Those who achieve their goals regardless of someone else's timeline still achieve their goals.high achievers achieve lofty goals
those who set lofty goals and do not even come within a country mile of them are high underachievers
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Those who achieve their goals regardless of someone else's timeline still achieve their goals.high achievers achieve lofty goals
those who set lofty goals and do not even come within a country mile of them are high underachievers
“I have some optimism because they had an awful culture,” he said. “They weren’t strong. They weren’t in shape. The schemes were bad last year and they still went into the fourth quarter tied with Wisconsin. They should’ve won two or three more games.high achievers achieve lofty goals
those who set lofty goals and do not even come within a country mile of them are high underachievers
“I have some optimism because they had an awful culture,” he said. “They weren’t strong. They weren’t in shape. The schemes were bad last year and they still went into the fourth quarter tied with Wisconsin. They should’ve won two or three more games.
“But we’re nowhere near where we should be.”
Also from the same interview. Somehow you interpreted this as a guaranteed trip to Indianapolis. How?
Because those things are achieved quickly, right? Or is Nebraska trying to catch up with teams that were already beating them? What's your understanding?man that's depressing ... Frost took over what in reality by his words was a 6 or 7 win team and was able to play Wisconsin close into the 4th quarter - just needed a better culture, better strength and better schemes -- and turned into a 4-5 win team where we haven't been within a single score of Wisconsin in the 4th quarter
Failing to understand why you're losing, which is what you're doing, doesn't mean that you stop keeping score.
You and a few other posters have set arbitrary deadlines and baselines for success or failure that are pointless. Comparing Scott Frost to Mike Riley when their timelines are completely different is pointless. Saying that a coach under contract for six more years has to win 9-10 games this year or he's a failure is the exact opposite of what everyone in the program is demonstrating by giving him a recent contract extension, expanding facilities, and giving the head coach autonomy in his hires. It's also pointless.
A foundation for success is being painstakingly built for this program. It's going to be built brick by brick and it might take a little longer than you like, but it's happening.
Because those things are achieved quickly, right? Or is Nebraska trying to catch up with teams that were already beating them? What's your understanding?
You're not an idiot, you're just either not reading what I'm telling you or understanding it. I'm not restarting this conversation because we've covered this already - specifically why it's pointless to make comparisons to Mike Riley and why the product you see in year two isn't a finished product. Feel free to reread this thread at your leisure.I know this will be shocking ... but yes generally when a coach is fired the new coach is expected to start beating the teams that were beating them. Generally there is some improvement if the new coach is an upgrade. In year 2 we placed lower in the big ten than Mike Riley’s worse Nebraska team. 2nd to last in the West.
maybe I’m an idiot to think you could judge anything based on 2 years at a program.
Joe Namaths prediction ended up being right though.High achievers set lofty goals. If you interpreted his goal of competing for the division in year 2 as a Joe Namath-esque prediction that's your bad.
I'm giving him nothing. The University of Nebraska gave him a contract extension just a few months ago, however, and I am glad they did.Joe Namaths prediction ended up being right though.
I just don’t know where or in what industry one can have the amount of time some seem Frost needs to turn the program around. You act like it’s the hardest thing in the world to score touchdowns and to stop other teams from scoring touchdowns when one is in that line of work. You want to give him more time then Americans gives POTUS to improve our country.
Serious question. Are you on the spectrum? I’m not even joking hereI'm giving him nothing. The University of Nebraska gave him a contract extension just a few months ago, however, and I am glad they did.
I see you're at the ad hominem stage of the conversation. Does this sort of thing typically elicit the response you're looking for or are you going to eventually regress back to making uniformed football posts?Serious question. Are you on the spectrum? I’m not even joking here
Geeze come on. 2020 has an FCS school and Cincy to improve those stats. Both those teams are solid but if you think we should be shaking in our boots because of them or viewed as underdogs in that game, then we just have nothing to talk about.https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespu...ollege-football-10-hardest-2020-schedules/amp
Some analysts have Nebraska with the 5th toughest schedule in 2020.
That being said, I would agree that the schedule is tougher in 2021, but not by much.
2020/2021:
Combined win totals: 97/101
Ten-win teams: 6/5
Six-win or fewer teams: 4/3
Division winners: 4/2
Conference winners: 1/2
Playoff Teams: 1/2
This doesn't take into account the scheduling variations either. In 2021 Nebraska plays a neutral site game and one fewer true road game. It also gets a reprieve with an FCS opponent late in the year to split matchups with Michigan/Iowa and Wisconsin/Minnesota. In 2020 NU closes with aOSU/Penn State/Iowa/Wisconsin/Minnesota...each a team that won at least 10 games last year. Set your bar wherever you like, but be cognizant of the facts as well.
Geeze come on. 2020 has an FCS school and Cincy to improve those stats. Both those teams are solid but if you think we should be shaking in our boots because of them or viewed as underdogs in that game, then we just have nothing to talk about.
I appreciate your digging in and doing research but I highly believe in the saying there are 3 types of lies - lies, dam lies, and statistics. When you start weighing in SDSU or even Cincy, as issues to next years schedule in lieu of the OP, then yeah, I got nothing for you. When those two teams aid to make 2020 vs 2021 SOS look comparable. You do realize at best, SDSU is full of husker- walk on types right? Part of the reason we faired so poorly the last few years, right?
Geeze come on. 2020 has an FCS school and Cincy to improve those stats. Both those teams are solid but if you think we should be shaking in our boots because of them or viewed as underdogs in that game, then we just have nothing less to talk about.
I appreciate your digging in and doing research but I highly believe in the saying there are 3 types of lies - lies, dam lies, and statistics. When you start weighing in SDSU or even Cincy, as issues to next years schedule in lieu of the OP, then yeah, I got nothing for you. You do realize at best, SDSU is full of husker- walk on types right? Part of the reason we faired so poorly the last few years, right?
Soooo the real difference is 2 games? 2 games in ranking SOS is a major big deal in football.2021 has an FCS school and Buffalo. The real difference is OU instead of Central Michigan and Michigan State instead of Rutgers. Everything else is basically a push.
FYI, Cincinnati has won 11 games two years in a row and SDSU finished #5 in the FCS. Yes, Nebraska should beat them, but they're not going to step off the bus and beat anyone, that's just where the program is right now.
Yep, dangerous team if you disrespect the game and don’t take your opponent seriously.I don’t mean to piss you off because I think we take care of the coyotes without too much trouble.
But last year they did take Minnesota late in to the 4thQ before losing 28-21..
Personally, I don't care why you asked if I'm on the spectrum. It speaks to your character or lack thereof, not mine.Soooo the real difference is 2 games? 2 games in ranking SOS is a major big deal in football.
and the reason I seriously asked if you were on the spectrum is that it appears we have no grasp of an “understood”. Yes everything is contingent on if the team shows up. The days of just showing up are light years ago. They don’t happen anymore. This team can’t take anything for granted ever.
Soooo the real difference is 2 games? 2 games in ranking SOS is a major big deal in football.
and the reason I seriously asked if you were on the spectrum is that it appears we have no grasp of an “understood”. Yes everything is contingent on if the team shows up ready to actually play and focused. The days of just showing up are light years ago. They don’t happen anymore. This team can’t take anything for granted ever.
Sadly schedule sets context any time you aren't one of the best teams ever. The 2009 Huskers were our best team since 1998 but lost 4 games, the 2007 teams lost 7 games but played 8 top 40 offenses, and 3 teams who would eventually be in the top 5. Bos teams from 2012 to 2014 play historically weak schedules...rarely playing top 25 competition, thankfully because he only won 20% of his games against ranked opponents.....he took advantage and won 9 games. The 2021 team will be decent but will run into a plethora of built up programs. At this point Frosty isn't efficient with his talent and so I don't see us stealing games...it is what it is...we may have to break precedent and keep a mediocre coach around at astronomical prices to let him grow and develop.Read a post saying that there will be 30 juniors on the team next fall. Some have said that next fall will be brutal with "murder's row" to end the season and that 7-5 will be difficult to obtain.......
In 2021 there will be nearly 30 seniors and lots of talent from 2 or 3 above average recruiting classes in a row. Is 2021 the year we exceed expectations and become nationally relevant again?
2021 are we shooting for 11-1 and not settling for anything less than 9-3.....
I know some will ask to see what 2020 brings before any bold statements, but its the offseason, and I was curious what the schedule was for the year after "murder's row" (that I am not buying into).
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Aug. 28 vs Illinois Fighting IlliniAviva Stadium, Dublin, Ireland Time TBA ETTV TBA
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Failing to understand why you're losing, which is what you're doing, doesn't mean that you stop keeping score.
You and a few other posters have set arbitrary deadlines and baselines for success or failure that are pointless. Comparing Scott Frost to Mike Riley when their timelines are completely different is pointless. Saying that a coach under contract for six more years has to win 9-10 games this year or he's a failure is the exact opposite of what everyone in the program is demonstrating by giving him a recent contract extension, expanding facilities, and giving the head coach autonomy in his hires. It's also pointless.
A foundation for success is being painstakingly built for this program. It's going to be built brick by brick and it might take a little longer than you like, but it's happening.
The accelerated timeline is a fabrication - the man received a contract extension months ago.College football works like a startup, not a monastery. This isn't an isolated monolith guaranteed to succeed with the only ingredient being time. Frost has a short window to convince people to give up a their livelihood and opportunity at a more assured place and instead come to Nebraska, a place that has been a dumpster fire since these kids were 11. He has to sell the thing, which is why he sounds like he is sugar coating or blaming. He made 10 million to win 9 games...his marquee game saw 75% real attendance, with thousands not even coming in the stadium. He has had the worst possible start, he is -6 in 1 score games, has had terrible attrition and has lost most of his first recruiting class. He chose to take an astronomical salary and needs to be held accountable. He doesn't deserve 5 million and that number will haunt him as it has created an accelerated timetable. Frost has lead with arrogance...demanding a ridiculous salary, forcing his staff, and leading to attrition. He has been humbled but hasn't given any money back and has had to admit that two of his hirings were poor. 10 million to be humbled, and fire two of your prized staff members, and lose a recruiting class doesn't sound like brick building.
P.S: I am a Frost fan...I am also logical. Right now those two are not compatible.
That’s funny. I believe it was just this weekend you admitted to also predicting we’d compete for a division title last year.I didn't set any deadline -- our coach said year 2 and then watch out in year 3
personally I though it would take longer -- but the guy making 5 mill a year came off the top rope with year 2
That depends on who's doing the recruiting. And when. When we used to see our previous staffs scrambleThat’s why this staff needs a few more years of top recruiting. It’s not fair that other teams never have misses on recruits, but unfortunately that appears to be the hand that the Huskers have been dealt.
It was a 35 million contract...nobody was going to give him that AND let him keep a staff, 33% that has either left once or been fired after two years. He had leverage because MR was such a pathetic coach and we have the little wenus nebraska attitude that we can't do no better. We had to fire MR and he was the best out there, maybe, but 35 million with only two years experience and no movement on hiring better staff was a bad decision...he knows his guys were amateurs in some regards. Frost can sell his relationships with men, and the tightness of the staff, a staff that just had two members fired...a staff that allowed one guy to leave after year 1 and then brought him back once he was fired. Frost's relationships haven't panned out...he has had terrible attrition and his projects and reaches have nearly all failed...even his golden boy, the one he should have the greatest influence over, was overweight, played scared and wasn't held accountable. I am glad he has 7 years but I think we see Frosty gravitate towards the mean...he fell into a great situation at UCF, won a ton of close games, and had about 6 players better than anyone at NU...the opposite happened at Nu...no NFL players, he is -6 in close games, no leadership, and hubris has looked like arrogance instead of the confidence we saw at UCF...that is all based on record...if he doesn't win no amount of bricks are going to matter.The accelerated timeline is a fabrication - the man received a contract extension months ago.
The process and its warts are evident to the outsiders because all we see is the scoreboard and anyone who comes or goes, but watch the announcement for the expansion if you want to see how Frost is viewed within the program's administration, take note of the timing of the contract extension, note that two people who worked with Frost previously chose to rejoin his staff. It's been real work instead of the easy process most people hoped for, but it's still happening brick by painstaking brick.
And the contract was market value. Frost was the hottest commodity in the coaching world when Nebraska got him. If NU wasn't his alma mater, he doesn't agree to coach at Nebraska and someone else gives him $5M a year.
It was a 35 million contract...nobody was going to give him that AND let him keep a staff, 33% that has either left once or been fired after two years. He had leverage because MR was such a pathetic coach and we have the little wenus nebraska attitude that we can't do no better. We had to fire MR and he was the best out there, maybe, but 35 million with only two years experience and no movement on hiring better staff was a bad decision...he knows his guys were amateurs in some regards. Frost can sell his relationships with men, and the tightness of the staff, a staff that just had two members fired...a staff that allowed one guy to leave after year 1 and then brought him back once he was fired. Frost's relationships haven't panned out...he has had terrible attrition and his projects and reaches have nearly all failed...even his golden boy, the one he should have the greatest influence over, was overweight, played scared and wasn't held accountable. I am glad he has 7 years but I think we see Frosty gravitate towards the mean...he fell into a great situation at UCF, won a ton of close games, and had about 6 players better than anyone at NU...the opposite happened at Nu...no NFL players, he is -6 in close games, no leadership, and hubris has looked like arrogance instead of the confidence we saw at UCF...that is all based on record...if he doesn't win no amount of bricks are going to matter.
PS: My feeling is Frosty is actually building something...he will move on within 6 years with little success...but his successor will take over a program in a really healthy place, and might win right away with the infusion of energy and talent that a new coach often brings.
And then reality hit. So, coach Fish is a bum? Held hasnt done anything? Verdu doesnt have a multi decade record of getting his qbs tops?It was a 35 million contract...nobody was going to give him that AND let him keep a staff, 33% that has either left once or been fired after two years. He had leverage because MR was such a pathetic coach and we have the little wenus nebraska attitude that we can't do no better. We had to fire MR and he was the best out there, maybe, but 35 million with only two years experience and no movement on hiring better staff was a bad decision...he knows his guys were amateurs in some regards. Frost can sell his relationships with men, and the tightness of the staff, a staff that just had two members fired...a staff that allowed one guy to leave after year 1 and then brought him back once he was fired. Frost's relationships haven't panned out...he has had terrible attrition and his projects and reaches have nearly all failed...even his golden boy, the one he should have the greatest influence over, was overweight, played scared and wasn't held accountable. I am glad he has 7 years but I think we see Frosty gravitate towards the mean...he fell into a great situation at UCF, won a ton of close games, and had about 6 players better than anyone at NU...the opposite happened at Nu...no NFL players, he is -6 in close games, no leadership, and hubris has looked like arrogance instead of the confidence we saw at UCF...that is all based on record...if he doesn't win no amount of bricks are going to matter.
PS: My feeling is Frosty is actually building something...he will move on within 6 years with little success...but his successor will take over a program in a really healthy place, and might win right away with the infusion of energy and talent that a new coach often brings.
I'm not going to respond to all of your ramble, but if you think Frost is moving on within 6 years with little success, you're baked.It was a 35 million contract...nobody was going to give him that AND let him keep a staff, 33% that has either left once or been fired after two years. He had leverage because MR was such a pathetic coach and we have the little wenus nebraska attitude that we can't do no better. We had to fire MR and he was the best out there, maybe, but 35 million with only two years experience and no movement on hiring better staff was a bad decision...he knows his guys were amateurs in some regards. Frost can sell his relationships with men, and the tightness of the staff, a staff that just had two members fired...a staff that allowed one guy to leave after year 1 and then brought him back once he was fired. Frost's relationships haven't panned out...he has had terrible attrition and his projects and reaches have nearly all failed...even his golden boy, the one he should have the greatest influence over, was overweight, played scared and wasn't held accountable. I am glad he has 7 years but I think we see Frosty gravitate towards the mean...he fell into a great situation at UCF, won a ton of close games, and had about 6 players better than anyone at NU...the opposite happened at Nu...no NFL players, he is -6 in close games, no leadership, and hubris has looked like arrogance instead of the confidence we saw at UCF...that is all based on record...if he doesn't win no amount of bricks are going to matter.
PS: My feeling is Frosty is actually building something...he will move on within 6 years with little success...but his successor will take over a program in a really healthy place, and might win right away with the infusion of energy and talent that a new coach often brings.
No, those players are players, they want to win, but just like they want those new facilities, they'll have to wait til it's built.Walk-ons, scholarship players or band members the best player at every position needs to play. There are more than a handful of players who do not believe that has happened up to this point. Still causing problems. Let's hope that ends this season if it was really happening. Believing as some of the players did is enough to cause problems. There obviously were problems. Same as treating all players when it comes to discipline. That has not happened under Frost either. Time for all of those things to end!
I'm not going to respond to all of your ramble, but if you think Frost is moving on within 6 years with little success, you're baked.
Why?
The biggest influence on football in the state, Tom Osborne, attends practices every week and is on board with what's happening.
Chancellor Green and the Board of Regents all understand the depths of the rebuild and fully support HCSF.
Frost brought his entire staff because they succeeded wildly in a rebuild (or build if you prefer that classification) at UCF together. It's a logical move. In year two, the special teams, wide receivers, and outside linebackers were all glaring weaknesses - Frost promptly brought in new coaches/analysts to address those issues. Also a logical move.
Dawson left to secure an NFL pension. He's noted it, the administration has noted it, Frost has noted it. The fact that they agreed to reunite says a lot about how they feel about one another.
The transition class has suffered awful attrition, but the last two classes have been the best rated classes in over a decade at Nebraska despite the results on the field.
Adrian Martinez was terrible last year, but he had at least one surgery immediately following the end of the season and appears to have already lost a good bit of weight this winter. He's also facing legitimate competition for the starting QB spot for perhaps the first time in his life this year.
You can be upset about the journey, but you'll enjoy the destination and I'm sure you'll tell anyone who wants to listen that you saw it coming, too.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but...We paid Frost 35 million to let the most important position coach leave, were forced to hire a new coach, and the position group was underwhelming though on paper they were our most talented unit. Then we had to fire another coach to let the friend come back.
It is so backwards that a HC with 4 years of experience and 3 losing seasons is making 5 million a year, and people refuse to think that he might someday be held accountable. Nebraska fans can't comprehend that maybe he is in over his head.
You're seriously going to reply to my post to complain about a guy having a team that has certain issues and then complain about him making changes to address those very issues in the same breath? Come on, man.We paid Frost 35 million to let the most important position coach leave, were forced to hire a new coach, and the position group was underwhelming though on paper they were our most talented unit. Then we had to fire another coach to let the friend come back.
It is so backwards that a HC with 4 years of experience and 3 losing seasons is making 5 million a year, and people refuse to think that he might someday be held accountable. Nebraska fans can't comprehend that maybe he is in over his head.
You're seriously going to reply to my post to complain about a guy having a team that has certain issues and then complain about him making changes to address those very issues in the same breath? Come on, man.
what does money have to do with anything? if he made less, you wouldn't be mad?1. Ask for 35 million 7 years.
2. Talk about family, continuity on staff, being there for players.
3. Let your friend leave the team to go to NFL just to make more money.
4. Fire another coach to let friend come back
The guy hasn't produced anything...anything...he is statistically the worst coach at NU in 40 years...he made 10 million to win 9 games. I hope it works out...but there is no precedent in college football for a guy starting this poorly over the first two seasons and winning a conference title.
I do too. I never understood why more programs don't do this. Most teams are beat up toward the back half of the year. Why not schedule a cupcake as an added bye week. Help the team get healed up and refreshed for the last few tough conf games.That's an SEC type schedule. Play a shit team late in the year to rest. I like it.
This sadly is a fairly accurate statement. I think if it doesn't happen by year 3 it is almost non existent. Most championship level coaches achieve championships in some form, by year 3. I know some want to scoff it off and pretend like Frost will be a rare exception, but facts are facts. If he doesn't get a least a west title this year, odds he will get a BIG or NC drop to almost nil.1. Ask for 35 million 7 years.
2. Talk about family, continuity on staff, being there for players.
3. Let your friend leave the team to go to NFL just to make more money.
4. Fire another coach to let friend come back
The guy hasn't produced anything...anything...he is statistically the worst coach at NU in 40 years...he made 10 million to win 9 games. I hope it works out...but there is no precedent in college football for a guy starting this poorly over the first two seasons and winning a conference title.
you want to compare facts, at least compare them apples to apples.This sadly is a fairly accurate statement. I think if it doesn't happen by year 3 it is almost non existent. Most championship level coaches achieve championships in some form, by year 3. I know some want to scoff it off and pretend like Frost will be a rare exception, but facts are facts. If he doesn't get a least a west title this year, odds he will get a BIG or NC drop to almost nil.
Now that isn't saying he can't go to another team and win championships IE Nick Saban.
Right, thats why I said, "Now that isn't saying he can't go to another team and win championships IE Nick Saban." Didn't win at Mich st but won conf champ year 2 and NC year 3 and Alabama. My point on Frost still holds true, this year is important for how his time at Nebraska could go.you want to compare facts, at least compare them apples to apples.
you're right, most 'championship level coaches' achieve championships in year 3 at the school they win. not year 3-5 overall in their head coaching careers.