Danny Langsdorf- "But it's hard to convert three runs in a row. "

[HuskerDana]

This is the statement that he made in regards to not making commitment to the run game. He stated that they were just trying to "mix some passes in there". This should be all we need to know about Danny Langsdorf's approach to offensive football. Scary.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Langsdorf doesn't belong here

 

[red rover 70]

We didn't need to convert. We just needed to continue running the clock. If we converted that would be frosting on top of the cake. Dumb comment all around. There was a reason i starting calling Andy Little Diesel. We are like a cold weather NFL team. And they need to understand that Pittsburgh, Denver, Washington and Green Bay all won championships with running a power game. A pro offense isn't exclusively passing the ball. Riley and especially Langs better figure that out really fast!

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Dude needs to go sit with Tom Osborne and learn a thing or two about football.

 

[Archie Graham]

Hahaha. This board has lost it's mind….if it ever had one. I'm outta here.

 

[SEMO_yogi]

Hahaha. This board has lost it's mind….if it ever had one. I'm outta here.

Haha, Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

 

[chicolby]

Only in the years when Nebraska had stifling defenses did our "run only" offense produce National Championships. You have to be effective at both and in my mind, a 50-50 split is by far a D coordinator's biggest fear. We have to be good at both. Period.

 

[TheBeav815]

Dominant ground game is the bigger fear. You can get lucky and catch a passing team on a bad day. QB is off or dings his throwing arm, WRs have the drops, it's rainy, (COUGH COUGH) it's very windy.

A great running team is going to punch you in the face for 4 quarters and make you play correct, nasty football for the full duration. That translates to any weather.

You have to be punishing on the ground. Period. The teams with trophies all have highly capable ground games.

Running doesn't guarantee rings, but the teams with rings can all run.

 

[kikdakan]

Dude needs to go sit with Tom Osborne and learn a thing or two about football.

someone can probably set my comment straight, but, i thought i heard comments made that riley and osborne did meet at one point (shortly after the hire) and TO had made a comment that one needs to run the ball.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Riley did meet with him and Tom said that you can't wing it around in cold weather and expect to consistently win. Langsdorf needs to hear the same thing.

 

[cubsker]

you don't need to run all the time. you don't need to throw all the time. you don't need to be 50/50 or 60/40 or 25/75. You need to not be a dipshit and be able to adapt to the specifics of the individual game.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Riley did meet with him and Tom said that you can't wing it around in cold weather and expect to consistently win. Langsdorf needs to hear the same thing.

Passing I believe is just more flashy to them for some reason - fact is line up and play the power game you will be amazed at how quickly the defense starts playing better and the whole team becomes tougher

 

[Sooner_or_Later]

We still ran the ball over 52% of the game vs Illinois. Am not sure why you are surprised we are around a 50/50 split. The days of running 70% of the plays are gone people and learn to live with it.

 

[TheBeav815]

someone can probably set my comment straight, but, i thought i heard comments made that riley and osborne did meet at one point (shortly after the hire) and TO had made a comment that one needs to run the ball.

Yeah, and you can take a guy who hates customers and sucks at customer service to a motivational speech about how you should *LOVE* customers and he might do a little better for about a week. But don't be surprised when you've having to write him up again in a couple months because he mouthed off to a customer.

Pass-first guys want to pass first.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

I thought the third down call at the end was bad. What was worse was throwing it on first down three different series in the fourth quarter...against the wind...in the spitting rain...with a 13 (or later six) point lead. You know who does that? Al Golden. We are no better coached than a Golden team.

 

[SnohomishRed]

We still ran the ball over 52% of the game vs Illinois. Am not sure why you are surprised we are around a 50/50 split. The days of running 70% of the plays are gone people and learn to live with it.

This is not about how many pass plays we run vs running plays - Its a philosphy about what is most important to the coaches. When in doubt, when you really need a play what are they calling * a pass play* They are not commiting to the run and therefore cant count on it when they need it the most. Think the int in OT at Miami - why call a pass play in this instance - think of all the red zone passes against S. Miss and BYU

This coach simply does not get it - I am all for balance but this team/program needs a running identity not a passing one - hweck a great example is the S. Alabama game we were runnning for almost ten yards a clip yet they still felt the need to pass

 

[HuskerDana]

We still ran the ball over 52% of the game vs Illinois. Am not sure why you are surprised we are around a 50/50 split. The days of running 70% of the plays are gone people and learn to live with it.

I have no problem with a 50/50 split..... I just have a problem with a 50/50 split when we were playing in gale force wind conditions. Especially when we are moving the ball pretty well on the ground.

 

[HuskerDana]

... and to add to that, even if we were disregarding the wind, our quarterback could not had a donkey in the ass with a handful of gravel on that day.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Here is a great example of why they need to switch thinking on the passing offense

VS Illinois

* First three series were three and outs for our offense as follows: (1st series) Pass incpl - run 7yds - run 2yds, (2nd series) run - 6yds - run 1yd, pass incl, (3rd series) run 2yds, pass 5 yds, pass incl --- so three bad series for offense and not once did he call three run plays in a row and two of the series ended on an incomplete pass on 3rd and short

* Then the 4th series which resulted in a TD

- run 11yds
- run 4yds
- pass incomplete
- run 32 yds
- pass incomplete
- run 19 yds

So despite rolling pretty good on the ground he still feels the need to call pass plays - they do not hurt us this time as the running plays went for big yards each time. So all well and good you would think that after this series he has it figured out and dials up a bunch of running plays until Illinois actually can stop it

Not so here is the next NU series

* pass incomplete
* pass for 6 yds
* pass incomplete

Now does this make sense to anyone ???? you find something that works and decide well lets try something else - complete stupidity

 

[Sooner_or_Later]

Illinois was daring NU to throw the ball with the way they were crowding the line and bringing the safeties down into the box. It's all about taking what the defense if giving you. The plays were there to be had but we didn't make the plays.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Illinois was daring NU to throw the ball with the way they were crowding the line and bringing the safeties down into the box. It's all about taking what the defense if giving you. The plays were there to be had but we didn't make the plays.

And yet if you go look at the play by play we were still very effectively running the ball and ineffectively throwing it - if it works why go to something that is not working

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Here is a great example of why they need to switch thinking on the passing offense

VS Illinois

* First three series were three and outs for our offense as follows: (1st series) Pass incpl - run 7yds - run 2yds, (2nd series) run - 6yds - run 1yd, pass incl, (3rd series) run 2yds, pass 5 yds, pass incl --- so three bad series for offense and not once did he call three run plays in a row and two of the series ended on an incomplete pass on 3rd and short

* Then the 4th series which resulted in a TD

- run 11yds
- run 4yds
- pass incomplete
- run 32 yds
- pass incomplete
- run 19 yds

So despite rolling pretty good on the ground he still feels the need to call pass plays - they do not hurt us this time as the running plays went for big yards each time. So all well and good you would think that after this series he has it figured out and dials up a bunch of running plays until Illinois actually can stop it

Not so here is the next NU series

* pass incomplete
* pass for 6 yds
* pass incomplete

Now does this make sense to anyone ???? you find something that works and decide well lets try something else - complete stupidity

While you're at it why don't you post the run-pass ratio in the second half of the game?

 

[ExxHusker]

I hope they give the ball to Oz until the Badgers don't want to play football anymore. He looked a bit like Rozier. Our identity needs to be established. Newby is not the back for the job. The stadium will go nuts if we pound Wisconsin into submission. I'm getting pumped thinking about the scene.

 

[GammaxuvirHusker]

This is the statement that he made in regards to not making commitment to the run game. He stated that they were just trying to "mix some passes in there". This should be all we need to know about Danny Langsdorf's approach to offensive football. Scary.

His statement only confirms what I feared when I learned our next OC was coming from the NFL - too much passing. He needs to go!

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Here is a great example of why they need to switch thinking on the passing offense

VS Illinois

* First three series were three and outs for our offense as follows: (1st series) Pass incpl - run 7yds - run 2yds, (2nd series) run - 6yds - run 1yd, pass incl, (3rd series) run 2yds, pass 5 yds, pass incl --- so three bad series for offense and not once did he call three run plays in a row and two of the series ended on an incomplete pass on 3rd and short

* Then the 4th series which resulted in a TD

- run 11yds
- run 4yds
- pass incomplete
- run 32 yds
- pass incomplete
- run 19 yds

So despite rolling pretty good on the ground he still feels the need to call pass plays - they do not hurt us this time as the running plays went for big yards each time. So all well and good you would think that after this series he has it figured out and dials up a bunch of running plays until Illinois actually can stop it

Not so here is the next NU series

* pass incomplete
* pass for 6 yds
* pass incomplete

Now does this make sense to anyone ???? you find something that works and decide well lets try something else - complete stupidity

Look at the 4th quarter! We have a 13 (and then a six) point lead and in our first three 4th quarter series he passes three times on first down...into the wind with a slick ball! Two of those first down passes were incomplete and led to two more plays and out. FINALLY on the last drive he started running the ball exclusively. If he does that at the start of the 4th quarter the game is a W. Inexplicable.

 

[rcnut223]

Recruiting the players needed to have both a running game and passing game is much more difficult

When just plain king recruiting either is hard, like at OSU you recruit what is easier to find. A pro style QB and a few wide receivers

 

[HuskerDana]

Illinois was daring NU to throw the ball with the way they were crowding the line and bringing the safeties down into the box. It's all about taking what the defense if giving you. The plays were there to be had but we didn't make the plays.

It should not matter if they are putting 10 men at the like of scrimmage. If you are moving the ball with consistency in those conditions, you keep doing it until they show they can stop it. Question, why do you think they were "daring" us to throw the ball.......and how did that work out?

 

[dinglefritz]

Do you guys remember the rainy terrible sloppy night in Columbia where we beat Missouri based on a pass behind the safeties. Do you know who sent down several messages to Bo that Mizzou's safeties were biting up and that the deep play action pass would work? Tom Osborne. Illinois's safeties were cheating up the whole afternoon and TA saw it. He just could not compensate for the wind. ONE deep completion could have opened up the run game immensely and put the game out of reach. I still wish we had run the ball more, but we had opportunities in the passing game.

 

[cubsker]

I hope they give the ball to Oz until the Badgers don't want to play football anymore. He looked a bit like Rozier.

wat?

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Do you guys remember the rainy terrible sloppy night in Columbia where we beat Missouri based on a pass behind the safeties. Do you know who sent down several messages to Bo that Mizzou's safeties were biting up and that the deep play action pass would work? Tom Osborne. Illinois's safeties were cheating up the whole afternoon and TA saw it. He just could not compensate for the wind. ONE deep completion could have opened up the run game immensely and put the game out of reach. I still wish we had run the ball more, but we had opportunities in the passing game.

We averaged 5.5 yards per rush. That's not good enough to just keep running the ball? Who cares if the safeties crept up a couple yards...we still were running well. That's Lansdorfs problem. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

 

[dinglefritz]

We averaged 5.5 yards per rush. That's not good enough to just keep running the ball? Who cares if the safeties crept up a couple yards...we still were running well. That's Lansdorfs problem. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

he's certainly smarter than both of us. You especially. You totally ignored the point that God himself sent messages down to Bo from on high to THROW THE BALL OVER THE TOP BECAUSE THE SAFETIES WERE BITING ON THE RUN even though it was cold rainy and windy. Keep spinning Tom.

 

[HuskerDana]

Do you guys remember the rainy terrible sloppy night in Columbia where we beat Missouri based on a pass behind the safeties. Do you know who sent down several messages to Bo that Mizzou's safeties were biting up and that the deep play action pass would work? Tom Osborne. Illinois's safeties were cheating up the whole afternoon and TA saw it. He just could not compensate for the wind. ONE deep completion could have opened up the run game immensely and put the game out of reach. I still wish we had run the ball more, but we had opportunities in the passing game.

dingle, I do recall that game. And yes, I do remember hearing about Dr. Tom suggesting this. Keep in mind, he did not suggest to Bo to continue to do this repeatedly, just heaving up prayers hoping that we could hit one of them. That really seemed to be our game plan in this one (the Illinois game). I have NO PROBLEM with doing that on occasion, but I think you keep pounding it at them first, then try to hit them with the big one occasionally.......given the conditions we were playing in. BTW, I have been MIA for awhile.....hope all is well.

 

[jflores]

We'll see where this heads. My preference would be to run the ball more, say 60% of the time, and show comittment to doing it on first down more often to get us in 2nd and medium or 2nd and short, and in more short yardage situations.

I think the prospects on third down/short yardage are probably pretty good, depending on the opponent first down will probably be a bit better, but I don't know that Langsdorf is going to flip the run-pass ratio on its head. You are who you are to a large degree. If we had Obrien or someone of that skillset, it probably wouldn't be a huge issue, but game 5 into a transition year we're putting a lot of load on TA.

 

[HuskerLegion]

And yet if you go look at the play by play we were still very effectively running the ball and ineffectively throwing it - if it works why go to something that is not working

Exactly

 

[HuskerLegion]

Here is a great example of why they need to switch thinking on the passing offense

VS Illinois

* First three series were three and outs for our offense as follows: (1st series) Pass incpl - run 7yds - run 2yds, (2nd series) run - 6yds - run 1yd, pass incl, (3rd series) run 2yds, pass 5 yds, pass incl --- so three bad series for offense and not once did he call three run plays in a row and two of the series ended on an incomplete pass on 3rd and short

* Then the 4th series which resulted in a TD

- run 11yds
- run 4yds
- pass incomplete
- run 32 yds
- pass incomplete
- run 19 yds

So despite rolling pretty good on the ground he still feels the need to call pass plays - they do not hurt us this time as the running plays went for big yards each time. So all well and good you would think that after this series he has it figured out and dials up a bunch of running plays until Illinois actually can stop it

Not so here is the next NU series

* pass incomplete
* pass for 6 yds
* pass incomplete

Now does this make sense to anyone ???? you find something that works and decide well lets try something else - complete stupidity

How much more evidence do u need than what is right here. The OC had to know where they were having success. But apparently it did not matter. Every game is different Im sure eventually the ratios will need to flip to the passing game being utilized more but that was not the case against Illinois and everyone accept DL could see it.

 

[barney44]

I'm not sure I'd put it past this coaching staff have the center of the field open all through a game and choose to throw to the outside instead..

 

[jflores]

How much more evidence do u need than what is right here. The OC had to know where they were having success. But apparently it did not matter. Every game is different Im sure eventually the ratios will need to flip to the passing game being utilized more but that was not the case against Illinois and everyone accept DL could see it.

Tommie Frazier had this to say on twitter:

"This is the first time I will question the play calling. Really!"

"It's a tough season for HuskerNation. We need to hang in there though and continue to show our support. It's going to take time. #Patients"

Posted after the botched 3rd down. For all the griping us fans are doing about the run pass ratio and the weather, TF seemed rather calm about the whole thing. I don't listen to his podcast so I didn't get to hear his expanded thoughts, but it is curious that the greatest Husker ever isn't in "hang the coaches" mode.

 

[TheNewNU]

What I don't get is why is Langsdorf getting all of the blame for calling pass plays that were clearly open and Tommy gets none of the blame for not being able to hit the broad side of a barn all game? I mean if he throws it in the same zip code as Westerkamp on that Go route we have a touchdown, If he throws the ball a yard shorter to Reilly we have a TD on the first play of the game. Don't act like we were throwing into triple coverage the whole game, I get that the runs were working but it's very clear that this coaching staff is going to run a balanced attack, which is what you need to be successful in today's game.

 

[studed]

Dominant ground game is the bigger fear. You can get lucky and catch a passing team on a bad day. QB is off or dings his throwing arm, WRs have the drops, it's rainy, (COUGH COUGH) it's very windy.

A great running team is going to punch you in the face for 4 quarters and make you play correct, nasty football for the full duration. That translates to any weather.

You have to be punishing on the ground. Period. The teams with trophies all have highly capable ground games.

Running doesn't guarantee rings, but the teams with rings can all run.

and teams that can run the ball in a in a power offense seem to play better defense than teams that throw it alot

 

[dinglefritz]

We averaged 5.5 yards per rush. That's not good enough to just keep running the ball? Who cares if the safeties crept up a couple yards...we still were running well. That's Lansdorfs problem. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

he's certainly smarter than both of us. You especially. You totally ignored the point that God himself sent messages down to Bo from on high to THROW THE BALL OVER THE TOP BECAUSE THE SAFETIES WERE BITING ON THE RUN even though it was a rainy mess . Keep spinning Tom.