Got my vaccination today....

SnohomishRed

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The bulk of the covid cases and transmission occurs in the age groups 18-24 and 25-49. I've felt that the best way to reach herd immunity as fast as possible is to target these age groups and would also keep the economy moving by keeping workers productive. I've found a study that seems to support my assumption.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/02/01/science.abe8372

From the report:

Abstract
Following initial declines, in mid 2020 a resurgence in transmission of novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) occurred in the US and Europe. As COVID19 disease control efforts are re-intensified, understanding the age demographics driving transmission and how these affect the loosening of interventions is crucial. We analyze aggregated, age-specific mobility trends from more than 10 million individuals in the US and link these mechanistically to age-specific COVID-19 mortality data. We estimate that as of October 2020, individuals aged 20-49 are the only age groups sustaining resurgent SARS-CoV-2 transmission with reproduction numbers well above one, and that at least 65 of 100 COVID-19 infections originate from individuals aged 20-49 in the US. Targeting interventions – including transmission-blocking vaccines – to adults aged 20-49 is an important consideration in halting resurgent epidemics and preventing COVID-19-attributable deaths.

Are you suggesting a 30 year old should get vaccinated before a 65 year who is 1100 times more likely to die. Young people get covid more often because they know their risk of dying from it is small. They therefore go to parties hang out with friends all the things that cause infection. All that is fine because for them its the flu for older people its deadly.

That type of thinking that only 30 year olds have a life and work is symptomatic of the times I guess
 
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You know.....AGAIN I wish I had not started this thread, but blessings to all of you who have lost loved ones friends, etc....I AM glad that I fit the age (68) and job(teacher)....

AND I HOPE I have NO reactions to the second shot...

Blessings and peace...
 
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Are you suggesting a 30 year old should get vaccinated before a 65 year who is 1100 times more likely to die. Young people get covid more often because they know their risk of dying from it is small. They therefore go to parties hang out with friends all the things that cause infection. All that is fine because for them its the flu for older people its deadly.

That type of thinking that only 30 year olds have a life and work is symptomatic of the times I guess
I'm saying that the sooner we reduce transmission rates below 1, the more lives that will be saved overall. One possible way to reduce transmission faster is to vaccinate the demographic where the most transmission is occurring.
 

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I'm saying that the sooner we reduce transmission rates below 1, the more lives that will be saved overall. One possible way to reduce transmission faster is to vaccinate the demographic where the most transmission is occurring.
Well in just a couple of months it won't make a difference as we'll be to the point where anyone in the U.S. can get vaccinated. No less than Joe Biden himself has promised that happening in May. I'm a big critic of Joe Biden but based on projected vaccine production schedules, he's at least right about that.
 

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i've read there may be a link between having had COVID and a higher risk of side effects from the vaccines. There are several viruses that have a more severe effect on us with subsequent exposures. Sometimes, maybe rare, but additional exposure is not beneficial.
How do people not see that this is common sense? Why would you want to provoke another immune response after your body already figured out how to deal with the first infection? What do people think auto-immune disorders are?
 
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How do people not see that this is common sense? Why would you want to provoke another immune response after your body already figured out how to deal with the first infection? What do people think auto-immune disorders are?
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Not a medical professional but I'd guess it's the same reason as why you get a second shot of vaccine. It's to strengthen the antibodies.

Also the antibodies from the vaccine apparently are somewhat different than those from an actual infection. I know someone who had Covid and has been donating blood plasma that's used for recovery in other patients with the virus. He's been told that he cannot donate blood AFTER he's had the vaccine because the antibodies are somewhat different from the vaccine and haven't been studied yet for donation purposes. They told him, however, that's probably a temporary ban that will be eased after further study. Nevertheless there's some difference in the antibodies.
 

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Not a medical professional but I'd guess it's the same reason as why you get a second shot of vaccine. It's to strengthen the antibodies.

Also the antibodies from the vaccine apparently are somewhat different than those from an actual infection. I know someone who had Covid and has been donating blood plasma that's used for recovery in other patients with the virus. He's been told that he cannot donate blood AFTER he's had the vaccine because the antibodies are somewhat different from the vaccine and haven't been studied yet for donation purposes. They told him, however, that's probably a temporary ban that will be eased after further study. Nevertheless there's some difference in the antibodies.
I'm fine with the idea of booster shots, but it does seem strange that all other vaccines that use 2 or 3 step immunization practices all spread out the boosters much more than 3 or 4 weeks.
 

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You know.....AGAIN I wish I had not started this thread, but blessings to all of you who have lost loved ones friends, etc....I AM glad that I fit the age (68) and job(teacher)....

AND I HOPE I have NO reactions to the second shot...

Blessings and peace...
wait, you are a 68 year old teacher? RETIRE DUDE ;)

My wife is a teacher. She is gonna retire as soon as she is eligible.
 

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Are you suggesting a 30 year old should get vaccinated before a 65 year who is 1100 times more likely to die. Young people get covid more often because they know their risk of dying from it is small. They therefore go to parties hang out with friends all the things that cause infection. All that is fine because for them its the flu for older people its deadly.

That type of thinking that only 30 year olds have a life and work is symptomatic of the times I guess
The thinking here is that the older generation can more easily isolate themselves, as most of them are retired.

Doesnt make that correct, just stating the reasoning. And I was apparently incorrect, it was Indonesia that was planning that way.

Indonesia’s very different vaccine plan (news.com.au)


It's more vaccinate the "working age"
 

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Just to add to anecdotal evidence, the day after my second Pfizer shot, I had some sore joins and was tired. The second day, I had chills for about 4 hours (of course it was -11 degrees so could have just been cold). My 80 year old father had no side effects at all (we got dosed the same days, father son bonding). My 75 year old mother has gotten both Maderna shots with no side effects but she's a hard headed old broad who probably wouldn't admit to them anyway. I'd rather have some mild side effects than go to the hospital.
 
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The thinking here is that the older generation can more easily isolate themselves, as most of them are retired.

Doesnt make that correct, just stating the reasoning. And I was apparently incorrect, it was Indonesia that was planning that way.

Indonesia’s very different vaccine plan (news.com.au)


It's more vaccinate the "working age"
I heard that theory and it was really based on racial equity. The fact is many states tried that and it did not work. It did not work because many younger and healthy people dont want the vaccine, they dont feel threatened by the virus enough and do not trust there is a long term track for issues with them. So initially vaccine were being wasted or just used as they saw fit. When they opened up the vaccine to 65 and older that is when people were lining up to get it. The plan to vaccinate younger people was horribly flawed and not based on sound reasoning. Some states ignored the "Woke" plan and were vaccinating based on age
 

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Got my first dose the other day. Arm was real sore yesterday and didn't feel too good but powered through the
 

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Actually, could have retired a while back....love what I do...soon, though....:)
From reading your posts over the years, you seem to be ONE of those people who the schools they teach in are going to struggle to replace when you retire. Our own local schools had several teachers retire over the past five years that ruined their math, science and foreign language intsruction. It's so damned sad to see the people who replaced them struggle to be remotely competent.

Our school district is fairly large and teachers from surrounding districts aspire to get a job in it. IMO, there's a real lack of dedication to their profession that I see from many younger teachers. It's a just do enough to get by once you get in the district attitude. Students used to take AP classes in our high school which amounted to 3 years of instruction then test out of 4 years of college Spanish or German. Likewise our math and chemistry teachers prepared their students well. Now we've got kids with a 4.0 and having had AP Calculus flunking out of college calculus. What's the problem? Man teachers in our town live a nice life style with their incomes and have outstanding benefit packages. Their salaries are competitive with many other degree programs and yet it seems we're attracting people who really don't give a crap about excelling in the classroom.
 

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Just to add to anecdotal evidence, the day after my second Pfizer shot, I had some sore joins and was tired. The second day, I had chills for about 4 hours (of course it was -11 degrees so could have just been cold). My 80 year old father had no side effects at all (we got dosed the same days, father son bonding). My 75 year old mother has gotten both Maderna shots with no side effects but she's a hard headed old broad who probably wouldn't admit to them anyway. I'd rather have some mild side effects than go to the hospital.
it sounds like most older people actually take the vaccine effects easier than younger people.
 

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From reading your posts over the years, you seem to be ONE of those people who the schools they teach in are going to struggle to replace when you retire. Our own local schools had several teachers retire over the past five years that ruined their math, science and foreign language intsruction. It's so damned sad to see the people who replaced them struggle to be remotely competent.

Our school district is fairly large and teachers from surrounding districts aspire to get a job in it. IMO, there's a real lack of dedication to their profession that I see from many younger teachers. It's a just do enough to get by once you get in the district attitude. Students used to take AP classes in our high school which amounted to 3 years of instruction then test out of 4 years of college Spanish or German. Likewise our math and chemistry teachers prepared their students well. Now we've got kids with a 4.0 and having had AP Calculus flunking out of college calculus. What's the problem? Man teachers in our town live a nice life style with their incomes and have outstanding benefit packages. Their salaries are competitive with many other degree programs and yet it seems we're attracting people who really don't give a crap about excelling in the classroom.
I HOPE , on the one hand, they at least MISS me...might mean I made some difference...but trust me, there are times I think my oldness holds these kids back...not feeling sorry for that...
 
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I HOPE , on the one hand, they at least MISS me...might mean I made some difference...but trust me, there are times I think my oldness holds these kids back...not feeling sorry for that...
I'm sure they will. I see the same thing in my profession from too many young professionals who turn the phone off at 5pm and only worry about the size of their paycheck and number of days off. People often don't appreciate service providers whether it's a teacher, doctor. or parts man until the new guy proves he doesn't care as much.
 
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I'm sure they will. I see the same thing in my profession from too many young professionals who turn the phone off at 5pm and only worry about the size of their paycheck and number of days off. People often don't appreciate service providers whether it's a teacher, doctor. or parts man until the new guy proves he doesn't care as much.
I had a teaching friend that would get to school at 7 and leave at 5pm. I asked him why he stayed so late and he said "I treat it like a regular non-teaching job, and when I leave at 5pm, I am done for the day, I don't do anymore work, I hang out with my family"

I thought that was an interesting way to look at it.

You mentioned kids doing well in HS and then not doing well in college. I tell me classes that they are prepared for college and the issue will not be their course work or lack of study skills. I tell them the issue they will have will be time management.

They go from 8-3pm, then off to a sport or club or job. Then they get to college and often times their day is totally done by 11am or their first class is not until noon or they don't have any classes on certain days.

How will they use that time, will they prepare, review, study? Or will they run to grab some starbs with their friends, hit up the gym, play video games, scroll through TicTock.

And I am not saying there are not bad teachers (I am one of them!) but most are pretty darn good.
 
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88% of covid-related deaths occurred in countries where obesity is higher than 50%

too bad nobody had the spine to admit this is by far the #1 through line of those who suffer worst from this disease. it's been beyond obvious to anyone with two working brain cells to rub together, but not to those who suck fear porn straight from the media/bureaucratic firehose.

masks, sanitization, all that crap is lipstick on a pig. it's nice, and may work marginally when carried out to perfection, but it's all meaningless if your baseline is generally unhealthy.

I (a true hero) was saying this on this very board exactly 1 year ago. take care of yourselves, folks. the best defense is a good offense!

 
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I had a teaching friend that would get to school at 7 and leave at 5pm. I asked him why he stayed so late and he said "I treat it like a regular non-teaching job, and when I leave at 5pm, I am done for the day, I don't do anymore work, I hang out with my family"

I thought that was an interesting way to look at it.

You mentioned kids doing well in HS and then not doing well in college. I tell me classes that they are prepared for college and the issue will not be their course work or lack of study skills. I tell them the issue they will have will be time management.

They go from 8-3pm, then off to a sport or club or job. Then they get to college and often times their day is totally done by 11am or their first class is not until noon or they don't have any classes on certain days.

How will they use that time, will they prepare, review, study? Or will they run to grab some starbs with their friends, hit up the gym, play video games, scroll through TicTock.

And I am not saying there are not bad teachers (I am one of them!) but most are pretty darn good.
I am a true oddball...I get to the building between 5-5:30 before the day is compromised by interactions with humans...I get my Bible read, my emails for the day sent, any touch ups to my lessons of the day completed...and sometimes I take a nap...

I'll admit something here because I know exactly ONE of you(who hardly posts).....I love my job and my situation so much that I struggle to want to leave it...I'm paid well enough, plus my tennis lessons are a great side hustle(as my wife has taken to calling it...) and i frankly like feeling needed....I'm apprehensive about losing that...I've seen people leave too early and they die...literally.

So there you have it...true confessions....:)
 

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I am a true oddball...I get to the building between 5-5:30 before the day is compromised by interactions with humans...I get my Bible read, my emails for the day sent, any touch ups to my lessons of the day completed...and sometimes I take a nap...

I'll admit something here because I know exactly ONE of you(who hardly posts).....I love my job and my situation so much that I struggle to want to leave it...I'm paid well enough, plus my tennis lessons are a great side hustle(as my wife has taken to calling it...) and i frankly like feeling needed....I'm apprehensive about losing that...I've seen people leave too early and they die...literally.

So there you have it...true confessions....:)

I have no intention of retiring from my teaching gig, I love it. It is a blast. Even if I do retire, I imagine I will sub in my building a few times a week.

What do you charge for tennis lessons?
 

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Actually, how times have changed...when i first started this, my mother in law got me a sign that said:
"Watch the ball
Bend your knees
That will be
$20 please!"

And I thought..."SOMEDAY I'll make $20 an hour!!!"
 

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Actually, how times have changed...when i first started this, my mother in law got me a sign that said:
"Watch the ball
Bend your knees
That will be
$20 please!"

And I thought..."SOMEDAY I'll make $20 an hour!!!"

Do you usually get a lot of kids signed up?

I used to make good cash for football camps.
 

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