Why does it seem like it’s common knowledge around here that he won’t make the necessary changes needed? Do you honestly believe that?
I don’t
I don’t
Is Frost too stubborn?
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Bit open ended as to what changes are necessary. Those that know him well say that being stubborn is one of his most dominant traits. As is hatred of losing. We will see which one wins.
Dont know major moves are needed. We hve heard frost say, in the big 10 you have to be big and tough. Also run the ball. I think special teams must get fixed, they cost 2 games. Attitude also, we have as much talent as wisc and ia, difference is they find a way to win and we find a way to lose.
If you still asking this question after 2 years of blaming the players and not himself, continued bad red zone play calling, 6 failed swing passes a game, the same bs game to game press conference to press conference then you haven't been a observant fan of Nebraska football!
Why would you make any changes when he's repeatedly told us it's the players fault, and he knows this system with these coaches works.
Many considered Osborne incredibly stubborn, doesn’t mean that Frost equals TO, obviously he doesn’t. But last time the board called for a new flashy DC we got Diaco’d.
I really doubt he’s changing anything, the timing isn’t right. I’m sure he is still certain it is the players. If things get a little better next year (6 or 7 wins), he’ll have all the evidence he needs to tout “improvement” and it will still be in line with the 4-5 year rebuild narrative. If we see another 4-5 win season, then I am guessing there might be a change to at least give the appearance he is willing to adapt.
posting the same thing over and over again to a board full of strangers?
What a load of bull. Since you don't like his play calls, he is stubborn? That is just silly. They are trying to move the ball and score the best they know how, with what they have, it has nothing to do with being stubborn. The swing passes were a disaster against Iowa this year, but worked against Iowa last year, against Wisconsin, our biggest play this year was on a swing pass against Colorado, on and on. Our only playmakers are JD, Wandale, Mills and they are trying to both take advantage of numbers and get them the ball. It makes sense, just because it didn't work doesn't make them stubborn.
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I know most on here don’t want to entertain this, but I still think the game outcomes are rigged/scripted. I watched the same game as all of you all season, we’d get turnovers that were not scripted and proceed to throw 3 incomplete passes or interceptions from their two yard line.
I don’t fall into the camp that believes Scott is that stupid, I don’t believe any coach that makes it to the power 5 level is that stupid. I do believe Scott wins a title here because it will be a great story, but right now it doesn’t “look” like that should happen anytime soon, which is another reason I think it happens. The media and leagues want to make people wrong more than not. Look at media hype compared to this season lol
I don’t fall into the camp that believes Scott is that stupid, I don’t believe any coach that makes it to the power 5 level is that stupid. I do believe Scott wins a title here because it will be a great story, but right now it doesn’t “look” like that should happen anytime soon, which is another reason I think it happens. The media and leagues want to make people wrong more than not. Look at media hype compared to this season lol
Have to agree with this dude - spot on. Frost needs to lead like the $5 million leader he was hired to be to bring our beloved corn back to life. He certainly appears stubborn based on him still making rookie mistakes in game one last year and those same play calling/coaches decision making miscues two seasons later. Frost should have to return his salary for the way the team was led last Friday. How he can blame anyone but himself is beyond me. How can he even think about blaming players when he alone sets the tone, game-plan and mentality of this team. Don’t wanna hear how great the practices are next spring....don’t wanna hear how in shape we are in and how #2 is a true leader on the field and a Heisman candidate. I want f’in results. I want a well prepared team d no f’in excuses any more until we start beating those we are supposed to beat and win a few games we are not supposed to win. I want accountability for all but mostly for this rich coach and his staff. Competition at EVERY position in the Spring and coaches that are held accountable to make the players and team better each week. No more BS Frost - time to buck up and be who they said you were and no more talk until u show it in the product on the field.
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I haven’t found a site where you can live bet college games on a per drive basis, that’s all I’m able to predict, is the outcome of drives, not games before they happen. Do you know of one? I have been doing it in the NFL though with ridiculous results...I will post them soon. I will say it’s still hard to make money doing it because with the odds they give you, you have to be like 95% accurate to make any money. But honestly I’m very close to that. I haven’t been doing it very long, so I’m still learning, but it’s glaringly obvious to me what’s going on.
What exactly is the problem with how the team was led Saturday? They never quit, battled their ass off and had a chance to knock off a 9-win Top 20 team. And if you don't want to hear about how the team is doing in the off season, don't listen. Because guess what, there will be press conferences and news articles on the team all off-season and like every single coach in America, Frost will talk about how hard his team is working to get better.
Not for college. I’m on Bovada and BetDSI, tried top bet as well. Only Bovada has the per-drive lines that I’m looking for, and only for NFL games. Maybe you could show me a screen shot? I have not tried venturing over to Council Bluffs yet for in-person action.
you should get them for high-profile games. this weekend they should be offered just like the NFL in the conf title games. playoffs, definitely.
good work on NFL. I wouldn't be surprised at all if refs have a directive pre-game on desired outcomes. certainly wouldn't be the first time.
Obviously arguments could be made for staff chances. I don't think Frost is even considering the issues are related to his assistants. He believe every problem is related to players, talent, youth, and depth. So in his mind he needs to fix those areas by recruiting, and weight room. "Fixing" those areas is going to take another year or 2. Until Frost has the majority of the starters his guys, I think the blame will always fall on MR guys. If in 2 years we continue to struggle then maybe we will see staff changes.
I do think he will do anything in an attempt to get this thing fixed. That included changing schemes, changing staff. I just don't know if he will do before it is to late.
I appreciate you hearing me out at least, I know it’s A) hard to fathom and B) a really shitty thing for all of humanity if true.
They way I’ve been seeing it play out, the QBs HAVE to be in on it to script it as finley as they do, and the refs are there to sort of clean up the “mistakes” (like if someone squirts free for a touchdown or makes an interception when they’re not suppose to, the refs throw a holding flag) Like in the cowboys game on Thanksgiving, Dak threw a decent ball to a receiver, it bounced off his hands and the second it was intercepted by the bills, like clockwork a flag was thrown on defense for hands to the face, dude’s hands were nowhere near anyone’s face the entire play...the cowboys would go on to score a TD on that drive. that kind of stuff is what makes it obvious and it happens in every single game. Coincidence becomes an excuse when so many are stacked on top of each other that often in my opinion.
I think he’ll win a national title here. He got a big extension in the middle of an obvious coaching blundered season. It’s a storybook
Yes he's too stubborn but for me it's with offensive identity. He spent a lot of time calling plays for the team he wants this year and not the team he has. He had Northwestern's offense on his sidelines and he wanted to dial up plays for Ohio State's offense instead.
It looks boring to run the crap out of Mills, Mazour, Belt, churning up 4 ypc and sucking in the defense because you run, run, run, run. Til you can finally hit em with the PA pass. But that's what this offense needed to learn to do this year. Out-boring some conference teams in ugly games and win by 4 points. That's what Iowa does every year, they're gonna line up in 12 personnel and run it at you, PA flat routes til you wanna scream. Never great, never terrible doing that.
They want to have a wide open offense so that's what they called and their guys couldn't run ANY of it. Not just some aspects were shaky, they had no consistency in ANY aspect of the offense until Mills finally started busting out late in the year.
It's like walking into the weight room and your goal is to be able to bench 325 so you throw it on the bar even though you have never put up any thing above 200. You need a couple years of working your way up from 180 going up by 10 pounds every two weeks before you can get there. Not exciting but that's the growth process. You get under that bar today and you crack some ribs, tear a pec, you set yourself back even further.
It looks boring to run the crap out of Mills, Mazour, Belt, churning up 4 ypc and sucking in the defense because you run, run, run, run. Til you can finally hit em with the PA pass. But that's what this offense needed to learn to do this year. Out-boring some conference teams in ugly games and win by 4 points. That's what Iowa does every year, they're gonna line up in 12 personnel and run it at you, PA flat routes til you wanna scream. Never great, never terrible doing that.
They want to have a wide open offense so that's what they called and their guys couldn't run ANY of it. Not just some aspects were shaky, they had no consistency in ANY aspect of the offense until Mills finally started busting out late in the year.
It's like walking into the weight room and your goal is to be able to bench 325 so you throw it on the bar even though you have never put up any thing above 200. You need a couple years of working your way up from 180 going up by 10 pounds every two weeks before you can get there. Not exciting but that's the growth process. You get under that bar today and you crack some ribs, tear a pec, you set yourself back even further.
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My issue or problem is the past two years and it culminated with last Friday’s game. Yes, I noted the “past two seasons” so don’t attempt to put words in my mouth and alter this discussion sunshine-pumper. Organizations and teams of individuals are led by leaders and this leader has shown limited, if any progress to date. I have heard many excuses and others put under the bus each week, but I have seen limited development of frosts’s coaching acumen. True, the Team played with heart, but better leadership and coaching would and should have resulted in a season changing win at home. There were 3/4 other games this year that could and should have ended with wins and against lesser or equal opponents. Couple more wins last year were within reach so I am considering frost’s body of work.
I am an action first person and was giving my suggestion that Frosty stop using constant superlatives about the team next spring until Frosty and the football team exhibit more progress and better results. Until i had a winning record - I would keep my trap closed as much as possible. Otherwise, it can set players up for unrealistic expectations and a big let down when the team doesn’t reach those lofty expectations. I know he is going to do what he wants, but like others I was saying what I think needs to happen and commenting to blow off some steam. Not saying I am going to not listen or go away so spare with with your straw man comment(s) and keep accepting mediocrity. I picture u being full of excuses.
Oh and I refuse to listen to his press conferences until the leader takes ownership and stops blaming others.
Not seeing development of a team after two seasons (and some regression) and leadership traits that require attention before our football program takes the next step. Giving my thoughts and opinions sunshine-pumper so save the I must be a troll and not a true fan junk. If u don’t like my post hit next please.
The Riley guys are the only guys on the team that know what it takes to win nine games. That fact sure seems to be overlooked often by the coaching staff and my many on this board! And no I do not want Riley back or think he would be better than Frost. However to continue to blame the past for what is happening right now is just plain wrong also!
Oooo, sunshine pumper, good one. Not at all accurate, but sick insult. Now back to your nonsense. You literally said "Frost should have to return his salary for the way the team was led last Friday." So I asked: what your problem was with how he led the team Saturday? The fact that you can't even answer and feel the need to try and deflect and insult, tells me all I need to know.
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Thanks for sharing, I'm still in the shock, denial, and anger stage. Nebraska Football is essentially dead, some could argue hanging on life support. I was a huge advocate for the hiring of Frost, it's just a crazy unpredictable world.
I am sorry but I am having a real belly laugh here...because you really hit the nail smack dab on the head. Anytime you have the audacity to question the revered leader Frost on here...you get labeled by all those as you call them "sunshine -pumpers"....I refer to them as kool-aid drinkers....as a bad fan...a troll... unrealistic because he is a young coach ...the cupboard was bare....blah...blah...blah.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect better out of this coaching staff....particularly the head coach (the $5 mil Man). The fact that this team did not make a bowl game with the schedule this year...should have fans concerned.
You have to understand that SCOTT doesn't care if we win or lose as long as Adrian is protected!! By running out of bounds he even lost Iowa.
I have a PLAN lets have a bowl game at Memorial and play Doane!!! I guarantee you that it our mess up Quaarter back plays even a few downs WE WILL LOSE HE has Scott by the earlobe its all over for the next 2 years.
I'm not making any specific recommendations on what he should change, etc ('special' teams cough cough)
I just have seen many posts saying basically we are screwed because Frost is stubborn, blindly loyal, will never have a real QB competition, will never fire his friends, will never admit that he is wrong, will never adjust his play calling, etc etc. I guess I wonder why it is that we are supposed to think that that is the case.
Bottom line: I do think Frost wants to win championships and that he would make any necessary changes to accomplish that.
I just have seen many posts saying basically we are screwed because Frost is stubborn, blindly loyal, will never have a real QB competition, will never fire his friends, will never admit that he is wrong, will never adjust his play calling, etc etc. I guess I wonder why it is that we are supposed to think that that is the case.
Bottom line: I do think Frost wants to win championships and that he would make any necessary changes to accomplish that.
The problem is that this only applies IF HCSF recognizes and agrees it is a problem and THEN does nothing about it. That is where stubborn kicks in. The fact that some message board posters think the key to winning is firing Chins or not calling plays doesn't mean HCSF does. A better question might be, does HCSF have good situational awareness?
NOT biting on your response Kool-aide drinker. Nice try tho - read my detailed post regarding my thoughts on Frost's coaching the past two years and then digest the several posts made by others in response to my post and become enlightened grass-hopper. If you don't like it - move on and try and antagonize a fellow sunshine-pumper.
More name calling, of course. Easier than answering the simple question, which was to clarify a statement you made. But congrats on finding two posters amused by your antics.
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