Did you want Miles fired?
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At the end of every basketball season I read " next year will be better." I like the eager anticipation and enthusiasm some of you have but based on the performance under TM reality says it will be more of the same on the court.
I look at it in terms of return on investment. Mike Riley is the 42nd highest paid coach in NCAA football. In his 2nd year, at 9-4 he finished ranked higher than his pay grade. Tim Miles, OTOH, is app. the 28th highest paid basketball coach (similar in salary to Dana Altman and Fran McCaffrey). He is performing well below his pay grade...in Year 5. He just finished with a 6-12 record in conference, and his worst record ever at Nebraska. For the amount of dough we are spending, I think we can do better.
As brutal as the end of the season was...I still thought you bring him back unless you know you can land a guy at the top of your list. I know the OWH reported we put out some feelers but I question if that's really the case(looking to fire Miles) or if Eichorst was just doing his due diligence. Now, I just hope for a Minnesota like turnaround for next year.
From a different angle, would be interesting to know, if Miles met his Contract and Performance Goals? What were those goals? How many goals? How were those goals weighted? What is the criteria to meet those goals? Not going to attempt list to any goals, I do have a curiosity, but could be multitude of items. My other curiosity is who set the goals? Was Miles able to set his own goals or was this a joint effort? How were the goals structured? We're the goals easy to meet or were they at least challenging? Lots of questions but do believe this played a big factor in Miles keeping his job, whether we like it or not.
exactly right. NU has been a basketball coach career killer FOREVER. Granted our commitment to Bball has improved, but I just don't see us being able to attract anybody other than an up and comer, and that is a crap shoot at best. We HAVE to IMO continue to show commitment to the program and A coach for a while to prove that we're serious. I think NEXT YEAR (for rrthusker) is going to be a pivotal year for our program. Either we take a step or we'll probably start all over again. People forget how football plays in to this. With the teeth gnashing about SE and the uncertainty with Riley's performance, prospective basketball coaches have to wonder "IF SE hires me, will he still be the AD in a year?" IF Riley tanks next year, all bets are off. We need to get back on stable ground with our entire athletic department. We haven't had that since Tom retired and Dollar Bill left as AD.
I would suspect his performance goals were set much higher than 13th in scoring offense and 12th in scoring defense in the conference and 6-12 and 12-19. With our early exit from the tournament, an argument can be made that we are the worst team in the conference. All of this in YEAR 5.
I know, I am genuinely curious to see how many people actually want SE fired. For all the outcry of Miles being retained, I assumed the numbers would be different than this poll suggests. At the time of me posting this, we are around 55% of people wanting Miles retained. I wonder what the numbers would be for SE. Is it a vocal minority, 50/50 split or a majority?
Would agree with the criteria listed. How this didn't come into play or didn't have some impact keeps poking at my curiosity (into how Miles retained his job). Don't see how this weighed very high on his evaluation, which leads me to more questions, like did Eichorst meet with the players to get a read on their view of the season and coaching? Were revenue goals achieved with the product put on the floor?
Going based on the season performance goals - failed, product revenue goals were met, media communications - met, fan expectations - failed, future expectations, recruiting - met. Just seems puzzling to understand what actually was the deciding factors to keep this type of performance in line with athletic department's goals.
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I get that your agenda to get Miles fired; you're only willing to look at the last 3 years. Why not look at the whole body of work? I think that's why Tim is still employed by the way, because of his complete body of work. It's worth looking at his conference peers over the last 4 years, understanding that there are some new entries like Maryland and Rutgers and some coaching turnover. I've listed the coaches pay, and then the basketball program Big record over the past 4 years:
COACH SALARY 2016-2017 2015-2016 2014-2015 2013-2014
1. Izzo $3.5M 8 2 3 3
2. Matta $3.4 M 11 7 6 5
3. Crean $3.2 M 10 1 7 9
4. Beilein $2.8 M 6 8 9 1
5. Ryan (Wisc)$2.4 M 6 4 2
6. Painter $2.4 M 1 3 4 12
7. Turgeon$2.4 M 2 4 2 NA
8. Miles $2.1 M 13 11 12 4
9. McCaffrey$2.0 M 7 5 5 6
10. Gard (Wisc)$1.8 M 3
11. Groce $1.7 M 9 12 8 8
12. Pitino $1.6 M 4 13 11 7
13. Collins (NW)$1.4 M 5 9 10 11
14. Pikeill (Rut)$1.4 M 14 14 14 NA
15. Chambers $1.0 M? 12 10 13 10
Here is the 4 year return on investment, the 4ish (Maryland, Rutgers only 3 yrs) year average conference ranking:
Michigan State (4)
Ohio State (7.25)
Indiana (6.75)
Michigan (6)
Wisconsin (3.75)
Purdue (5)
Maryland (2.67)
Nebraska (10)
Iowa (5.75)
Illinois (9.25)
Minnesota (8.75)
Northwestern (8.75)
Rutgers (14,easy math)
Penn State (11.25)
You can see who Nebraska's peers are. Also you can clearly see that, for the most part, if you want to go dancing, top 7 in the conference, a little tradition and a little more money are helpful. Nebraska is in the right neighborhood money wise but we don't have the luxury of history like Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, etc. Just have to wonder if Miles can trend more towards a top 7 finish than being bottom 4 in the conference. Evidently Eichorst wants to see where things are trending as well. GBR
In year 5, I definitely expected better than this. Why has Miles won everywhere except here? I know we're recruiting some good talent, but is it the right talent for what he's trying to do offensively? What exactly is he trying to do?
I'm thinking they put some feelers out and couldn't get anyone worthwhile to bite.
Personally, the idea that we're returning a really "talented" team next season is a reason to bring in a new coach.
I'm just not convinced the talent is going to be any better. I hope that I'm wrong. I'm tired to Nebraska being one of the worst Power 5 programs.
I wanted him fired if all the the proper plans were in place, e.g., coaching interest, players transfer evals, etc.
Onward. I'll be supporting Miles next year while he's the coach at Nebraska.
Onward. I'll be supporting Miles next year while he's the coach at Nebraska.
I definitely say give him one more year. Our first Big recruits are only sophomores this year (Watson and Morrow), i think we should see how this guys lead the team next year with Roby and coo another's year older. If we fire him, theres chances Watson and or Morrow Transfer out (maybe not Morrow since hes a legacy). One more will NOT kill us. Lets see how a junior Watson and Morrow lead there team and im guessing our center Jord should see better minutes and play that mich better.
supposedly some feelers were put out to see who might be willing to look at NU and there was NO interest. None. IMO, we are going to have to stick with Miles until it is absolutely certain there is no chance of him being successful because A) we have been a basketball coach career killer and B) At least he has finally gotten some good high school talent to NU. Best since Nee but still IMO a notch below some of the guys Nee brought in or as much as some of the other B1G schools have brought in this year. IF a move is ever made, don't expect a "name" coach to take NU's job. It just isn't going to happen unless you offer insane money that we can't afford.
I'm very interested to see if Copeland can 1. play and 2. stay healthy. I think the kids will grow and play better. I think have Gill back and healthy helps as well. I believe we'll see a different team next year. Maybe I'm just hopeful but I think that we have talent. I still think this team was pretty much slapped by losing White. All we can do at this point is hope that they figure this out going into next season and support them and Miles. At the end of the season we'll see what happens. I think Miles lucked out this year with injuries and with losing White. I think that helped him keep his job. Now, he has no more excuses.
Andrew White couldn't even lead Syracuse (who has made 2 Final Fours the past 4 years) to the NCAA tournament this year. He would have made very little difference in the win column for us.
Wow! The Huskers pay Miles $2.1 mil. Unbelievable. That much for a losing coach. Another March Madness and no "Go Big Red". I live 1600 miles away and haven't been to a game since the Huskers upset a Beasley led K-State. Wonder what would happen if no one showed up for one or two games. Would that force SE's hand to do something to make the team relevant?
I wanted, and still want Miles to pull his head out, and start earning his money by coaching guys up.
It is also what has been said after each time we got rid of one coach and got another.
