I don't think Hoosiers were flagged today
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Like what? It was 10 to 1 calls in favor of Indiana. Newby knee was down. Your o line was mugging all day and the big punt return was made because of 2 or 3 blocks in the back. End of discussion.
Mine is as stated. Pointless to debate specific plays on this board, just pointing out that IU fans are complaining as well, but not blaming the loss on zebras. It evens out. Poor line play was the the culprit for IU. Exciting game though and Neb had a good crowd generally well behaved. Looking forward to traveling to Neb.
Indiana had poor line play... so did Nebraska. That evens out. Poor refs that seem one-sided doesn't even out.
I get that Indiana has something to complain about but for he most part, it wasn't the refs. Nebraska's beef with the refs seems legitimate.
No, you said they complained, then name it. I seen no calls that really helped Nebraska, and usually there is. So don't try to say something then deflect when called out
Courtsensetwo, what you are complaining about comes down to talent and ability. That's what football is supposed to be about.
What this thread is about is not 2 teams duking it out, with all else being equal. This is about two teams duking it out and one side has the benefit of the refs as well. That's apples and oranges.
I get that Indiana fan might be complaining, but they sure aren't complaining about the officiating, which is what this thread is about.
What this thread is about is not 2 teams duking it out, with all else being equal. This is about two teams duking it out and one side has the benefit of the refs as well. That's apples and oranges.
I get that Indiana fan might be complaining, but they sure aren't complaining about the officiating, which is what this thread is about.
Answered nothing, you said there are reasons, say them. I'll be objective, IF you have anything.
Bad calls both ways, it evens out.
Indiana fans would have loved to have a shot with 1:40 left when the Neb kid fumbled. The replay was inconclusive so whatever was called on the field was going to stand. Odd thing is that two...some say three refs signaled fumble while one signaled down. They went with down and the replay was inconclusive so down it is. Personally I am not complaining as it could have gone either way with no objective observer being upset. Some want a push off on at the 50 on the kid that made the circus catch. Some were upset about a perceived faked injury when Diamont has Neb on their heels in the red zone.
I saw uncalled holding on an IU punt return.
Fans whining about officiating is dumb unless it is a single call that changes the outcome at the end...particularly when they win.
His knee was down, fraction of a second earlier, it would have been a fumble. It was not inconclusive.
Sigh...As I suspected. Good game, good luck with the rest of your season.
You cannot be serious. This was probably one of the worst one sided officiated games I can remember. Indiana had nothing to complain about from the home cooking they got from the refs. The fumble you talk about was the correct call the knee was down before the ball came loose. The video evidence showed it. It may have only been a fraction of a second, but it was pretty clear his knee was down before the ball came out.
What I can tell you is that Indy got all the breaks from the refs, NU would have liked to have your long KO return called back from the TWO, not one but TWO blatant blocks in the back that were not flagged. We would also like your long TD run brought back from the blatant missed holding call at the point of attack. But we cant get those back and those plays led to 14 for you guys.
You guys had 45 seconds to go down and score a TD and the refs damn sure were trying to do everything in their power to HELP you guys do it. The first pass play play you guys ran (that we almost picked off) BOTH of your tackles were dragging down our DE's and yet not one flag on that play. The 2nd play (the one that thank god we initercepted the ball) Your Left Tackle literally almost tackled our DE and spun him totally around. Yet again no holding flag was thrown.
So please, dont come to our board after that shaft job we got from the refs and complain AT ALL about the officiating. NU was playing your team and playing against the zebras on Saturday and thank god we got that INT to seal the game cause I am damn sure the zebras were going to do everything in their power to help you guys get down the field for that winning TD if that drive kept going. Thats a fact.
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I believe the Newby play was called properly but thank God the officials on the field called him down and not fumble because if it was called the other way I think they would have said play stands.
How about your DB's holding our WR's arms and the ref's not calling pass interference. Or when we received an intentional grounding on our QB when he's throwing the ball at our RB feet due to Indiana stuffing the screen play? Do these guys even know what a holding call is? How about block in the back?
No, this crew was struggling big time. And the BS commentary about our fans "generally being ok"....best laugh I've had all day.
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No, this crew was struggling big time. And the BS commentary about our fans "generally being ok"....best laugh I've had all day.
GBR
Here's the difference under our new coach:
When the refs are sucking, like they CLEARLY were on Saturday, he doesn't lose his mind to the point of figuratively as well as literally losing control of his bodily functions.
Being able to deal with piss poor officiating to eventually get a call to go your way at the end of the game is a skill a coach (a professional) at this level should possess. Certainly there are some coaches sitting on top of the BIG east, for example, that can deal with the refs without losing control of themselves and the team.
Last year, we lost a lot of close games. This year, we are winning a lot of close games. Part of it is keeping yourself and your team under control down the stretch. You need to coach and play with that burn and emotion without going over the line. I think our current guy knows where the line is.
A 15 yarder to extend a drive in the 4th quarter can be the difference between winning and losing. Losing focus on a defensive play and missing your assignment can cost the team a touchdown in one play.
Still too many penalties overall, though. We don't clean that up the last month of the season is gonna be rough.
When the refs are sucking, like they CLEARLY were on Saturday, he doesn't lose his mind to the point of figuratively as well as literally losing control of his bodily functions.
Being able to deal with piss poor officiating to eventually get a call to go your way at the end of the game is a skill a coach (a professional) at this level should possess. Certainly there are some coaches sitting on top of the BIG east, for example, that can deal with the refs without losing control of themselves and the team.
Last year, we lost a lot of close games. This year, we are winning a lot of close games. Part of it is keeping yourself and your team under control down the stretch. You need to coach and play with that burn and emotion without going over the line. I think our current guy knows where the line is.
A 15 yarder to extend a drive in the 4th quarter can be the difference between winning and losing. Losing focus on a defensive play and missing your assignment can cost the team a touchdown in one play.
Still too many penalties overall, though. We don't clean that up the last month of the season is gonna be rough.
Says the fan of the team that got 90% of the calls on Saturday. And I could not disagree more. Crap officiating at the beginning of the game and in the middle of the game affects the outcome of the game exactly as much as crap officiating at the end of the game.
This is supposed to be a flagship conference, not a high school JV game.
As such, the BIG needs to hold its officiating crews accountable if they suck.
The conference certainly holds players accountable for things like targeting. Whether or not their team loses or whether or not it happens at the end of the game.
We should expect better from the officials than what occurred Sat.
Lol, No objective discussion allowed here...no sir. I just love the sense of entitlement. Your team was very fortunate to win an exciting game. Show some class.
It went both ways, sobbing about the officiating is such a losers game. Smh
Yep. The replay was inconclusive to any objective observer so the play was going to stand as called. Two officials said fumble and one said down and they went with down. Break for Neb. That is how it goes some days. Great game.
The reason for being hesitant for the flag for intentional grounding is due to 'keys' and 'mechanics' of a 7-man crew. The Referee (white hat) has QB and protection of the QB until the play has ended or he's out of harms way. Once that protection has ended he has to then determine if 1) QB was trying to conserve time or yardage and 2) if he's still within the tackle box. If both are true then he has to go to the Head Linesman or Line Judge (both on line of scrimmage) to see 1) if there is an eligible receiver in the area or 2) if it crossed the line of scrimmage. If both are false, then we have a flag for intentional grounding.
By rule, this was Grounding. QB was still inside the tackle box, ball didn't cross the line of scrimmage, and pass was thrown forward to conserve yardage. Newby was about 9-10 yards away from where the ball landed.
Illegal Forward Pass
ARTICLE 2. A forward pass is illegal if:
f. The passer to conserve time throws the ball directly to the ground (1) after the ball has already touched the ground; or (2) not immediately after controlling the ball.
g. The passer to conserve time throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-II-VII)
h. The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-I).
[Exception: It is not a foul if the passer is or has been outside the tackle box and throws the ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended (Rule 2-19-3) (A.R. 7-3-2-VIII-X). This applies only to the player who controls the snap or the resulting backward pass and retains possession before throwing the forward pass.]
PENALTY [f-h]—Loss of down at the spot of the foul [S36 and S9].
Good lord...look the refs might have sucked but Indiana AND the refs were not part of some fix. Just stop it.
The OPI was a good call. Brandon sought out and made contact with defender with allowed Newby to catch the pass. Pass thrown beyond the Line of Scrimmage.
In my opinion officials KNOW when one team gets called a lot and one doesn't. No doubt in my mind it is POSSIBLE things can "even out" in the fourth quarter, but probably not if the wronged coach acts like a lunatic the first three quarters.
Also, from my experience with leadership, if I panic during crisis, my team panics. If I am calm, my team will usually spin down and focus. That was always my biggest gripe about the conniptions on the sideline. Not so much it made Nebraska look bad, but that it caused the team to lose focus (IMHO).
He was not 9-10 yards away he was 6.5 yards away and it was certainly a call when that close that doesnt always get a grounding call made. Like I said this was an iffy call.
Just re-watched the non-fumble by Newby. Anybody who says that call was questionable is not being objective. Several camera angles show that his knee was CLEARLY down prior to him losing possession of the ball. Saying otherwise shows nothing but bias.
So I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt... but you seem to lack objectivity here just as you are accusing husker fan of lacking objectivity.
Husker fans have been pointing out play after play where the refs threw the flag against us. 10/1 flags against Huskers/Hoosiers. Most objective fans of college football would recognize the disparity here... but you don't.
Maybe you are the one not being very objective, and on a Husker board no less.
My advice? Know your audience. And don't be surprised if Husker fans might be miffed at your smugness in this thread.
Edit: and I can be just as smug... let me try...
You team was very fortunate to even be in a position to win this exciting game. 17-0 to start before we let you back in.
See how silly I sound? Apply it to yourself now. Smugness doesn't work well on opposing fan's boards.
Nothing was clear about it. Any objective observer agrees with this, but I understand that those folks appear to hang out elsewhere. Either call on the field would stand. Tough break for IU, but not a bad call IMO.
It's your board...tell it the way it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. That is the privilege of being a fan.
Right back at ya.
So if the refs had managed to hand you guys the game and we were complaining about crap officiating after the loss...... then what?
My "sense of entitlement" includes expecting referees to call holding when a DT is being tackled in front of a ref when that same ref has called holding on Nebraska earlier in the game. If you think that's wrong, so be it. Accepting that kind of crap leads to more of it.
Feel free to provide some objective discussion anytime. There's no rule against it.
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Read my posts again. Never expected this nonsense from Husker Nation. Disappointing.
You're so disappointed in us your last 10 or so posts have all been in this thread.
What's more sad, Nebraska fans pointing out obvious blatant bad officiating on our own board and believing the conference can do better or an Indiana fan hanging out here for 2 days pointing out that he doesn't like that opinion?
Go read your board if there is one. Whatever your fans are saying about the game / officiating / outcome I could give a chite about. I guarantee you, whatever that opinion is, you won't find me up there calling out your fans over it.
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Quit being an ass. You come to this board and accuse us of being unreasonable because we can't see how even the game was. Officiating was bad but you counter with the one call where they got it right (your words: not a bad call at all) and how we were fortunate to get that call.
And then all you do is be smug and "disappointed" in Husker fans for telling you the officiating was bad.
You lost in spite of the refs. Deal with it on your own board. If you can't come over here and show some respect, this is the treatment you will get.
That's just it. When in your lifetime have you ever seen a defensive lineman trying to hold on to an OLineman? They are trying to get around OLineman, not hang on to them.
Great response. Say what you mean.
Most first timers here at least try to come in peace... I even tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you have made it extremely difficult. You've been a Dick almost from the start.
And you wonder why people aren't seeing your point of view...
You actually see it quite a bit, but it isn't called much, it still is a penalty. Teams that have a lot of plays with pulling guards or tackles, you'll see it a lot vs them.
Another one that will cause a lot of confusion is a block below the waist on the defense. The defense can never go low on a non-ball carrier. Again this happens against pulling linemen and LB/S/CB go low on those lineman.
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