I was hoping you'd tell me. It's not happening here. So you tell me why it needs to be our problem.
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Every once in awhile, someone just gets it. Great post.
That's two rogue individuals in what, 14 years? I'd love the number to be zero, but if two incidents in 14 years is your proof that the U.S. doesn't try at counterterrorism, you are definitely living in a different world.
It's not happening here? Not even a little? Are you proposing we wait until another 9/11 to take place before it "needs to be our problem." If a dirty bomb goes off in the middle of Israel is it not our problem? We shouldn't be bothering with this Paris thing, didn't happen here, not our problem.
We bomb with ROE that occasionally gets in the way. Been there, done that, frustrated as hell at times. But we're not a handful of rules changes from winning these wars.
Its also worth noting that the CIA is not bound by the ROE that the DoD is. So reconcile that how you will.
I really genuinely respect your posts so I hesitate a little ....
These are people. People with parents. People with children. People with dreams. People with aspirations and unmet goals just like us. For the most part, they were born in the Middle East and that wasn't a choice that they made.
I didn't have a choice to be born in the most prosperous nation in the world. I'm incredibly thankful for it. I also recognize I didn't earn the American title by virtue of some inherent talent or skill.
When I hear "whack a mole" or whatever, I can't help but remind myself that these are real people. The slaughter of innocent Muslims breaks my heart the same as the atrocity in Paris. Our hate is fueling ISIS. The rising tide of anti-Muslim rhetoric is going to be used as a recruiting tool against us.
Pacifism isn't the response either. I'm not stupid. However, I don't use a guillotine to shave in the morning.
Look long Beav.
You aren't getting much support on this. Your 26 posts garnered 1 like.
What about you, tough guy? Active duty or retired?
For those of you that think our military actions have lead to ISIS, a reminder that these people have been fighting others and each other for thousands of years, long before the USA existed.
"Whack a mole" was in reference to the tendency for a new branch/incarnation of a terrorist cell to pop up as soon as it seems progress is being made against another. I don't think it was meant to refer to any/all Muslim people.
Yah, I think that's where most folks struggle.
When you look at what's thrown out, and the giant disconnect between problems and proposed solutions, its pretty laughable. Its basically non-sensical.
Every once in a while, someone arrogantly thinks he/she invented reasoned thoughts/arguments and passive aggressively states as much.
Just because these people have been froggy doesn't mean that we didn't play a role in the formation of certain groups. There is no AQ-Iraq if there is no Iraq war. ISIS went from there.
You can look through the thread for yourself, and I certainly don't have all the answers, but there's everything from nuke them all to shut down every business that ever tangentially remotely related to terrorism.
Most have no basis in reality, other than the fact that we're pissed at ISIS and its the thing we can think of when our fingers hit the keyboard.
It doesn't take inventing reasoned thinking to see that.
The thousand of people raped, tortured and murdered every year by terrorists also are innocent.
And his like-minded anarchist liberal sycophants are the enablers for anti-American, anti-western terrorism.
We wiped out Nazism. We're gonna have to wipe out those who worship . . .
Weak willed American men are gonna have to sit this one out and those willing to fight evil are gonna have to win the debate. The PC war proscribed by Obama and those who voted for him is a recipe for failure.
Most of the solutions proposed here have to do with the US killing them in some form or another, so that ISIS can't.
And his like-minded anarchist liberal sycophants are the enablers for anti-American, anti-western terrorism.
We wiped out Nazism. We're gonna have to wipe out those who worship . . .
Weak willed American men are gonna have to sit this one out and those willing to fight evil are gonna have to win the debate. The PC war proscribed by Obama and those who voted for him is a recipe for failure.
Yah the FBI doesn't have any problems with neo Nazis.
Finally someone who recognizes AQI as the predecessor to ISIS.... Now I feel like we're getting somewhere.
AQI got too violent for core AQ and they were booted.
Wow, you think the Nazis of WW2 are as big of a problem as radical islam. You're part of the problem and have the blood of 9-11 and Paris on your hands.
I don't see how nuking the ME in an existential war of survival is at all positive for potential ISIS rape victims.
Actually if you would do a little research you would see that there have been a couple of attacks per year in the U.S. since 2008. However, due to pure dumb luck, a large number of them have been unsuccessful (shoe bomber, underwear bomber and New York car bomb). None of these terrorist were rocket scientist. Most of them did not act alone and in fact received training overseas.
Additionally, even if the number was only 2, I suspect the relatives of those victims don't consider the number insignificant.
This "Tough Guy" has a handicap, no branch of the service wanted me, not even as a remf. If you have a heathy body, I'll trade you. I'm 69 yrs old and I will kill as many of these assholes as possible when they bring their BS here.
How 'bout you? What have you done Mr. Lib?
How 'bout you? What have you done Mr. Lib?
And his like-minded anarchist liberal sycophants are the enablers for anti-American, anti-western terrorism.
We wiped out Nazism. We're gonna have to wipe out those who worship . . .
Weak willed American men are gonna have to sit this one out and those willing to fight evil are gonna have to win the debate. The PC war proscribed by Obama and those who voted for him is a recipe for failure.
That you think the Nazis are comparable shows what a moron you are. If you tried to write a book on military strategy you wouldn't produce enough pages to wipe your ass with.
Stop using logic against the false dichotomy.
If the US wanted to be a gigantic pain in the ass, to anyone or anything, the reality is, we could do it. I get that for every action there is a counter, and I suspect there are (among other things) lots of higher ups that have lots of influence (personal / business) that prevent the U.S. from following through with lots of things it could do.
That's the dirty little secret. A country this big is too big to protect from everything. If you start "Red Cell-ing" (ie playing the what if game for the DoD), there's a myriad of ways people of ill intent can kill Americans. You can't defend against them all.
Snohomish and a few others have indicated that success is only when the number of attacks is zero, well, long story short, the number will never be zero.
Really who said kill every Muslim - see that is the mantra some people have - not one person has stated they care what religion someone is not one person has stated all Muslim are responsible. It is however naive to believe that there is not a group of Muslims who believe in control and death to people who do not think as they do.
Whack a mole belongs to the belief if you confront these guys in one place they just pop up in another so why bother.
These are not just murderers this is a religious movement rooted in the radicalization of the muslim faith. If you do not go after it with all you have it will not just go away but get worse
One might start with, how does one commit nuclear genocide against Syria, when the Russians have a naval base there, and are in the country fighting for the survival of their assets and a dictator ally?
I hate the terrorists too, but I don't want to restart MAD over ISIS. In fact, having Russia nuke us in retaliation for nuking Syria, is pretty much the opposite intent of launching nukes at ISIS to begin with.
Just heard U.S. planes took out some gas tankers in Syria which were helping ISIS. Beaver, what are we doing? It's not our problem, don't we understand? What a waste of perfectly good oil that ISIS could have used to not bother us.
Rational thought: America defeated Nazism.
Irrational thought: Nazism is equal in threat as Radical Islam
Rational thought: Defeating Radical Islam is possible just as defeating the pro-slavery movement was possible.
Irrational thought: concernedstudent1950 told me that wanting to defeat radical islam makes one a racist. So I don't want to defeat it. I just want to put out a sign declaring my safespace. I know radical islamists will respect my sign and leave me alone.
Irrational thought: Nazism is equal in threat as Radical Islam
Rational thought: Defeating Radical Islam is possible just as defeating the pro-slavery movement was possible.
Irrational thought: concernedstudent1950 told me that wanting to defeat radical islam makes one a racist. So I don't want to defeat it. I just want to put out a sign declaring my safespace. I know radical islamists will respect my sign and leave me alone.
Sadly, I've read dozens of posts across social media where people are openly supporting the idea of killing every Muslim. In retrospect, I projected my frustration at reading that crap into this thread. I'm sorry about that.
We both agree that America has a problem. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "go after it with all you have". If you believe that pouring on additional military force is going to solve the problem, I'm going to respectfully disagree.
It isn't even feasible to kill every member of ISIS or everyone who is an ISIS sympathizer. So if that's the "goal", we need to find something more realistic. Keep in mind that each time American security is remotely threatened we spend money like it going out of style.
I dunno if people are oblivious to the concept of winning a war by bankrupting your enemy but we've been on a glide path since 9/11.
You seem to be, for a start. But maybe you aren't. Unless you are suggesting some form of counter-narration and doing propaganda drops against the Islamic faith in the ME.
Edit: My thoughts echo EyeLuv's comments to yours above.
The left in this thread has done a good job of giving away their allegiance. Ironic that progressives don't understand that progress means winning the war against those who advocate a theocracy and/or anarchy. Of course Bill Ayers is their defacto God. No one said progressives were smart. And if someone did, they were wrong.
No offense her but to jump to the conclusion with "Whack a Mole" I refer to open season any Muslim - why in the world would you jump to that conclusion;
Our hate is fueling ISIS. The rising tide of anti-Muslim rhetoric is going to be used as a recruiting tool against us. This is a bunch of BS these people hate us and our way of life and consider us not worthy to be alive - Our hate is not fueling ISIS their belief and how they interpret their religion is fueling ISIS - I know everyone wants to believe in peace and love but every last one of us could profess love to these people and they would still kill you
These are people. People with parents. People with children. People with dreams. People with aspirations and unmet goals just like us. For the most part, they were born in the Middle East and that wasn't a choice that they made. So were the people killed in Paris and in 9-11 Again no one is saying every Muslim is responsible, however there is a large number of supporters in the Muslim community for some of the ideals of these groups
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