Cav needs to be gone

[yunginsNU2]

I can tell you this there is NO way we fire HCMR... the university couldnt do that to themselves... it would be such a negative press from that. I do believe that Mike would be asked to retire... that i could see but in the grand scheme of things.. we have some excellant recruiters and coaches already here... i mean guys that other teams want bad... i say keep Diaco...Williams.. Gorilla...and Bray....find a guy like Gundy...have him bring the rest of his staff to fill in the spots and lets freaking roll!!!!

 

[Cam82huskers]

Last year I got blasted on here for saying that coach cab needed to go but I forgive and forget coach cav is horrendous Barney cotton did a better job but I'm no cotton fan bring back an offensive lineman from the great old pipe lines we used to have

 

[jlb321]

If you were a top flight asst coach, given the current circumstances, would you hitch your star to Mike Riley??

 

[NikkiSixx]

I can tell you this there is NO way we fire HCMR... the university couldnt do that to themselves... it would be such a negative press from that. I do believe that Mike would be asked to retire... that i could see but in the grand scheme of things.. we have some excellant recruiters and coaches already here... i mean guys that other teams want bad... i say keep Diaco...Williams.. Gorilla...and Bray....find a guy like Gundy...have him bring the rest of his staff to fill in the spots and lets freaking roll!!!!

I'm curious what people think about Trent Bray as possible head coaching material. Not necessarily at Nebraska either. I know he's never been a coordinator, but something about the way the guy carries himself makes me think he is not currently in a position that utilizes his full potential.

 

[TheBeav815]

I agree it's time for Cav to go. There is enough talent there now that they should never get embarrassed like they just did against such a mediocre team as NIU. Not saying Nebraska is great but that wasn't Alabama that just played 4 quarters in the NU backfield.

 

[dinglefritz]

I would argue that the reason the negative things are repeated is because the crappy play - mistakes etc etc have been repeated each week to date in the season. Play a clean game and not look like a junior college team and I would guess the negative vine would decrease. Not really interested in celebrating individual battles when we are getting our ass kicked in the war

I'm talking about the same guys posting the same bitches in multiple threads over multiple days without substantive discussion of what went wrong. I really respect guys that come on here and break down a given play with what the responsibilities were and what the breakdown was. As we saw last week, when guys did that all of the sudden you realize that the guy that looked bad wasn't the one that started the cluster @%!#. One backer lining up wrong caused a long TD pass. One blocker taking the wrong guy probably caused a safety. One WR missing a block caused a pick 6. Not because they were coached wrong but because they had a brain fart or reacted too slowly. It's too easy to come on here and spew that this guy needs to sit or that guy needs to be fired, but few actually (including myself) actually take enough time to look at the why before they start blasting away. Saying, Cav sucks isn't enough. Is it him? Is it the play call? Was it something the DC did to confuse our O line? Was it a new stunt or blitz that they hadn't seen? Center starting his 3rd game as a center. RSFr starting his second game at tackle. The key for me is, what do they look like at the end of the year.

 

[Husker Sledge]

If Cav is let go this fall we had better find not only a good, experienced coach but a GREAT recruiter! It boggles my mind that Nebraska of all schools can't recruit elite OL. Someone who can actually identify big, ATHLETIC OL no matter what their * ranking is.

 

[dinglefritz]

If Cav is let go this fall we had better find not only a good, experienced coach but a GREAT recruiter! It boggles my mind that Nebraska of all schools can't recruit elite OL. Someone who can actually identify big, ATHLETIC OL no matter what their * ranking is.

We have on campus maybe one of the best O line classes since the pipeline days. One is starting already, one played at Oregon and I won't be surprised if 4 of them play significant minutes by the end of the year as redshirt freshmen. Heck we have a true freshman that has a shot at playing. Cav's recruiting hasn't been an issue.

 

[huskerfan1414]

I'm talking about the same guys posting the same bitches in multiple threads over multiple days without substantive discussion of what went wrong. I really respect guys that come on here and break down a given play with what the responsibilities were and what the breakdown was. As we saw last week, when guys did that all of the sudden you realize that the guy that looked bad wasn't the one that started the cluster @%!#. One backer lining up wrong caused a long TD pass. One blocker taking the wrong guy probably caused a safety. One WR missing a block caused a pick 6. Not because they were coached wrong but because they had a brain fart or reacted too slowly. It's too easy to come on here and spew that this guy needs to sit or that guy needs to be fired, but few actually (including myself) actually take enough time to look at the why before they start blasting away. Saying, Cav sucks isn't enough. Is it him? Is it the play call? Was it something the DC did to confuse our O line? Was it a new stunt or blitz that they hadn't seen? Center starting his 3rd game as a center. RSFr starting his second game at tackle. The key for me is, what do they look like at the end of the year.

Or maybe they aren't coached well enough?
Practice is part of a coaches job, ya know.

 

[dinglefritz]

Or maybe they aren't coached well enough?
Practice is part of a coaches job, ya know.

We'll see if they get better then I'll judge the job the coaches are doing. Go listen to Brendan Stai talk sometime about line play.

 

[huskerfan1414]

We'll see if they get better then I'll judge the job the coaches are doing. Go listen to Brendan Stai talk sometime about line play.

Don't assume I don't know anything about line play.
Also ask Brendan about how we practiced.
Three years...we just lost to NIU....and you still need more time before you say the coaches are doing a bad job.
You sir are an idiot.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

Maybe their shots will start falling soon. Just a matter of time!

 

[dinglefritz]

Don't assume I don't know anything about line play.
Also ask Brendan about how we practiced.
Three years...we just lost to NIU....and you still need more time before you say the coaches are doing a bad job.
You sir are an idiot.

I know exactly how we practiced. So tell me IF you know so much about O line play, tell me exactly what YOU would have done differently with our O line during the game. I won't call you names when you can't come up with anything coherent.

 

[huskerfan1414]

I know exactly how we practiced. So tell me IF you know so much about O line play, tell me exactly what YOU would have done differently with our O line during the game. I won't call you names when you can't come up with anything coherent.

Ugh....dingle you just refuse to understand. And you're doing it on purpose.

They. Aren't. Coached. Well. In. Practice.

In theory any scheme, as long as its an actual football scheme, can and should work against a team like NIU. Zone plays, man plays, option plays. Pas protection....you shouldn't need 6 in to protect but we obviously did.
Point is, it's not all about blocking schemes. It's about how they are coached in practice to be able to run the scheme on Saturdays, both mentally and physically. We obviously aren't ready to play, are we? Need three more years to figure that out Dingle? You act like we just lost to Iowa or something. No. Northern Illinois lost to BC at home this year and had a losing record last season. Avg star ranking is like 95th over the past five years.
So now do you understand my argument? They aren't prepared to play. We have improved ZILCH on the O Line in three years, in fact we may have gotten worse in that time. I don't need more time to admit that.

 

[dinglefritz]

Ugh....dingle you just refuse to understand. And you're doing it on purpose.

They. Aren't. Coached. Well. In. Practice.

In theory any scheme, as long as its an actual football scheme, can and should work against a team like NIU. Zone plays, man plays, option plays. Pas protection....you shouldn't need 6 in to protect but we obviously did.
Point is, it's not all about blocking schemes. It's about how they are coached in practice to be able to run the scheme on Saturdays, both mentally and physically. We obviously aren't ready to play, are we? Need three more years to figure that out Dingle? You act like we just lost to Iowa or something. No. Northern Illinois lost to BC at home this year and had a losing record last season. Avg star ranking is like 95th over the past five years.
So now do you understand my argument? They aren't prepared to play. We have improved ZILCH on the O Line in three years, in fact we may have gotten worse in that time. I don't need more time to admit that.

So how would you coach them differently in practice? Do you watch practice? Have you ever coached a college O line? Have you ever coached any position in college? What makes you qualified to make those statements other than that you're a Husker fan posting anonymously on a message board? Did the defense's calls play any role in our problems? Give me something concrete. This same coach with a horrible depth and injury situation last year managed to coach well enough for us to win 9 games last year. We still can win 9 games this year with a young guy playing center for the first time in his life and a RSF starting at RT because of an injury.

 

[huskerfan1414]

So how would you coach them differently in practice? Do you watch practice? Have you ever coached a college O line? Have you ever coached any position in college? What makes you qualified to make those statements other than that you're a Husker fan posting anonymously on a message board? Did the defense's calls play any role in our problems? Give me something concrete. This same coach with a horrible depth and injury situation last year managed to coach well enough for us to win 9 games last year. We still can win 9 games this year with a young guy playing center for the first time in his life and a RSF starting at RT because of an injury.

So in order to opine that the coaching, in year three of their tenure, at the University of Nebraska has been poor after a loss to a mid major team which had a losing record last year and lost to a bad team at home this year...I must have experience coaching offensive line at the college level?

Well, I guess you got me there.

You are also smart to point out that we have a few inexperienced players playing while not bringing up NIUs roster...and why should you? They are full of talented recruits and senior players across the board. Maybe when Riley has a class ranked 90th we will be able to beat them.

 

[headcard]

Honestly, I think there is a great deal of talent and experience on the OL. Guys like Foster, Gates and Farmer have a ton of both. No reason this OL should be this bad.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Honestly, I think there is a great deal of talent and experience on the OL. Guys like Foster, Gates and Farmer have a ton of both. No reason this OL should be this bad.

There are some very highly regarded recruits.
It's year three!!! It was NIU!
Why do I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...people can actually argue with a straight face that we can't tell yet whether the staff is doing a good job?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

So how would you coach them differently in practice? Do you watch practice? Have you ever coached a college O line? Have you ever coached any position in college? What makes you qualified to make those statements other than that you're a Husker fan posting anonymously on a message board? Did the defense's calls play any role in our problems? Give me something concrete. This same coach with a horrible depth and injury situation last year managed to coach well enough for us to win 9 games last year. We still can win 9 games this year with a young guy playing center for the first time in his life and a RSF starting at RT because of an injury.

Nah, unfortunately what many feared looks to be true. Tommy saved the Oline many of times with his legs. We don't have the luxury with Lee and it's showing.

 

[dinglefritz]

Nah, unfortunately what many feared looks to be true. Tommy saved the Oline many of times with his legs. We don't have the luxury with Lee and it's showing.

There is not doubt that once we spotted them 14 they kept pinning their ears back and coming and we didn't handle that well. They saw the interceptions last week and gambled they could rattle Lee and our O line. It was a team failure. Offense and defense. I'm not ready to give up on this staff or team. I've seen the Iowegians start out this way several times over the past decade only to see them turn things around and be a pretty darned good team by the end of the year. IF we don't turn it around then I'll worry about what happens.

 

[dinglefritz]

There are some very highly regarded recruits.
It's year three!!! It was NIU!
Why do I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...people can actually argue with a straight face that we can't tell yet whether the staff is doing a good job?

Highly prized recruits who are redshirt freshman. You don't watch practice. You have never coached the O line or any position in college and I doubt even at a high school. Have you ever even played in the O line in high school? Yet you told us it was how they were coached in practice that caused the problems Saturday. Maybe you feel like you are in the twilight zone because you are...

 

[CameronKrazie86]

The fact the right tackle (Farniok) kept getting abused over and over again with no help or being subbed out to try someone else is what stood out to me. I don't care who the backup is or what level of skill they have, when you have a right tackle playing that poorly and whiffing on blocks multiple plays, you gotta try someone else. I mean at least give him some help if you insist on not trying anyone else. How Lee can even walk today is a miracle to me after the hits he took yesterday.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Highly prized recruits who are redshirt freshman. You don't watch practice. You have never coached the O line or any position in college and I doubt even at a high school. Have you ever even played in the O line in high school? Yet you told us it was how they were coached in practice that caused the problems Saturday. Maybe you feel like you are in the twilight zone because you are...

A person does not need to be at practice, have played/coached Oline to know we are garbage at that position. All you need is two eyes. I get that you are a coach can do no wrong type poster...but good lord, the buck stops with Cavanaugh regardless.

 

[dinglefritz]

A person does not need to be at practice, have played/coached Oline to know we are garbage at that position. All you need is two eyes. I get that you are a coach can do no wrong type poster...but good lord, the buck stops with Cavanaugh regardless.

I think "garbage" is a little over the top. Clearly we haven't been good enough this year but nobody in their right mind blames last year on Cav with all the injuries last year. So I'm not going to throw him under the bus just yet. Stai has repeatedly said that it took EVERY line he played in at least 4-5 games to click together. He's talking pipeline and the NFL. He never had to play in college under duress with 2 guys that had never played a snap in college at their position. Not once. We've had 3 games with a guy starting his first year ever at center and 2 games of a redshirt freshman at right tackle. I'm not willing to write them off yet. I knew Farniok would struggle and make no mistake the majority of our struggles have been on that right side and up the middle. We'll see if Cav can fix it or not. IF not, something will change.

 

[Toms Wife]

For three years I keep hearing about our highly prized recruits. Yet, on average Mike's team rankings thus far are nearly equal or a little worse than Bo's. If we have such highly prized recruits on this team why isn't this showing up in the rankings?

 

[CameronKrazie86]

For three years I keep hearing about our highly prized recruits. Yet, on average Mike's team rankings thus far are nearly equal or a little worse than Bo's. If we have such highly prized recruits on this team why isn't this showing up in the rankings?

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most logical: The Riley coaching staffs have been worse than the previous staff.

 

[dinglefritz]

For three years I keep hearing about our highly prized recruits. Yet, on average Mike's team rankings thus far are nearly equal or a little worse than Bo's. If we have such highly prized recruits on this team why isn't this showing up in the rankings?

CMon Tom, that group of redshirt freshmen is highly thought of by every recruiting analyst and former player I've heard comment on them and you know that. Tough to beat out a returning 2-3 year starter but we may well see that at guard anyway before the year is over.

 

[oldjar07]

IF it still is at the end of the season Devaney will evaluate the situation and make a recommendation to SE. Hopefully our O line gets it together.

Why wait until the end of the season? This O line is horrible and isn't getting better.

 

[oldjar07]

I do not support keeping Riley on while all the assistants continue to get reshuffled and the reset button continues to get pushed. He had his chance but at 60+ years old with decades of coaching experience you cannot fail this miserably when naming your staff and keep your job. The entire defensive staff has been recycled and we are now on to the offensive side of the ball. I believe he said when he took the job he wanted one more shot at big time success. He had his shot and the program has deteriorated.

The reset button doesn't need to be pushed but Cav does need to be replaced. Why do you think replacing assistants gives Riley a free pass? It doesn't.

 

[oldjar07]

I can tell you this there is NO way we fire HCMR... the university couldnt do that to themselves... it would be such a negative press from that. I do believe that Mike would be asked to retire... that i could see but in the grand scheme of things.. we have some excellant recruiters and coaches already here... i mean guys that other teams want bad... i say keep Diaco...Williams.. Gorilla...and Bray....find a guy like Gundy...have him bring the rest of his staff to fill in the spots and lets freaking roll!!!!

Get rid of all of them. We don't have a single assistant that's a great coach.

 

[ridge22]

Watching the Redskins O-line blow people off the LOS (coached by Callahan). He did the same when he coached the Dallas O-line. Why weren't we better at the position when he was here? Seems like the position has been the worst on the team for a while.

The OL was not too much of the problem under Callahan. They produced some NFL Talent with Slauson, Nicks and Murtha. Also under Bo the OL managed to have averages well over 210 yards a game for most years.

I really think now that the issue is the style of offense and that it is a soft offense.

 

[cubsker]

the play calling sure doesn't help. we put in zig at RB and let him bang. he runs through about 5 guys for 8 yards on a pretty simple off tackle play. 2nd and 2....let's go to the shotgun and run zig on a sideways handoff. how stupid can you be? Line up in the 'I' and bang them again up the middle.