anywhere.

I agree that it was obvious what was going to happen but I don't believe you can blame Bush for it. There was tremendous pressure for him to withdraw the troops. If I remember correctly his popularity was in the 20s or 30s according to the media at the time.
Anyone who thought we could get away without an occupation of decades was naive based on what we had seen in Europe after WW2 (yes I know the situations are different). We likewise should have been more involved in the governance of the country. Perhaps a US led interim government (3-5 years) before we let the Iraqi's take control.

 

[jflores]

I agree that it was obvious what was going to happen but I don't believe you can blame Bush for it. There was tremendous pressure for him to withdraw the troops. If I remember correctly his popularity was in the 20s or 30s according to the media at the time.
Anyone who thought we could get away without an occupation of decades was naive based on what we had seen in Europe after WW2 (yes I know the situations are different). We likewise should have been more involved in the governance of the country. Perhaps a US led interim government (3-5 years) before we let the Iraqi's take control.

I'm not blaming him, I'm just stating the history.

I'm not really for the eternal war, and if its going to fall apart when we pull out, might as well get it over with. There was no reasonable "stick around" date where this all went well. In either country.

 

[jflores]

I agree that it was obvious what was going to happen but I don't believe you can blame Bush for it. There was tremendous pressure for him to withdraw the troops. If I remember correctly his popularity was in the 20s or 30s according to the media at the time.
Anyone who thought we could get away without an occupation of decades was naive based on what we had seen in Europe after WW2 (yes I know the situations are different). We likewise should have been more involved in the governance of the country. Perhaps a US led interim government (3-5 years) before we let the Iraqi's take control.

The wars were never sold in this manner. Afghanistan started out with no more objective than "I want that guys head in a bag". By our count at work, there was basically a new desired "end state" virtually every year of the war, if not more. Neither Bush nor Obama clearly defined the objective, although "get the hell out by XYZ date" from Obama is the closest we've come.

Iraq was sold as a conventional conflict against a rogue UN actor. Not a potential guerilla war. When the top generals said we'd need 400k dudes to occupy and pacify the country, they were promptly replaced with guys who came up with a war plan that matched the 90 days, 30 billion dollars, we'll be treated like liberators war plan that Cheney and Chalabi routinely talked up on cable news.

If the USG was going to be "real" with the public about a never ending occupation (or at least, on the order of decades), the wars would have never happened. Both were billed as short term, decisive actions, but both went awry.

 

[TruHusker]

This world would be a better place if there was no religion at all ...its all nonsense

Brillant response. True Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship.

 

[Huskerlife39]

I'm not blaming him, I'm just stating the history.

I'm not really for the eternal war, and if its going to fall apart when we pull out, might as well get it over with. There was no reasonable "stick around" date where this all went well. In either country.

No, I agree with you. We had just spent enough blood and treasure that it hurts to see it all go tits up!

 

[starbrown]

I for one am not going to blame Johnson/Nixon/Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush or even Hussein for what's going on.

The Middle East has been a tinder box for thousands of years. There is no answer to this problem other than this: If there are nuts driving around in Toyota pickups raping girls, beheading with a frickin knife, drilling holes into little boys heads and setting people on fire because it gives them a boner, ya have to kill them. I don't care if they're Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Athiests, Martians, etc. These sickos have jack-the-ripper syndrome and not one member of CONCERNEDSTUDENT1950 is gonna turn them into a kinder gentler terrorist.

Evil is like cancer. If you don't remove it from the body it just keeps growing.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Apparently you missed the front page of the news just 24 hours ago when ISIS said they were coming after Russia.

Russia don't play, but it has bought them little or no deterrence. They didn't even do as well as we did in Afghanistan, and they had no scruples about killing women and maiming children killing some million innocents.

I get what you are saying...but Putin will make that look like a day at the beach...that MFer has been through it on the other side...the "doing" side...not the ordering side...ISIS wants "revenge" on Russia for events that happened years ago...but they probably just pissed off a guy that has every resource possible at his disposal and the stones to use them. And yes, women, kids and innocent people will die. More will be torturted. But, "24 hours ago" when they said that he would pay the price...they ****ed up.

 

[newAD]

I get what you are saying...but Putin will make that look like a day at the beach...that MFer has been through it on the other side...the "doing" side...not the ordering side...ISIS wants "revenge" on Russia for events that happened years ago...but they probably just pissed off a guy that has every resource possible at his disposal and the stones to use them. And yes, women, kids and innocent people will die. More will be torturted. But, "24 hours ago" when they said that he would pay the price...they ****ed up.

Putin is the one world leader that it would not shock me if he has personally killed multiple people with his bare hands. You can tell by his body language that he feels Obama is a putz.

 

[headcard]

We will always be infidels to Moslems (I read somewhere they don't like to be called Moslem).

One American dies, I would kill 1,000 Moslems, man, woman or child.

This may be the worst thing that has ever been posted on this board.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Putin is the one world leader that it would not shock me if he has personally killed multiple people with his bare hands. You can tell by his body language that he feels Obama is a putz.

HAHA! This is awesome!

The guy was reported to be, on many levels, a super bad ass in his early days...again, if he personally killed or "hurt" a few dozen people in his time it would be a shock to no one. Hell, 15 years of his life seem to be about as secreative as when a girlfriend poops.

 

[jflores]

Putin is the one world leader that it would not shock me if he has personally killed multiple people with his bare hands. You can tell by his body language that he feels Obama is a putz.

HAHA! This is awesome!

The guy was reported to be, on many levels, a super bad ass in his early days...again, if he personally killed or "hurt" a few dozen people in his time it would be a shock to no one. Hell, 15 years of his life seem to be about as secreative as when a girlfriend poops.

Remember that you are the target of a Russian propaganda campaign, along with the rest of the world. Disinformation and strategic messaging are everywhere. Truth is not.

Putin is a former KGB guy with blood on his hands, and mano y mano he's certainly not afraid of a non-combatant like Obama in a physical altercation. But in general, Russia is more insecure than it lets on about its position in the world, and Putin is quite successful playing on his image as a once bad ass dude. That he may have once killed people with his bare hands also doesn't mean that translates well into making decisions well or negotiation among nations.

 

[jflores]

I get what you are saying...but Putin will make that look like a day at the beach...that MFer has been through it on the other side...the "doing" side...not the ordering side...ISIS wants "revenge" on Russia for events that happened years ago...but they probably just pissed off a guy that has every resource possible at his disposal and the stones to use them. And yes, women, kids and innocent people will die. More will be torturted. But, "24 hours ago" when they said that he would pay the price...they ****ed up.

We'll see what happens. Both the US and Russian forces are operating in extremely close proximity, and are fairly curtailed in that they aren't going to be just laying waste to anything they see because it only takes one mistake to cause major international grief among super powers. Imagine for a moment that Russia bombed a Delta operator or shot down one of our planes.

Russia wants to show its a big boy again capable of driving the bus and hopes to show up the US a little while doing it. They aren't looking to start WWIII.

 

[newAD]

Remember that you are the target of a Russian propaganda campaign, along with the rest of the world. Disinformation and strategic messaging are everywhere. Truth is not.

Putin is a former KGB guy with blood on his hands, and mano y mano he's certainly not afraid of a non-combatant like Obama in a physical altercation. But in general, Russia is more insecure than it lets on about its position in the world, and Putin is quite successful playing on his image as a once bad ass dude. That he may have once killed people with his bare hands also doesn't mean that translates well into making decisions well or negotiation among nations.

Agree totally. Can't trust anything he says, or any further than you cn throw him.

My thoughts.about him personally is just based on that I have a bit of a judo knowledge base, and he by all appearances knows what he is doing. Add to that KGB ezperience, and I wouldn't be shocked if he's a personal killer.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Remember that you are the target of a Russian propaganda campaign, along with the rest of the world. Disinformation and strategic messaging are everywhere. Truth is not.

Putin is a former KGB guy with blood on his hands, and mano y mano he's certainly not afraid of a non-combatant like Obama in a physical altercation. But in general, Russia is more insecure than it lets on about its position in the world, and Putin is quite successful playing on his image as a once bad ass dude. That he may have once killed people with his bare hands also doesn't mean that translates well into making decisions well or negotiation among nations.

I agree to a point.

But it also doesn't mean that it translates to making bad decisions.

You have an interesting outlook...pretty even it seems like.

 

[newAD]

We'll see what happens. Both the US and Russian forces are operating in extremely close proximity, and are fairly curtailed in that they aren't going to be just laying waste to anything they see because it only takes one mistake to cause major international grief among super powers. Imagine for a moment that Russia bombed a Delta operator or shot down one of our planes.

Russia wants to show its a big boy again capable of driving the bus and hopes to show up the US a little while doing it. They aren't looking to start WWIII.

If they were, they wouldn't have stopped where they did in Ukraine.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

We'll see what happens. Both the US and Russian forces are operating in extremely close proximity, and are fairly curtailed in that they aren't going to be just laying waste to anything they see because it only takes one mistake to cause major international grief among super powers. Imagine for a moment that Russia bombed a Delta operator or shot down one of our planes.

Russia wants to show its a big boy again capable of driving the bus and hopes to show up the US a little while doing it. They aren't looking to start WWIII.

Agreed...they wont and don't want to start WWIII...the good news is...they won't have to worry about that.

 

[jflores]

I agree to a point.

But it also doesn't mean that it translates to making bad decisions.

You have an interesting outlook...pretty even it seems like.

Its what they pay me for.

 

[newAD]

What scares me. I wouldn't bet my house, but I'd bet my car this was ISIS.

ISIS said they want to kill Omaha's most famous resident. Anyone think they aren't serious? Anyone think they'd come to Omaha and just do that?

 

[starbrown]

Right now these terrorist organizations don't have a nuclear device. But in less than 10 years Iran will. And instead of a coordinated attack in France where hundreds die or the WTC where thousands die . . . well, you get the picture. The UN security council better get their shit together or they'll go down as the greatest mass murderers in history.

 

[c2o]

We need to call people what they are.
Political correctness is out the F control.
Islamic terrorists.
Why does the POTUS refuse to use the term?

 

[mwulf]

We need to call people what they are.
Political correctness is out the F control.
Islamic terrorists.
Why does the POTUS refuse to use the term?

I would guess because you cant paint an entire group of people with a broad brush....we can....but he certainly cant

 

[Lincoln100]

So leave the people alone who want to kill anyone who's not like them. I'm sure if we did they'd leave everybody alone, stop destroying ancient relecs, and condemning everything that doesn't fit the way they think life is supposed to be lived.

These hardcores don't need a war to encourage them. All they need is the knowledge that people live in a way they don't approve. To them IF they give you a choice, it's convert or die. That's what the "Give Peace a Chance" group still doesn't get.

Most of us want to live. These radicals want to die, for that gives them a glorious afterlife. Kind of hard to negotiate with that.

I don't want war, but sometimes the other side doesn't care. The only difference is this time the war is against an idea, and that idea isnt going away any time soon. And it wont, because this is pretty much based on the interpretation of a verse in the Koran, that radicals use as justification to kill. We can't go rip that page out of all the Korans.

C'mon now, no need for any violence, I think we can just hug it out with a knuckle knock and its all good! Pull out our selfie sticks, get a group photo, and tweet it out! All the world will get it and unite in a happy hippie love embrace.

 

[jflores]

Right now these terrorist organizations don't have a nuclear device. But in less than 10 years Iran will. And instead of a coordinated attack in France where hundreds die or the WTC where thousands die . . . well, you get the picture. The UN security council better get their shit together or they'll go down as the greatest mass murderers in history.

Israel has been saying that Iran is "only a year away" for almost 12 years. They appear to be more bark than bite on Iran in the last decade or so.

Iran hovering around the "breakout point" as Israel has noted above, has been the norm and will seem to continue on. We're no less reliant on the good will of the Iranian govt than we were 10 years ago.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Blow em all up. It's us or them does anyone really still think it can end any other way? Naive.

 

[c2o]

I would guess because you cant paint an entire group of people with a broad brush....we can....but he certainly cant

Islamic terrorist is pretty specific.

 

[starbrown]

I would guess because you cant paint an entire group of people with a broad brush....we can....but he certainly cant

Ya know I'm not gonna argue with you. I believe you hold this opinion because you feel if we call them Islamic terrorists we'll just turn the good Muslims against us. And I can see rational thought behind that. But if the POTUS isn't going to use words like Islamofascism (I would but that's me) then he needs to assemble the worlds Muslim leaders on the front lawn of the white house and together publicly condemn these radicals claiming Allah as their spiritual guide.

The fact that Obama spends more time shaming Christians than Muslims is how myths grow up around him and why they persist. Obama has no one but himself to blame for his bad press.

 

[jflores]

Blow em all up. It's us or them does anyone really still think it can end any other way? Naive.

What's naive is not understanding the logistics of such. I'm all for aggressive action, but I do sympathize with the bosses in trying to figure out what to do with two or three countries or more worth of vaccuum when that place is cleared out.

Take just Syria for example. Suppose we send Delta and the Ranger Regiment in and wipe out ISIS. Do we ally with the FSA and wipe out Assad as well and have Iraq part II? Or do we just wipe out ISIS, hand Raqqa over to the FSA, and then let them and Assad go back to where the civil war left off?

 

[jflores]

Ya know I'm not gonna argue with you. I believe you hold this opinion because you feel if we call them Islamic terrorists we'll just turn the good Muslims against us. And I can see rational thought behind that. But if the POTUS isn't going to use words like Islamofascism (I would but that's me) then he needs to assemble the worlds Muslim leaders on the front lawn of the white house and together publicly condemn these radicals claiming Allah as their spiritual guide.

The fact that Obama spends more time shaming Christians than Muslims is how myths grow up around him and why they persist. Obama has no one but himself to blame for his bad press.

Like this?

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The list could go on. As you can see, about the only news outlet that routinely denies this happening and doesn't bother to report on this happening is probably Fox. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.

 

[Lincoln100]

Islamic terrorist is pretty specific.

Hey, not every Islamic terrorist is exactly the same! You bigot!!!!

 

[starbrown]

Israel has been saying that Iran is "only a year away" for almost 12 years. They appear to be more bark than bite on Iran in the last decade or so.

Iran hovering around the "breakout point" as Israel has noted above, has been the norm and will seem to continue on. We're no less reliant on the good will of the Iranian govt than we were 10 years ago.

All I know is that certain countries seem crazy enough to want to play with their nuclear toy. I remember in the 90s people laughing at the notion that North Korea could go nuclear. All I'm saying is lets keep the really big sticks outa the hands of the kids who like to torture kittens. Giving them 150 billion dollars doesn't seem prudent to me. I say we take that 150B and build a safespace dome over the Univ. of Missouri.

 

[huskerfan1414]

What's naive is not understanding the logistics of such. I'm all for aggressive action, but I do sympathize with the bosses in trying to figure out what to do with two or three countries or more worth of vaccuum when that place is cleared out.

Take just Syria for example. Suppose we send Delta and the Ranger Regiment in and wipe out ISIS. Do we ally with the FSA and wipe out Assad as well and have Iraq part II? Or do we just wipe out ISIS, hand Raqqa over to the FSA, and then let them and Assad go back to where the civil war left off?

You just proved my point....I don't think you read what I wrote literally. I meant it literally. Other methods won't work as shown by your hypotheticals. It will not end any other way. It's been going on for 800 years and is only getting worse. I'm not pc or compassionate but I'm afraid im right and the future will sadly prove it. There's no koombayaing out of this one. They want nothing but death and domination. Nothing more, nothing less. Our society can't or won't accept that because we don't understand it, but it's true.
Push the button. Or watch as these things keep happening until they have a button to push and eliminate us first.

 

[jflores]

Here's a partial list of Muslim condemnations against 9-11

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[starbrown]

Like this?

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Or this?

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The list could go on. As you can see, about the only news outlet that routinely denies this happening and doesn't bother to report on this happening is probably Fox. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.

Okay you win. Just one question. How come other religions can keep their nuts in check and Islam keeps having bad PR days?

 

[jflores]

You just proved my point....I don't think you read what I wrote literally. I meant it literally. Other methods won't work as shown by your hypotheticals. It will not end any other way. It's been going on for 800 years and is only getting worse. I'm not pc or compassionate but I'm afraid im right and the future will sadly prove it. There's no koombayaing out of this one. They want nothing but death and domination. Nothing more, nothing less. Our society can't or won't accept that because we don't understand it, but it's true.
Push the button. Or watch as these things keep happening until they have a button to push and eliminate us first.

This isn't grounded in reality.

This isn't 1954 and ISIS is not Soviet Russia. There's no existential threat. There were 3x as many firearm homicides in 2001 as people killed in the Towers and the Pentagon. There's been a handful of people die since, and they were USG employees and former service men on defense contractor payrolls.

We aren't Nazi Germany.

 

[jflores]

Okay you win. Just one question. How come other religions can keep their nuts in check and Islam keeps having bad PR days?

The Christian-Islam divide predates modern borders and notions of terrorism. That's really all that has to be said. No President or Congress is going to be dumb enough to try and do with nuclear fire what King Richard couldn't do with a couple hundred thousand swordsmen.

Even if you have a low opinion of the US spine, how many nukes have you seen Russia or China pop off in the ME? Russia has more problems with Islamic radicalism day to day than we do.

 

[mwulf]

Islamic terrorist is pretty specific.

I still think its a powder keg thats already been lit....there are millions of peaceful Muslims that need to start speaking up and denouncing these terrorists and I dont think its the perceived one in the White House. I am naive but I am still trying to figure out why our President has been brought up at all in regards to todays attacks in Paris.

 

[starbrown]

The Christian-Islam divide predates modern borders and notions of terrorism. That's really all that has to be said. No President or Congress is going to be dumb enough to try and do with nuclear fire what King Richard couldn't do with a couple hundred thousand swordsmen.

Even if you have a low opinion of the US spine, how many nukes have you seen Russia or China pop off in the ME? Russia has more problems with Islamic radicalism day to day than we do.

Maybe I'm misreading you or vice versa. I'm not saying I'm scared we are going to nuke them. I'm saying I'm scared they're gonna get their hands on a bomb and nuke us. Do you think that's crazy talk?

I mean I'm trying to be polite and not link videos of Muslims in cities around the world celebrating in the streets on 9-11-2001.