These are your first two posts... then, when you aren't immediately recognized for being right in what you claim, you follow with this...
And every post afterwards was a variation of this. Do away with the smugness and you might be better received.
I don't think Hoosiers were flagged today
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These are your first two posts... then, when you aren't immediately recognized for being right in what you claim, you follow with this...
The second part where u said it isnt called much is pretty key. Also if you look at the play where our guy got called for it, there doesnt seem to be much there. Also you can see maurice ask the ref twice why he was flagged and the ref didnt answer him it appears which makes it all the more head scratching.
Most people that watch a good amount of football games dont hear this call being made very often especially on a d lineman holding an o lineman.
The only thing I ever really see is DLinemen grabbing a jersey for a second to move the OLineman out of his way. Technically holding, but never called.
Again, read my posts with a shred of objectivity. Then try again. It won't happen...you are either too slow or too embittered to manage.
Time for you folks to get your "refs screwed us". "We deserve better" act ready for the Purdue game...the refs are really coming for you this week.
Ok.
I reread your posts. OMG, you are right and I just didn't see it before. Thanks for opening my eyes to the truth. The refs were clearly unfair to you as well. You mentioned that one time when Indiana was held. That along with them calling the non-fumble a non-fumble when it would have helped Indiana if they only called it a fumble proves that the refs had it in for Indiana.
Sarcasm aside, I acknowledged early on some of your frustration as Indiana fan. The line got killed... you guys have stuff to complain about as well. Fair enough. But this thread isn't about play calling or talent or coaching... it was about the refs. and if you can't see that the refs were a tad one sided in this game, then you, my friend, lack objectivity.
I've wondered whether this is one of the points of emphasis this year. In past years I've seen it called once, maybe twice a year. This year, through half a season, I've seen it called 6-7 times, including twice in one game.
Actually, you are the one who needs a remedial reading lesson and a dose of objectivity. The fact is, through the first 5 games of the season the officiating in NU games was pretty good. Not great, but the errors evened out pretty well, which is generally all you can ask for. You'll find most NU fans agreeing on this. The IU game was different. When you have a play where the tackle whiffs completely on the DE, the guard sees the DE running free and so grabs him from behind by the shoulder pads, and in the same frame of the TV screen you can see the official looking at the play, that's a bad no-call. Ok, one you can let go as a dose of temporary blindness. But when in the same series a DT is tackled from behind on 3 straight plays after he broke through the line, and again you can see the official looking right at the tackle in 2 of the 3 plays, then it's getting a little lop-sided. I don't think anyone's claiming the refs were on the take, just that this was a particularly bad day for the crew and the gross errors (not the bang-bang plays like the Newby fumble) went against NU. Any objective person can see that. In the Purdue game, if the crew is having a horrendous day like the crew in the IU game, maybe the landslide of bad calls will go in NU's favor. Maybe IU had a game earlier this year where they got screwed by an overwhelming level of bad calls. But we are discussing the 1 game that NU fans are concerned with now.
Sigh, as I suspected. You just aren't as smart and objective as courtsensetwo.
Surely, you realize you are trying to reason with a midschooler (maybe freshman or sophomore), which is clear from the level of writing and logic patterns. Those who have raised your own midschooler surely know two things -
1. reasoning skill isn't fully developed, yet and 2. Having the last word is more important than reason.
1. reasoning skill isn't fully developed, yet and 2. Having the last word is more important than reason.
"**Kevin Maurice said Saturday was the first time he had ever been called for defensive holding. John Parrella said he’d seen that called before but said it was very rare. In fact, Parrella said NU sent “quite a few plays” to be reviewed by the Big Ten office after the game."
Evidently the coaching staff thought there was quite a bit to complain about as well.
Evidently the coaching staff thought there was quite a bit to complain about as well.
The coaches must be whiny babies that don't understand Indiana had stuff to complain about too.
I wonder if Indiana coaches sent any plays to the B1G office for review as well?
Part of the philosophy for holding is, did they gain an advantage by holding and did it effect the play (obstruct offensive player). The rule is below. It is legal for a defensive player to 'hold' or 'move' an offensive player who is trying to block them. However, it is not legal for a defender is hold or restrict an offensive player who is not trying to block them.
Holding and Use of Hands or Arms: Defense
ARTICLE 4.
a. Defensive players may use hands and arms to push, pull, ward off or lift offensive players:
1. When attempting to reach the runner.
2. Who are obviously attempting to block them.
b. A defensive player legally may use his hands or arms to ward off or block an opponent in an attempt to reach a loose ball (Rule 9-1-5, Exceptions 3 and 4 and Rule 9-3-6, Exceptions 3 and 5):
1. During a backward pass, fumble or kick that he is eligible to touch.
2. During any forward pass that crossed the neutral zone and has been touched by any player or official.
c. When making no attempt to get at the ball or the runner, defensive players must comply with Article 3, paragraphs a and b above.
d. Defensive players may not use hands and arms to tackle, hold or otherwise illegally obstruct an opponent other than a runner.
e. Defensive players may ward off or legally block an eligible pass receiver until that player occupies the same yard line as the defender or until the opponent could not possibly block him. Continuous contact is illegal
Which one the defensive holding or block below the waist?
Both were not in the beginning of the year POE, but could have come up throughout the season as coaches turn in film for official reviews. Blocks below the waist (and all safety fouls) are unwritten, but talked about POE each week and throughout the season. I'm guessing a coach turned in defensive holding getting out of hand and officials made it a point to call it to eliminate it.
I'd venture to say both teams turned in plays. Happens every week in high school, NAIA, NCAA and NFL. Coaches usually turn in at least 2-5 clips they want reviewed for rules clarification and missed calls. Every penalty is submitted by the officiating crew for review.
Yep, I have no doubt that plays are submitted by both teams each week. It would be interesting to see how many from each team were submitted for this game. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Indiana submitted just as many, but I would be surprised if it were the same...
I really didn't need the rules posted. The offense already has enough advantages. Getting away with momentarily grabbing a jersey is one of the few things that benefits a defensive player.
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