I agree that it's stupid to treat the entire state the same. But those restrictions do not sound even close to a "lockdown".
Covid Cases & College Football
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contact tracing. yea, right.
"No person will be asked proactively if they attended a protest," Avery Cohen, a spokesperson for Mayor Bill de Blasio, told The City.
I agree with the protests. I just don't understand this. if you're going to contact trace, you know, then do it.
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news flash: if you dont do those things your number won't stay at 5. the unfortunate fact is places that dont alter their behavior a little bit will get smashed by the virus. so going ahead and accepting a little sacrifice is what will be necessary for the foreseeable future. in case you haven't noticed in locations that opened completely back up they got hit hard. none of those precautions looks life altering to me. i could live the rest of my life with those changes and it wouldn't even bother me. you aren't paying attention to what happens when you dont do them. its easier to do some small stuff then face a virus onslaught and close everything again
The CDC. Their website is difficult to navigate IMO and I found a table purely by accident that listed the numbers by state and included how they treated confirmed versus "probable" cases. I don't know if I could find it again or not. The statistics for this deal are a MESS. Anybody making sweeping declarations based on the CDC statistics needs to take a breath. The old actuarial rule about computers holds true here. Sh## in = sh## out. The CDC's own website states "reporting of deaths is not perfect". They also state that only 63% of deaths are reported to the CDC within 10 days. Only 80% of death reports are computer generated supposedly. I find that one hard to believe.
'accepting a little sacrifice'?
tell that to nightclub owners and employees, who are barred from operation.
this post is fraught with privilege.
Whoa guys. I was the one who originated the "basically lockdown" when I described the situation. It was never meant to be political, but to indicate the relative severity of the order.
Most of the issues in that order deal with severely limiting retail and restaurants (25 or less people, staff included, distancing, etc), which is going on most places, but the telework order is basically a short bounce from a full lockdown.
Texas has indicated they will not be locking down again, but Abbot has indicated that more restrictive operations might be necessary. When things opened up and business owners couldn't see enough money in it at 50 or 75% of capacity, they sure as heck aren't going to be cheering the capacities that PA has announced or TX may potentially announce even if governor's stay on this side of that lockdown line.
Frankly I think bar owners should get paid by any governmental entity that mandates they shut down. It's an easy fix. The bar owner just submits their and their employees tax returns and the city or state writes a check. The problem is for the wait staff and bar tenders. There's no way they're reporting cash tips.
meanwhile, let those whose paychecks haven't been affected tell them what they can and can't do work wise
I do not know how to post a poll on this forum, nor am I going to learn, but I have a suspicion that a very large percentage of people who support lockdowns or near lockdowns on this site, and America as a whole, still have their job, and most probably got free money over this deal. If somebody posted a poll, and if people answered it honestly, we'd see why so many are so quick to say "shut everything down"...because it hasn't affected their checkbook, yet.
IE-selfish.
IE-selfish.
I mean, you are describing a large portion of Americans. Even with the recent historic levels of job loss, most Americans remain employed even in the private sector. The nature of that employment has changed (remote work, etc), but paychecks have kept coming nonetheless.
Depending on where you look poll wise, 60 some percent of folks prefer to prioritize COVID response over the economy. That's an abnormally large amount of folks pulling one direction.
The problem with COVID and mandated shutdowns is that industries its touching, its absolutely obliterating. Restaurants, travel, tourism, etc. That's not normal in a regular recession.
Maybe they can get states to use a uniform method for reporting "positive" cases. Previously some states are including "probable" positives in their reporting to the CDC. When you start reporting somebody as a COVID death when you don't have lab confirmation, that's a problem for a statistician. Apparently nobody in New Jersey died of any other disease process than COVID over the past 3 months.
You mean they shouldn't count serological tests from 3 months ago as positive cases? Or inflate the case count by automatically including everyone a positive case has come in contact with? Shocked.
Or they could try to be creative on their business model and try something new. But that would require effort and creativity. Instead we want to bitch about how we are getting screwed and then put a hand out for free help... Social distancing is just being used as an economic bad guy in place of lack of willingness to change and adapt...
Folks are willingly sticking their head in the sand about "it doesn't hurt young people". The folks in charge have repeated over and over again about the fact the decision isn't going to be made based on charts showing young people "green across the board".
"Outkick the Coverage" described Sankey’s interview as “a positive outlook for the return of football this fall” — a different perspective from the bleak reception that spread when the commissioner told ESPN’s Paul Finebaum Monday “we have to see a change in public health trend to build the comfort that we’ll have an opportunity to compete this fall.”
Positive, negative or not, Sankey has repeated that the SEC’s football season hinges on whether there will be a positive trend in public health. He told Travis the same.
“There is concern,” Sankey said. “We’re dealing with an uncertainty… We’re in a situation where we have incomplete information, and the information you have doesn’t tend to say people are paying attention and we’re having the right kind of trend.”
I think if you look in that SI article I linked earlier about the Power 5 creating uniform requirements based on the NCAA guidelines, 2 of the 5 reasons to severely curtail or cancel the season were related to the broader public health.
Please explain to me how you "get creative" with a bar business model. I'm not a fan of wide open bars but damn man I don't know how bar owners and bar tenders are going to feed their families. On a moral basis, I'm not a huge fan of stand alone bars any more but they have a right to compensation IMO if government shuts them down for a health crisis.
Your original idea was fine, but no one at the local level has any money. So it ends up being Donald Dollars, and more of that is probably coming.
Then it ends up being contentious about whether its socialist or not, and whether its only socialist if particular people do it, but in the end, in a crisis the rules change.
Folks have probably heard the maxim, "there's no atheists in a fox hole". Its civilian corollary ... "there's no Austrian economics in a crisis" or maybe "we're all Keynesians now".
Perhaps @dinglefritz can weigh in, but my thoughts on the whole "mask up and save football"... we seem to have jumped the shark in most places.
With the amount of lag we get in measurement and reporting (inefficiencies aside) and incubation time of the virus itself, and conferences looking to 2 weeks to decision... it would seem to me we've passed the point of no return in terms of generating some dots going the other way on the graph and give everyone a warm fuzzy before they pull a trigger.
With the amount of lag we get in measurement and reporting (inefficiencies aside) and incubation time of the virus itself, and conferences looking to 2 weeks to decision... it would seem to me we've passed the point of no return in terms of generating some dots going the other way on the graph and give everyone a warm fuzzy before they pull a trigger.
there is not doubt that the Dem congressman caught on video making the comment about "this allows us to advance our agenda" has come to fruition. That said, when government takes your property they have to compensate you. IMO, it would be only fair for all of those states getting money from the feds for COVID and handing it out to cities, to compensate bar owners if they shut them down.
despite your wanting it to not be true it actually is. many cases are traced
well i wouldn't be against the idea of supporting some of these businesses during this time. it would be a lot better than just paying everyone indiscriminately $4000 per month. use the money in more targeted manner towards businesses and employees
i think your probably right. but i dont think most people want to shut everything down. i think most people want a targeted approach without a total lockdown. everyone knows there are a handful of activities that appear to be much higher risk than everything else. put some guidelines in place for businesses where crowds gather indoors. encourage masks and lets go
I've said for weeks, if we're using the test and quarantine model to play football this fall, we won't have football. There's no way that will work unless you're living in a biodome IMO. IF we're adding in that the general population has to be nearing zero deaths it was never going to happen. The only way we play football IMO is if we mitigate the risk for coaches and let the players be college kids. Clearly we're headed down the protect older people from themselves squirrel hole. We don't shut down football for the flu and they're at as much risk of dying of that as they are COVID. Young people die fairly often from myocarditis and pneumonia caused by influenza..
Ohio veteran, 37, who went viral for refusing to wear a mask, died of COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-veteran-37-went-viral-104446275.html
Also saw the guys Facebook page.. it's sad how many stupid comments are made there demonizing the guy. Yeah he made a mistake, but paid the ultimate price for it, and tried to warn others that it was indeed real before he died.
https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-veteran-37-went-viral-104446275.html
Also saw the guys Facebook page.. it's sad how many stupid comments are made there demonizing the guy. Yeah he made a mistake, but paid the ultimate price for it, and tried to warn others that it was indeed real before he died.
Problem is, targeted is anything fun. When you largely shutdown or radically alter sports, retail, food, and boozing....how many people are actually going to be happy with that targeted approach?
That's where we find ourselves.
we'll find out next week when baseball starts, I suppose.
2 weeks we'll have the NBA.
my guess is the ratings will be sky high for both, and baseball will push to have fans as soon as they can.
there's a lot of talk about college kids will be college kids and yadda yadda yadda as a reason the season won't work, but every other league has looked like this:
the kids want to play. we know that. I'm not sure we should just assume they'd jeopardize a year of eligibility to chase skirts. they're as close to pros as exists without receiving a paycheck.
the kids want to play. we know that. I'm not sure we should just assume they'd jeopardize a year of eligibility to chase skirts. they're as close to pros as exists without receiving a paycheck.
The argument has been used both ways. You can't stop college kids from socializing, but look at the green chart, play ball!
In any case, both sides seem to agree the most likely course of action is that kids won't be stopped. Your premise here is suppose its untrue.
Its a virus and infectious. CFB teams, like any other organization, have a range of opinions. From anti-vaxxers to folks who are genuinely afraid. It only takes one guy who doesn't give a damn about his eligibility to ruin it for the others, whether it leads to a cancellation of the rest of the season, or just a huge chunk of guys to miss a couple games because of tracing.
I've looked at a bunch of kids over the years and wondered how with their talent and the resources at NU's disposal, have let their laziness, attitude, or lack of discipline basically lead them nowhere. COVID will be no different. I'm highly confident we don't have 150+ people on the roster who will all cover down for everyone else.
Oof, looks like the situation is going to be real fluid in Nebraska schools this year.
Color chart. You move in and out of them as situation changes. At the orange level, recommend discontinuing things like football that are close quarters.
Presently Lancaster is Orange, and Douglas is Yellow. So you could have a situation where Lincoln is on hiatus from HS FB but Omaha is not.
https://omaha.com/news/local/green-...8d170ca.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
Color chart. You move in and out of them as situation changes. At the orange level, recommend discontinuing things like football that are close quarters.
Presently Lancaster is Orange, and Douglas is Yellow. So you could have a situation where Lincoln is on hiatus from HS FB but Omaha is not.
https://omaha.com/news/local/green-...8d170ca.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
As if supplying propaganda will help people and their sheepness.
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Congrats on being able to embed tweets...
Nothing in that post resembled anything close to a lockdown comparing to what was going on in a few states and many other countries earlier in the year.
I am against lock downs and I haven't had a day off yet. Been working extra in fact.
But in general it's the govt, academics, and work-from-homers who think everything should be shut down.
And teachers, who want to keep getting paid without having to face their little terrorists every day.
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