Iowa or Nebraska: Who has a better year?
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Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you. We won't be light years ahead of you. You will be light years behind us. And behind the rest of the big ten... That average star rating is awesome!
I get it that the answer isn't exclusively in what the experts say regarding recruiting... But you can't discount it either. And since you've been hearing it for weeks and still don't understand why you are ahead of us, I'll try to dumb it down even more...
Because you have 7 more commits then we currently do, you get points for that. You see, we get no points for those 7 we don't have. That's what accounts for your higher score. Does that make sense? I sure hope it does, cuz I don't think I can simplify it any more than that... Since we are currently a half a point higher than you for the average, when we have the same number of commits on signing day, and we are still half a point higher, guess what? You will be in our rear view mirror big time.
The 2016 recruiting class will have no bearing on this years game, obviously, but we are just getting started with some great classes. When Riley has a few more under his belt, you will resemble Iowa state more and more to us.
It must be the offseason. Hogeyes always have big mouths until they get punched in the mouth. NU will make it 4 out of 5 soon enough. And then you will give Kirk a raise.
You've filled up most of your class early with players that have VERY few offers from other Power5 schools. Your last 5 recruits have a TOTAL of one offer from any other Power 5 school.
Your average player so far is a 2.6 star. You have a relatively high rank based on having a large number of recruits. Tip-- this isn't sustainable, Rivals' rankings don't work that way.
Please, keep signing players no other Power 5 school wants and tell yourself each and every one is a hidden gem because Ferentz is just smarter than everyone else.
If we continue signing the level of players we have been and you continue as you have been, we WILL finish far ahead of you. It's math.
I also get that you don't understand recruiting very well, but again, using ESPN arbitrarily, 9 of our 14 players are rated higher than your best player. just sayin'...
So now I guess you are starting to accept the recruiting issue... Since you are avoiding the simplified lesson I shared with you and the insightful info reunite shared as well.
In all seriousness, you can't be happy with this stellar recruiting class KF has put together, can you?
It's not any better or worse than anything else that he's done lately.
You can't honestly think that Mike Riley is a superior football coach than Ferentz is, can you?
We'll find out soon enough, but the more relevant question is, is Riley a better football coach than Bo Pelini?
As it sounds like you're conceding, Nebraska has generally recruited better than Iowa. Nebraska has beaten Iowa 3 of the last 4 years with Pelini coaching, perhaps with superior talent overcoming Ferentz' better coaching.
If Riley is a better coach than Pelini, and so far he's still recruiting better than Ferentz, how do you plan to win even 1 of 4?
How many of those games did you actually watch?
Both teams dominated one apiece, and the other two were coin flips that could have gone either way at the end.
So yes, you have historically outrecruited Iowa, but it sure hasn't shown up on the field.
Didn't say we dominated the games, but one thing Pelini was good at was winning close games. We did win 3 of the last 4, so I still think the question is more is Riley better than Pelini than is Riley better than Ferentz.
I've felt in every game that we had better 85-man roster talent, but we lost one game big (despite out-gaining you, Pelini teams had a tendency to turnovers) and two games were close despite that edge in talent.
I've felt in every game that we had better 85-man roster talent, but we lost one game big (despite out-gaining you, Pelini teams had a tendency to turnovers) and two games were close despite that edge in talent.
I think Pelini is/was a better coach than Ferentz, and history says that Ferentz is a far better coach than Riley.
One thing that has been mentioned on these boards an awful lot is Riley's success against top teams such as Stanford (when Harbaugh had them humming) and USC. He's taken Oregon to the wire on numerous occasions, after they got good. He's beaten number 1 teams in the nation more than once... And this with not great talent. How many top rated teams has Iowa beaten?
I know that not much of this really matters. What matters is the day after thanksgiving. Who will be victorious? I guess we'll find out. But if Ferentz is so good, why haven't you guys won anything under him? I think 1 big ten championship with Brad Banks... Am I missing anything else?
I would much rather have Riley right now than Ferentz. If Riley flops, we'll fire him and hire someone else. How soon before you can afford to do that with Ferentz and his fat contract?
Pelini barely beat Iowa despite better talent, and if he's a better coach than Ferentz you REALLY need to get rid of him as soon as possible.
We'll find out soon enough if Riley was a good coach trying to win in a bad situation (Hard to sell Corvallis compared to pretty much anything else in the Pac-10) or an average coach who does a good interview.
Coach effect statistics say that even last year, his team won more than it "should" have based on talent available, and that over the years his team have significantly overachieved, while Pelini's have underachieved.
We'll all see soon enough. History hasn't spoken.
Quite a few during our best years. Certainly as many or more than Riley ever has.
Two conference championships, 2 BCS bowl appearances (one victory), 4 Top 10 finishes in the final AP poll. Riley has never even sniffed any of those things.
Agreed. You will keep cycling through coaches until you finally come to the realization that Nebraska is just another average program in the modern CFB landscape.
You will also soon find out that it's a lot harder to get rid of a nice guy that does everything "the right way", as opposed to a hot-headed oaf that's easy to dislike.
How exactly would you describe Ferentz, then? As you love to point out, Iowa's recruiting is typically awful. And yet 5 years ago, Ferentz could have had his pick of any NFL job that he wanted.
BTW, your guy's been on that stage, and he failed MISERABLY.
You're an idiot. Do you realize that not once since 2002 (because that's as far back as Rivals site allows me to look back) has Iowa out recruited Nebraska? Not a single time in 13 recruiting cycle. Congratu-friggin'-lations. You're ahead of us in recruiting 7 months before signing day. Why don't you come back when this recruiting cycle is over and then let's compare? My guess is we'll be enjoying yet another victory over Io_a, a better bowl game and a better recruiting class.
Iowa is at least average in facilities and general appeal in the Big Ten. Kinnick Stadium is very nice, you have all the bells and whistles, and you're in a fairly major city.
Oregon State is 2nd to last in the Pac-10 in facilities (WSU) and in a small town far from any metro areas. It's two hours from the Portland Airport, and the only closer airport to fly recruits into is...Eugene. Great.
Ferentz had a reputation of coaching up good talent to a much higher level for a while. He's lost that reputation.
Riley did poorly in the NFL. He's a college-style coach and his style didn't work well in the NFL. Nobody could have won with Ryan Leaf at QB, though.
Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, which means you're still 1-3 against us douchbag. And paying your coach double what we pay ours. At least we know when it's a coaching issue and not a talent issue.
Iowa's facilities have only recently been upgraded.
When Ferentz was making his initial run, he wasn't working with anything that Riley didn't have at his disposal in Corvallis (other than better coaching ability and eye for talent).
3 out of 4 recycled poster. 3 out of 4. In Hogeye land..that gets you a pay raise.
I'll play your game with you... If Riley is as bad as you say, why has USC (twice) and Alabama courted him in the past to fill their head coaching vacancies? Who has courted Ferentz in the college ranks recently?
Here's a 2012 article on Big Ten facilities, three years ago at least Iowa was middle of the pack. Oregon State has NEVER been better than near the bottom.
Have you ever BEEN to Corvallis? It hasn't moved, or gotten nicer.
So with new facilities, this amazing recruiting class still has an average star rating of 2.62? What would it have been with the old facilities?
And your bias is showing... Riley is regarded NATIONWIDE as a great eye for talent and the ability to coach up the players. Wonder why Ralph Kramden doesn't see this...
Not saying Ferentz can't do this as well... I am sure he does a fine job. And every 6 years, his record shows it.
He could have had the Michigan job when they hired Rich Rod or Hoke, and could have had the PSU job after they canned Joe. And as noted, he could have had his pick of any head job in the NFL for about a 7 year stretch (2002-2009).
LOL, that is just laughable.
Iowa has put a ton more players in the NFL under Kirk than Riley ever dreamed of at OSU.
It's like clockwork...Hogeye fans puff their chest out in the summer and are gone like a fart in the wind as soon as their slow team takes the field. Happens every year. Never fails.
Have you been to Iowa? Not exactly a metropolis.
Iowa finished in the Top 10 for 3 consecutive years from 2002-2004. Go ahead and show me a facilities article from that time period.
He also has had a lot more to work with at Iowa than Riley ever had at Oregon State. You like to think Iowa was comparable to Oregon State, but there is no comparison. Mike Riley to Oregon State is what Hayden Frye was to Iowa. Iowa was nothing for 2 decades before Hayden Frye came to Iowa... From 1961 to 1980, the best Iowa could do in the conference was a fourth place finish... and that was when the Big Ten only had 10 teams! Oregon State had 25 straight losing seasons before Mike Riley arrived there. Riley has done just as much for Oregon State than Hayden Frye did for Iowa. Frye had 10 top 25 finishes, Riley has had 4. Guess how many Ferentz has had? That's right, 5.
I actually love when iowa fans come here and beat their chests about almost beating us. It brings back my few fond memories of the BigXII and our interactions with k-state and Mizzu fans
funny choice of words to use when name calling... you so badly want it to be 2-2, but you can't have it that way. I keep hearing, "2 nailbiters, one play away from 2-2, close games..." but when everything is said and done, your record against us is still 1-3. So spare us the "one play away" garbage and acknowledge reality. 1-3.
Retard.
Iowa fans have a bigger loser mentality than any fanbase I have ever seen. They literally don't seem to care about winning-just playing close. How many times did they brag over the fact that over a long period of time they didn't lose a game by more than 2 TDs or something like that? Not how many games they won-how many games they didn't lose by more than 2 TDs. Of course that ended a few years ago and really has been forgotten after that 37 point beatdown they received from Minnesota last year. So now they are reduced to bragging about close games against certain opponents. Apparently to Iowa fans, winning isn't really the goal-just playing close is. I can guarantee that if the results in the Nebraska-Iowa series the last 4 years were reversed, we wouldn't be bragging about how 2 of the losses were close. A loss is a loss-of course losing in blowout fashion is hard, but coming painfully close time after time but not getting the win can be just as frustrating, and maybe even moreso over a long period of time. But not for Iowa fans apparently-if they cared about winning and not just playing close, they would have got rid of Kirk Ferentz awhile ago.
Yup. One play away from 2-2... But you're still 1-3 against us. Hell, we could play this game all day. We were one play away from a National Title in 1983. We were one play away from a Conference Title in 2009. We were one play away from beating USC with an Intrim Head Coach this past season. "We were one play, we were one play, we were one play... blah, blah, blah blah." No matter how many times you repeat phrases like, "we were one play away," "we almost," "it was so close..." etc, etc, etc. You still lost. You're still 1-3 against us. And just think that one game, that one play, came at the height of Pelini dysfunction. You couldn't beat a coach that was fired less than 48 hours later. Just think what will happen to you when Riley has all of his pieces in place. Black Friday will continue to be a difficult day for Hogeye fans for the foreseeable future.
And before you post a third, "bu, bu, bu, but we almost!" You're still 1-3.
Boy, two programs that have not won much lately to brag about. Yes, Nebraska history is stronger than Iowa's. I think both fan bases need to sit back and see what direction the programs are going to keep up with other Big Ten Teams. Nebraska has a new coach that is well respected but was at OSU fighting an uphill battle. Iowa has a coach that is well respected and has some great years, but seems to be trending down. This year could be very telling on the direction of the Hawkeyes and Nebraska will need to give Riley a few years.Until the recruits get on the field and play a college game, it is all speculation. I would love to see both teams fighting it out at the end of the year for the West title. It would be good for both programs. Anyway good luck and hope this is what happens this year.
Few of those Iowa fans have to be kidding themselves if they think they have better running backs than Nebraska even with Ameer gone, same goes for Wide receivers and Bell is gone as well.
They say they will be very bit as good or better than our defensive line? Only Ott would be starting on our line that they have in their front 4.
You can beat money on them entering conference play with one or two losses.
They say they will be very bit as good or better than our defensive line? Only Ott would be starting on our line that they have in their front 4.
You can beat money on them entering conference play with one or two losses.
And with all that NFL Talent Ferentz has managed 0 National Titles and 2 shared Conference Titles, both, now over 10 years old.
NFL draft picks does not automatically translate to greater success in college.
We should root for each other to be disruptive and win games; while wanting to win our game. Success should bring attention and aid each program. I am friends with some great Iowa fans. As one poster above said; some Iowa fans voting with their wallets - I believe an article about a month ago stated Iowa had only sold 40,000 of 75,000 season tickets at that point; not a vote of confidence.
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