If our Roster is so depleted why no JUCO's

[spinner4]

So JUCOs are automatically better? I missed that memo.

So Juco's are not ever better? I missed that memo.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Uhm you realize that none of the people on this forum make the decisions to either recruit or not recruit JUCOs. If you want the answer to why he didn't or why he doesn't recruit JUCOs call, text or email someone on the Nebraska staff. Everything stated by the posters is purely speculation, or an attempt to explain why the believe he doesn't. As far as calling people idiots, you keep coming back so I guess you're included in that group.

Fact - Riley has recruited the JUCO ranks in the past.

Fact - Michigan, with its two largest classes in recent history, and all 3 of Harbaugh's have zero JUCO players. So while some coaches may take a JUCO or 2 a year, not everyone successful coach does.

Sorry you are so angry over something you have no control over.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

So Juco's are not ever better? I missed that memo.

I think you missed the context. Tom said Riley could have brought in JUCOs to play right away. As if every JUCO was going to be automatically better than whatbwas already there.

 

[timnsun]

Just a reminder for the pissed off that we haven't taken jucos crowd... we have recruited jucos under Riley. They went elsewhere.

Maybe I'm missing something, and the juco route is an untapped goldmine... the athletes there across the board are better I guess...

A small part of me wishes Riley would have taken a juco or two just so I could see guys like Tulsa Tom complain about the juco taken...

 

[SnohomishRed]

again why is speculation on why we have or have not taken Jucos off limits - Maybe Riley has a valid reason maybe he has a reason but it is flawed. I do think since it has been clearly stated we have depth issues and clearly had/have an issues at DE it would have been something I expected from Riley ( concerted effort on Juco players at certain positions)

I guess it makes sense to develop from within but we do not hear about this staff in the mix for any Juco players as we do for HS recruits. personally I think we are missing the boat

 

[Dean Pope]

Did we not just lose a 4 star recruit ( Blades) due to grades to Juco - most top 25 teams take a Juco or two every year what makes us different plus we do have holes and as correctly pointed out here the previous staff did not do a good job filling classes

I think that's what this staff is doing. They've just been very selective and unsuccessful to this point. They are in on two juco offensive tackles right now although one of them already committed elsewhere.

 

[jlb321]

it is all speculation but interesting none the less

winning on the field will help

the ultimate metric for a program is wins and losses

once we start meeting some of the hard metrics - division champ, conference champ, major bowl game then people will care less and less about the soft metrics such as recruiting, class attrition, JUCO utilization, play calling, roster management etc (although still fun to speculate)

people care less about where recruiting classes are ranked if we are winning, if we aren't then people are going to start questioning various aspects of the program

as posted in another thread you have to go back to the 1950s to find a new hire who hasn't won a divisional title, a conf championship, gone to a major bowl game and/or finish in the top ten in their first three years at Nebraska .... looking forward to getting it done on the field so some of these debates can be tempered

9 wins last year was a step forward toward meeting the ultimate goals of the program

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I'll try to equate a real life story that, at least, relates to this JUCO influx thing.

A few years ago I took over the sales area of a company that was moderately successful. The sales staff depended mostly on return customers. Those longtime return customers had smaller orders but they were enough to sustain the current sales levels. When I came in, I wanted to make a push on getting new sales. The problem is the staff had grown complacent, they had reliable income and didn't want to willingly step out and sort of pushed back a little. So I decided to spend a lot of time working with them to increase the number of new clients, the first year or so was slow but sales increased they were making money and the return customers didn't leave. We grew steadily after that.

I could have replaced the sales staff from the outside, and my new sales would probably have increased at a higher rate in year 1 but I would have lost some of the older clients.

By the time I moved on I am not sure either path would have resulted in better results than the other. I do know that I had no guarantee the new staff would automatically out perform what I had and I knew that I would lose long time clients if I did replace staff.

Like or don't like. I don't care but the microwave quick fix isn't always best.

 

[Toms Wife]

My point was that many here want to lament our current talent and act like their were such giant holes that it was impossible to compete for championships. If true, Riley could have addressed the issue. He didn't which leads me to believe much of that is overblown.

 

[timnsun]

My point was that many here want to lament our current talent and act like their were such giant holes that it was impossible to compete for championships. If true, Riley could have addressed the issue. He didn't which leads me to believe much of that is overblown.

My point is that maybe he attempted to address it but the jucos he offered didn't accept.

Look, Could Riley have gone after more juco talent? Sure. But to assume that because we have no jucos then we must have already been talented enough to win championships is a leap that doesn't make sense either.

And please, please, PLEASE don't quote Eichorst again... we all know where you stand Tom.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I'll try to equate a real life story that, at least, relates to this JUCO influx thing.

A few years ago I took over the sales area of a company that was moderately successful. The sales staff depended mostly on return customers. Those longtime return customers had smaller orders but they were enough to sustain the current sales levels. When I came in, I wanted to make a push on getting new sales. The problem is the staff had grown complacent, they had reliable income and didn't want to willingly step out and sort of pushed back a little. So I decided to spend a lot of time working with them to increase the number of new clients, the first year or so was slow but sales increased they were making money and the return customers didn't leave. We grew steadily after that.

I could have replaced the sales staff from the outside, and my new sales would probably have increased at a higher rate in year 1 but I would have lost some of the older clients.

By the time I moved on I am not sure either path would have resulted in better results than the other. I do know that I had no guarantee the new staff would automatically out perform what I had and I knew that I would lose long time clients if I did replace staff.

Like or don't like. I don't care but the microwave quick fix isn't always best.

I think your analogy kind of proves the point. In your instances you had no holes but were trying to take the leap to next level - blowing everything up and starting over brings risk , most would say unacceptable risk.

In this instance the previous coach was fired, Riley comes in and there holes in the roster. The AD stated when the previous coach was fired in part becuase he could not win the games that mattered, Riley by extension was hired to take this next step. Why not plug the holes quickly with a couple of JUCO's Riley has shown he can recruit so if he truly wanted some Spot Juco's I believe he could have signed some

 

[nebcountry]

I look at JUCOs as a higher academic risk, but you can better see their floor and ceiling as players. Unless you have freshman/redshirt freshman that will be instant contributors, the JUCO route might be better. If a freshman has to develop, he's holding a scholarship and riding the pine. But the JUCO has to come in as an instant contributor, or you've likely wasted the scholarship just like the freshman that never plays.

We've went after some JUCOs, they didn't come here for whatever reason.

My point was that many here want to lament our current talent and act like their were such giant holes that it was impossible to compete for championships. If true, Riley could have addressed the issue. He didn't which leads me to believe much of that is overblown.

The "compete for chamionships" part is kind of nebulous. An outside shot is different from being the unanimous favorites. But the "overblown" part, I'm in full agreement there.

 

[timnsun]

I look at JUCOs as a higher academic risk, but you can better see their floor and ceiling as players. Unless you have freshman/redshirt freshman that will be instant contributors, the JUCO route might be better. If a freshman has to develop, he's holding a scholarship and riding the pine. But the JUCO has to come in as an instant contributor, or you've likely wasted the scholarship just like the freshman that never plays.

We've went after some JUCOs, they didn't come here for whatever reason.



The "compete for chamionships" part is kind of nebulous. An outside shot is different from being the unanimous favorites. But the "overblown" part, I'm in full agreement there.

So where was all the talent from the last two years drafted? What rounds? How are they doing in the NFL? This is probably more for Tulsa Tom than you, but I'm curious about all this talent that Tom thinks has been on the roster.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

My point was that many here want to lament our current talent and act like their were such giant holes that it was impossible to compete for championships. If true, Riley could have addressed the issue. He didn't which leads me to believe much of that is overblown.

There are and were holes on the roster. There is and was a lack of talent on the roster. how big or small you think the holes are depends on who you think is at fault for those holes.

People want to use the Bo win totals as proof there was talent. And if Eichorst decided to hire a spread option coach, the 2015 team probably wins more games. But he didn't. So we'll never know.

As I said before, I think Riley over estimated what he could do, from an offensive standpoint, with what he had returning in 2015. When he scaled back the offense, his team won 9 games just like the previous guy. Maybe he and Langsdorf were stubborn, maybe the unlucky bounces played on the psyche of the players.

Regardless, there isn't and wasn't championship level talent on the roster.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I think your analogy kind of proves the point. In your instances you had no holes but were trying to take the leap to next level - blowing everything up and starting over brings risk , most would say unacceptable risk.

In this instance the previous coach was fired, Riley comes in and there holes in the roster. The AD stated when the previous coach was fired in part becuase he could not win the games that mattered, Riley by extension was hired to take this next step. Why not plug the holes quickly with a couple of JUCO's Riley has shown he can recruit so if he truly wanted some Spot Juco's I believe he could have signed some

Your appear to be saying that by plugging in a couple of JUCOs, they would have been automatically better than what was already on the roster.

When you look back on timing, the JUCO signing day is in December right? So December of 2014 he would have had to identify and sign some JUCOs in 2 weeks for them to be available for the 2015 season. Not possible. No relationships, staff is being replaced it was hard enough for them to keep what was already committed.

By the time you start recruiting for the 2016 class, you have a whole spring, and an unsuccessful 2015 season to evaluate your team, your staff and your talent. If they thought there were JUCOs they could get, that they wanted and would have been an improvement, I have no doubt they would have gone full force after them. But they didn't.

If you want to use hindsight, I will too. The 2016 season was a 9-3 regular season. Typical Nebraska season, record wise, as the past 15 years.

Going into 2017 he has his staff in place, his player are entering their third year in his system. I would and do expect better results.

 

[jflores]

If the holes were so great, why would one not go hard after JUCOs? If the classes three years down the road from when Riley was hired were going to be such a problem, why not go after JUCOs in the first couple years? It's not like the talent level of the #31, #24, and #20 classes involving all freshmen was so much better than some players at the JUCO ranks.

One answer MIGHT be that Eichorst was right in saying we already had players who could compete for championships. Even Bo out-recruited the others in our division.

My favorite contradiction on this board has to be this one.

-Riley doesn't recruit Jucos cause he doesn't have too or only goes after like 2 a year

then same type of posters post

-Riley cant compete at a high level because he doesn't have depth on his roster.

No one can argue with you with that logic because it's impossible to argue with idiots.

IF this staff believes it can do better by recruiting HS kids and develop them quick enough to build depth, I am fine with that. But don't give me sh*t about him not having time to build depth then. It a freaking contradiction. He's signed 62 scholarship players, 31 walk-ons, and 2 transfers (93 total players!!!) in 2015, 2016, & 2017 combined.If they can build depth with young guys, then they should be fine now, right? He's got the bodies. So give me a freaking break and don't use a double standard.

As far as Ginkel goes @ IWCC, Huskers got a big F-U from IWCC on that. Nebraska lacks a history of recruiting kids @ IWCC. I feel like the school and it's football staff feel a little shunned off by the Huskers and Ginkel was their "F off" moment .

Finally, almost every coach in college football recruits Jucos. Myers does. Saban does. Every SEC school has landed at least 1 Juco in the past 2 years combined (most have taken a couple). Saban usually takes @ least 1 Juco per year. Osborne recruited Jucos. Arguably the 2 best LBs in Husker football were Jucos. No one is asking for Snyder but when you obviously have depth problems, do something to fix it. Don't just pout and say " In 2021 we should be fine". Build a pair for a change and grow up.

There's a very simple answer to this. The AD is taking more of a long view on this. How long, I can't say for sure. I know its longer than the folks calling for Riley's head after 5 games had in mind, and its probably shorter than the 7 years Bo had, but every single action taken by the staff indicates that they have internal top cover to build this thing up "the right way".

Everyone who seems to be at odds with the plainly available evidence, kinda sorta seems to be making a fair amount of assumption here. Namely, because Riley is 60 something, if he doesn't load up on talent through JUCOs, processing, what have you *right now* he'll basically keel over a failure. (Edit: Sort of the 2nd assumption...its been nearly 20 years and that should have more say in whether Riley gets more/less time than others).

From what we can observe and hear it seems like the most likely option is that the AD going to give Riley the top cover he needs to do this his way, and if it doesn't work out, Riley retires and hands over a stable roster to probably someone like Frost.

Given the type of decisionmaker SE seems to be, loading up on a bunch of JUCOs and going for broke in Year 2 or 3 and having an empty husk afterwards doesn't seem to be in the cards.

A lot of folks who are impatient with Riley and kind of hinting at the imminence of the whole situation were a lot of the same folks that thought SE was going to come in and be a hatchet man with Bo (which again SE operated on a different timeline there).

 

[jflores]

Which, not to really start an argument about how bad said holes are...like I said in another thread. I haven't been this comfortable with our across the board talent in awhile.

Probably our most glaring hole is the OLB, and that's a hole that was largely created through very positive movement (changing out Banker for Diaco) and moving systems.

 

[nebcountry]

So where was all the talent from the last two years drafted? What rounds? How are they doing in the NFL? This is probably more for Tulsa Tom than you, but I'm curious about all this talent that Tom thinks has been on the roster.

I think (my opinion) is we've had the talent to win 9 games for quite awhile, and we still do. Could be 8, could be 10, somewhat depending on bowl matchups and how the ball bounces in the regular season. There are some really bad football programs out there. We play maybe 5 or 6 every year that are that bad or are removed a tier or two in terms of competition level. Automatic wins for a competent coaching staff. As I said, competing for championships is a nebulous phrase.

As far as players going into the pro's, we haven't been an NFL factory, far from it. I don't have any numbers, but I would guess the national championship caliber teams are putting relatively higher numbers of players into the pro's (honestly, I don't pay much attention to the NFL draft). As a side note, it would be interesting to me to see a breakdown of P5 division champs showing total draft picks for the div champ year plus the next year, and maybe 8 to 10 years of that data. I'm not going to put that together, but it would be interesting to see.

 

[Cornicator]

Sometimes when I'm feeling down or sorrowful, I read this Free Board, and suddenly feel much better about myself.

 

[jflores]

SE's statement about having the athletes is something of a chimera to me.

Its one of those things he kind of has to say, especially when "blaming the kids instead of pointing the thumb" was a major beef the fan base had with Bo.

I didn't really expect him to get up in front of the country and say "our kids suck at football and so did the outgoing staff". No one does that. "The kids" are the third rail of athletic politics.

I also don't think SE expected to compete for Conference titles in Year 1. (Which among some of the fan base that was still in Bo's corner, was the expectation for making a move against a coach that had a 9 win standard). I don't think he was blind to the fact that most teams, especially teams that switch offensive philosophies, have transition time. I don't think he met with Riley in San Francisco and said "You know Riles, if you do this, you are going to have to run a spread for awhile".

I don't think he expected 5 wins. Maybe in the 7-9 range. Year 2 was better. Recruiting is better. If this thing turns South again, its going to make the decisions all the easier. If it keeps getting built block by block, you'll have the typical arguments about whether we should lose our patience or give 6 years or something.

 

[Toms Wife]

There's a very simple answer to this. The AD is taking more of a long view on this. How long, I can't say for sure. I know its longer than the folks calling for Riley's head after 5 games had in mind, and its probably shorter than the 7 years Bo had, but every single action taken by the staff indicates that they have internal top cover to build this thing up "the right way".

Everyone who seems to be at odds with the plainly available evidence, kinda sorta seems to be making a fair amount of assumption here. Namely, because Riley is 60 something, if he doesn't load up on talent through JUCOs, processing, what have you *right now* he'll basically keel over a failure.

From what we can observe and hear it seems like the most likely option is that the AD going to give Riley the top cover he needs to do this his way, and if it doesn't work out, Riley retires and hands over a stable roster to probably someone like Frost.

Given the type of decisionmaker SE seems to be, loading up on a bunch of JUCOs and going for broke in Year 2 or 3 and having an empty husk afterwards doesn't seem to be in the cards.

A lot of folks who are impatient with Riley and kind of hinting at the imminence of the whole situation were a lot of the same folks that thought SE was going to come in and be a hatchet man with Bo (which again SE operated on a different timeline there).

I don't think anyone has remotely said what you posted. We have a very small class upcoming. We could have achieved balance for the long haul with jucos...and next year's class would be a lot bigger. Going the JUCO route with even 3-4 of them, we would be sitting better number wise for the long haul. At that point, we could have done what the SEC does...take 1 or 2 a year to immediately fill a position of unexpected need.

Nobody has said we want the Bill Snyder plan.

 

[jflores]

I don't think anyone has remotely said what you posted. We have a very small class upcoming. We could have achieved balance for the long haul with jucos...and next year's class would be a lot bigger. Going the JUCO route with even 3-4 of them, we would be sitting better number wise for the long haul. At that point, we could have done what the SEC does...take 1 or 2 a year to immediately fill a position of unexpected need.

Nobody has said we want the Bill Snyder plan.

"It was generally the more desperate Big 12 schools that turned to the JUCO ranks in 2014 and they did not see that investment pay off in terms of immediate help in the starting lineup. Overall the Big 12 went 12 for 53, good for a 23% hit rate.

Now, many of these players redshirted as they adjusted to their new homes and schemes and may well have an impact down the road but in terms of matching typical media expectations for bringing immediate help...they largely failed to do so."

"The SEC was more choosy than their Big 12 brethren and had a higher overall hit rate with 12 of the 38 JUCOs starting three games or more, good for 31%.

Nevertheless, only about a quarter of the JUCOs signed by teams actually ended up fulfilling the offseason hopes that they'd become starters for their teams. Many of them redshirted or even failed to last long on campus. Auburn got solid production out of Derrick Moncrief only to see him immediately transfer again to Oklahoma State.

Junior college players have lots of talent and much of it is worth investing in for the big time programs. However, stocking up on JUCO players was not an efficient way to patch holes in the starting lineup for 2014 Big 12 or SEC programs. Be wary of offseason hopes, not all JUCOs are alike and only about a quarter of them are going to make a difference this year."

Continue to drink the JUCO kool aid if you want, but lets not pretend like this is an open/shut case of what a coach should be doing when it comes to finding immediate starters (Edit: The basis of the OP is "Holes").

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2...-transfers-actually-bring-Auburn-Kansas-State

 

[jlb321]

you don"t fix things with JUCOs

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( and yes I'm joking )

 

[SnohomishRed]

Your appear to be saying that by plugging in a couple of JUCOs, they would have been automatically better than what was already on the roster.

When you look back on timing, the JUCO signing day is in December right? So December of 2014 he would have had to identify and sign some JUCOs in 2 weeks for them to be available for the 2015 season. Not possible. No relationships, staff is being replaced it was hard enough for them to keep what was already committed.

By the time you start recruiting for the 2016 class, you have a whole spring, and an unsuccessful 2015 season to evaluate your team, your staff and your talent. If they thought there were JUCOs they could get, that they wanted and would have been an improvement, I have no doubt they would have gone full force after them. But they didn't.

If you want to use hindsight, I will too. The 2016 season was a 9-3 regular season. Typical Nebraska season, record wise, as the past 15 years.

Going into 2017 he has his staff in place, his player are entering their third year in his system. I would and do expect better results.

At the end of 2015 it was very clear we needed DE help and quickly - recruiting a high school kid would make no difference there. Collins went pro and then Valentine and we lost 2 other? DT's as well certainly we had a hole there. Especially DT is not a position a HS player typically comes in and starts at. so yes there was need. Maybe it was just bad luck and we had recruited some Juco's but I give Riley tons of credit on the recruiting front. If he had placed the amount of emphasis on this that was needed we could have signed a couple of players.

2016 season was better but is severely tempered by one of the worst losses in program history. I was hoping we were past those types of games

 

[DukeOfSorrow]

My favorite contradiction on this board has to be this one.

-Riley doesn't recruit Jucos cause he doesn't have too or only goes after like 2 a year

then same type of posters post

-Riley cant compete at a high level because he doesn't have depth on his roster.

No one can argue with you with that logic because it's impossible to argue with idiots.

IF this staff believes it can do better by recruiting HS kids and develop them quick enough to build depth, I am fine with that. But don't give me sh*t about him not having time to build depth then. It a freaking contradiction. He's signed 62 scholarship players, 31 walk-ons, and 2 transfers (93 total players!!!) in 2015, 2016, & 2017 combined.If they can build depth with young guys, then they should be fine now, right? He's got the bodies. So give me a freaking break and don't use a double standard.

As far as Ginkel goes @ IWCC, Huskers got a big F-U from IWCC on that. Nebraska lacks a history of recruiting kids @ IWCC. I feel like the school and it's football staff feel a little shunned off by the Huskers and Ginkel was their "F off" moment .

Finally, almost every coach in college football recruits Jucos. Myers does. Saban does. Every SEC school has landed at least 1 Juco in the past 2 years combined (most have taken a couple). Saban usually takes @ least 1 Juco per year. Osborne recruited Jucos. Arguably the 2 best LBs in Husker football were Jucos. No one is asking for Snyder but when you obviously have depth problems, do something to fix it. Don't just pout and say " In 2021 we should be fine". Build a pair for a change and grow up.

So taking JUCOs, any JUCOs, automatically solves depth problems?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Again you are using 20/20 hindsight with DLine recruiting. Basing what they should have done then on what you know after the fact.

The general consensus was that Collins was gone, but not Valentine. You were also counting on McMullen and Williams to be back and you had Maurice in the mix. Along with Stoltenberg and Freedom.

The 2015 class had 4 Dlinemen who were brought in to help replace those players.

During the 2015 season it was more a known fact that you had to replace the DLine coach than there was a known shortage of DLine players.

Recruiting players doesn't start in November when the JUCO signing day is Mid December.

 

[WHCSC]

Oh the grammar in this thread

 

[jlb321]

Again you are using 20/20 hindsight with DLine recruiting. Basing what they should have done then on what you know after the fact.

The general consensus was that Collins was gone, but not Valentine. You were also counting on McMullen and Williams to be back and you had Maurice in the mix. Along with Stoltenberg and Freedom.

The 2015 class had 4 Dlinemen who were brought in to help replace those players.

During the 2015 season it was more a known fact that you had to replace the DLine coach than there was a known shortage of DLine players.

Recruiting players doesn't start in November when the JUCO signing day is Mid December.

I think every decision is made with the best intentions but unfortunately history (hindsight) is often the ultimate and only way to judge whether the decision was correct or not

a decision can still be reasonable even if history proves it to be wrong, but leaders jobs are to make decisions given less than certain information ... history will often judge whether the correct decision was made


should we draft Sam Bowie or Michael Jordan
should I take the raiders -4.5
do I recruit player x or y
go for it on 4th down or punt

you are trying to make the best decision based on the limited info you have

sometimes history tells you it was the right decision, sometimes it tells you it was the wrong one
a decision can be reasonable at the time but still prove to be wrong

most thought Bill Callahan was a reasonable hire, same with Bo ... hindsight tells us they weren't

bottom line is I think hindsight is a valid tool to evaluate a decision as long as we understand that the decision isn't being made with all the info that is available a few days, weeks, years later. With some decisions it doesn't matter ... when you hire a coach it doesn't matter if it seemed reasonable at the time if they don't get the job done. Riley's job is high profile enough that ultimately history will tell us whether his decisions were good ones or bad ones based on wins and losses

 

[coachDubs]

My favorite contradiction on this board has to be this one.

You had to dig a little deeper to understand the depth of the comments. It's not black & white, at least how I read it from some people.

JUCO is good and bad. It's a short term fix, and a long term problem. It's obvious to me Riley came in and built for the future, instead of filling the plugs early on then facing the same issues in 12-18 months once they're gone.

2015 class
Mulligan as it was a transition. Dang near impossible to hit the JUCO ranks and land anyone worth a shit in 3 weeks (early signing) or 8 weeks (regular LOI day).

2016 class
First full class, are entering their redshirt freshmen (16 redshirted) year or true sophomore year (4 played). Do you really expect true freshmen to provide immediate depth? As a whole, no.

JUCO possibilities here, curious what positions did you want?

2017 class
His second full class, haven't even began fall camp. I anticipate 8 of them contributing in some fashion this season.

JUCO possibilities here, curious what positions did you want?

2018 class
His third full class, haven't even signed. Go on record now, without hindsight posting months after signing day, what positions he should go after.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I think every decision is made with the best intentions but unfortunately history (hindsight) is often the ultimate and only way to judge whether the decision was correct or not

a decision can still be reasonable even if history proves it to be wrong, but leaders jobs are to make decisions given less than certain information ... history will often judge whether the correct decision was made


should we draft Sam Bowie or Michael Jordan
should I take the raiders -4.5
do I recruit player x or y
go for it on 4th down or punt

you are trying to make the best decision based on the limited info you have

sometimes history tells you it was the right decision, sometimes it tells you it was the wrong one
a decision can be reasonable at the time but still prove to be wrong

most thought Bill Callahan was a reasonable hire, same with Bo ... hindsight tells us they weren't

bottom line is I think hindsight is a valid tool to evaluate a decision as long as we understand that the decision isn't being made with all the info that is available a few days, weeks, years later. With some decisions it doesn't matter ... when you hire a coach it doesn't matter if it seemed reasonable at the time if they don't get the job done. Riley's job is high profile enough that ultimately history will tell us whether his decisions were good ones or bad ones based on wins and losses

Those are different situations in my mind.

Second guessing or Monday morning QBing wrong decisions on the field is one thing.

But basing a decision to not recruit a DLinemen based on the decisions of others is quite different.

One could look back and say well the decision to go for it on 4th down was statistically going to fail more than it succeeds is a decision I can learn from. Potentially making a different decision next time.


The Boston Celtics still draft Len Bias every single time, his potential death doesn't come into play when they had to make the decision to draft him. Even though In hindsight it would have been smarter to draft someone else.


Edit- just to be clear, I am not arguing right or wrong decision. Looking back to see if it was the right decision is one thing. Was there information you didn't use that you could have to make a better decision? That is different than determining if you would have made a different decision based solely on what you knew then.

 

[jflores]

I'm not sure if Diaco was looking JUCO for OLB options but

they have started curating a few more options outside of Parsons and Redmond. Guys like David Alston and Elijah Wade.

Clouse said they will probably take an extra DE and two OLB this cycle with the Watts/Blades schollies in play.

 

[timnsun]

I don't think anyone has remotely said what you posted. We have a very small class upcoming. We could have achieved balance for the long haul with jucos...and next year's class would be a lot bigger. Going the JUCO route with even 3-4 of them, we would be sitting better number wise for the long haul. At that point, we could have done what the SEC does...take 1 or 2 a year to immediately fill a position of unexpected need.

Nobody has said we want the Bill Snyder plan.

Tom, you gonna address my question on talent, since you are convinced we had it already and should have won championships with it? You know, the NFL talent the last two years? You are, after all, the one claiming Eichorst couldn't have lied about the talent issue. If we were talented enough, why only 3 draft picks the last 2 years?

Maybe it seems we weren't as talented as you think we were.

 

[nebcountry]

You had to dig a little deeper to understand the depth of the comments. It's not black & white, at least how I read it from some people.

JUCO is good and bad. It's a short term fix, and a long term problem. It's obvious to me Riley came in and built for the future, instead of filling the plugs early on then facing the same issues in 12-18 months once they're gone.

2015 class
Mulligan as it was a transition. Dang near impossible to hit the JUCO ranks and land anyone worth a shit in 3 weeks (early signing) or 8 weeks (regular LOI day).

2016 class
First full class, are entering their redshirt freshmen (16 redshirted) year or true sophomore year (4 played). Do you really expect true freshmen to provide immediate depth? As a whole, no.

JUCO possibilities here, curious what positions did you want?

2017 class
His second full class, haven't even began fall camp. I anticipate 8 of them contributing in some fashion this season.

JUCO possibilities here, curious what positions did you want?

2018 class
His third full class, haven't even signed. Go on record now, without hindsight posting months after signing day, what positions he should go after.

Let's put JUCOs on hold for a minute. I get what Spinner is saying concerning talent. What he is pointing out is, imo, the most popular narrative on this board. Now back to JUCOs. I could see an argument for going after JUCO(s) DL after the DL collapse following the 2015 season. It seems like it's been awhile since we had a rush end that would get much attention, I suppose Randy Gregory was the last. And I suppose Freedom could come into his own this year, of course he is a converted TE, because we needed him to be a DE. If we are converting TE to DE, that seems a pretty clear signal of looking JUCO. That could be called hindsight I guess.

Hard to say what right now needs there are. Do Bradley, Bryant, Ozigbo, or Wilbon satisfy what we need at RB? Who is gonna step up at TE? The coaching staff is in the best position to answer those types of questions.

Concerning playing young players. I pointed this out not too long ago. Penn St won the conference starting a true freshman and a RS freshman OL. Yep, two youngsters on the OL starting. People cling to the thought that we have to redshirt. If there's talent coming in, the talent should see the field.

 

[coachDubs]

Let's put JUCOs on hold for a minute. I get what Spinner is saying concerning talent. What he is pointing out is, imo, the most popular narrative on this board. Now back to JUCOs. I could see an argument for going after JUCO(s) DL after the DL collapse following the 2015 season. It seems like it's been awhile since we had a rush end that would get much attention, I suppose Randy Gregory was the last. And I suppose Freedom could come into his own this year, of course he is a converted TE, because we needed him to be a DE. If we are converting TE to DE, that seems a pretty clear signal of looking JUCO. That could be called hindsight I guess.

Hard to say what right now needs there are. Do Bradley, Bryant, Ozigbo, or Wilbon satisfy what we need at RB? Who is gonna step up at TE? The coaching staff is in the best position to answer those types of questions.

Concerning playing young players. I pointed this out not too long ago. Penn St won the conference starting a true freshman and a RS freshman OL. Yep, two youngsters on the OL starting. People cling to the thought that we have to redshirt. If there's talent coming in, the talent should see the field.

At the risk of what? Collins and Valentine weren't for sure going to the NFL so do you really think NU could've effectively recruited a JUCO DT when both of our starters were junior's at the time and signs pointed to them returning prior to the season? Remember, recruiting JUCO's happen in the spring and summer of 2015, well before the season began.

DE's, full agreement and can probably dig up a post saying as much around that time.

You say it's hard to know now, and that's the point of my response. Saying something years later is easy, if someone has a stance on something then they should be able to say what JUCO spots we should recruit right now for the 2018 class.

Full agreement on younger players.

 

[nebcountry]

At the risk of what? Collins and Valentine weren't for sure going to the NFL so do you really think NU could've effectively recruited a JUCO DT when both of our starters were junior's at the time and signs pointed to them returning prior to the season? Remember, recruiting JUCO's happen in the spring and summer of 2015, well before the season began.

DE's, full agreement and can probably dig up a post saying as much around that time.

You say it's hard to know now, and that's the point of my response. Saying something years later is easy, if someone has a stance on something then they should be able to say what JUCO spots we should recruit right now for the 2018 class.

Full agreement on younger players.

I would think we're closer to full agreement than full disagreement. Depending on a JUCOs qualification status, they may have to sit a year anyway. So, a coach is left to look at his crystal ball and try to determine if future needs will be met. And you know all this already.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I want to play what if.

I can't seem to find a list of recruits for 2015, 2016 and 2017 with the dates they committed.

When I find this I'll post it. Then I want to know from the JUCO crowd, without the benefit of hindsight, which high school player you would scratch off the committed list in order to sign up a 2-3 JUCO players each year.

By that I mean, you can't pick KJJ based on the fact he isn't in the class now because there isn't one of us who thought he was not a good pickup when he committed.

 

[kaz36]

I want to play what if.

I can't seem to find a list of recruits for 2015, 2016 and 2017 with the dates they committed.

When I find this I'll post it. Then I want to know from the JUCO crowd, without the benefit of hindsight, which high school player you would scratch off the committed list in order to sign up a 2-3 JUCO players each year.

By that I mean, you can't pick KJJ based on the fact he isn't in the class now because there isn't one of us who thought he was not a good pickup when he committed.

The commitment list on this board has the commitment dates listed. It's on the right side. If you are on your phone, you may need to scroll over to see it.

 

[huskerfan1414]

I think every decision is made with the best intentions but unfortunately history (hindsight) is often the ultimate and only way to judge whether the decision was correct or not

a decision can still be reasonable even if history proves it to be wrong, but leaders jobs are to make decisions given less than certain information ... history will often judge whether the correct decision was made


should we draft Sam Bowie or Michael Jordan
should I take the raiders -4.5
do I recruit player x or y
go for it on 4th down or punt

you are trying to make the best decision based on the limited info you have

sometimes history tells you it was the right decision, sometimes it tells you it was the wrong one
a decision can be reasonable at the time but still prove to be wrong

most thought Bill Callahan was a reasonable hire, same with Bo ... hindsight tells us they weren't

bottom line is I think hindsight is a valid tool to evaluate a decision as long as we understand that the decision isn't being made with all the info that is available a few days, weeks, years later. With some decisions it doesn't matter ... when you hire a coach it doesn't matter if it seemed reasonable at the time if they don't get the job done. Riley's job is high profile enough that ultimately history will tell us whether his decisions were good ones or bad ones based on wins and losses

I never thought callahan was a good hire. Or pederson. Knew from the start it wouldnt work.
Btw, gotta start a thread on bowie/jordan.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Tom, you gonna address my question on talent, since you are convinced we had it already and should have won championships with it? You know, the NFL talent the last two years? You are, after all, the one claiming Eichorst couldn't have lied about the talent issue. If we were talented enough, why only 3 draft picks the last 2 years?

Maybe it seems we weren't as talented as you think we were.

Or they arent coached well.
Stop thinking that what happens in 4 years in college doesnt matter and destiny is decided by the stars next to your name when you are 18.
Im not blaming that all on Riley but if you thought the past few seasons had well coached players, both under Pelini and then under Riley and his old staff while he was getting his feet wet, youre delirious.
Dont read into that more than it is, ok? In other words, dont overreact as usual.
And stop worrying about Tom. Hes an idiot and everyone knows it.
(And sense you will probably overreact, no i dont think we had championship level talent then or now, ok?)

 

[timnsun]

Or they arent coached well.
Stop thinking that what happens in 4 years in college doesnt matter and destiny is decided by the stars next to your name when you are 18.
Im not blaming that all on Riley but if you thought the past few seasons had well coached players, both under Pelini and then under Riley and his old staff while he was getting his feet wet, youre delirious.
Dont read into that more than it is, ok? In other words, dont overreact as usual.
And stop worrying about Tom. Hes an idiot and everyone knows it.
(And sense you will probably overreact, no i dont think we had championship level talent then or now, ok?)

Thanks for answering for Tom. Yes, he is an idiot.

And I sense you have it in for me. But I'm probably overreacting.