can Riley recruit with a 2-4 record?

[NebChicago]

How does 2-4 effect recruiting and therefore a 62 year old coaches shrinking tenure?

If this garbage season hurts recruiting + the fans diminishing faith in this staff + current player skills not matching Riley's scheme + Riley being a senior citizen = how does this all end well?

If we would've hired frost, his youth would generate excitement + his scheme would've matched current players + would've had Oregon type ideas RE: recruiting + his youth and homegrown status would've allowed for a more patient fan base = eichhorst did a poor job playing this thing through in his head

 

[timnsun]

Good recruiters can recruit no matter what the score or record is... It really is simple.

If I'm Riley, I highlight the opportunities for early playing time. I tell them they can help resurrect a tradition rich blue blood. I tell them we are 15 seconds away from being undefeated, and with their help, we win those...

If you just focus on the record and say woe is me, recruiting will suffer. It's how you present it to the recruits. Riley will be fine. I hope.

 

[Marine8365]

I don't think recruiting will be an issue. However, I honestly mean this with all the best intentions, if Banker isn't gone, then recruiting will suffer. I think I've read somewhere that HCMR was told to fire Banker after last season and he wouldn't........I don't think we need anymore proof that Banker isn't cutting it. DL will grown into his position and at times we do look good on offense, but an experienced coach like Banker should not be letting things happen like they are on offense....DL and LB coach can stay.

 

[NebChicago]

The D was stouter than usual yesterday. The dropped about 3 interceptions. It was the O that couldn't get anything done. But yes, most of the season D has been sad.

 

[shine003]

We give up 23 points and only 157 yards rushing to Wisconsin...fire the DC. Melvin runs for 400 yards and we get run out of Madison with Wisconsin showing us some mercy to boot...should have kept Bo. Oh and the talent on the defensive front 7 last year was FAR superior than this year.

 

[Nebraskaway]

We give up 23 points and only 157 yards rushing to Wisconsin...fire the DC. Melvin runs for 400 yards and we get run out of Madison with Wisconsin showing us some mercy to boot...should have kept Bo. Oh and the talent on the defensive front 7 last year was FAR superior than this year.

Let's talk about this year. I think we get POB, because nothing Armstrong is doing seems to ensure he will be starting next year. But if we go 4-7--what do you think?

 

[GaRed]

Recruiters can recruit anywhere....case in point Ole Miss, no reason in the world they should have landed a top class a few hrs back. Cash helps though.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

How does 2-4 effect recruiting and therefore a 62 year old coaches shrinking tenure?

If this garbage season hurts recruiting + the fans diminishing faith in this staff + current player skills not matching Riley's scheme + Riley being a senior citizen = how does this all end well?

A good salesman can sell in all conditions. There's a great argument to be made that there's opportunity to play early and that recruits have an advantage in that they are they type of player MR needs so again more opportunity to play early. If only the fans could stay positive and not scare away potential recruits.

 

[Nebraskaway]

Recruiters can recruit anywhere....case in point Ole Miss, no reason in the world they should have landed a top class a few hrs back. Cash helps though.

So does a book and a movie based on one of your players.

 

[supersport24]

We give up 23 points and only 157 yards rushing to Wisconsin...fire the DC. Melvin runs for 400 yards and we get run out of Madison with Wisconsin showing us some mercy to boot...should have kept Bo. Oh and the talent on the defensive front 7 last year was FAR superior than this year.

To be fair the Wisconsin offense was much better last year a cross the board. This is probably one of Wisconsin's worst offenses ever. Without a running game Stave still abused our secondary. People want to bring up Nebraska's injuries, but Wisconsin was beat up as well.

 

[DPDWU]

How does 2-4 effect recruiting and therefore a 62 year old coaches shrinking tenure?

If this garbage season hurts recruiting + the fans diminishing faith in this staff + current player skills not matching Riley's scheme + Riley being a senior citizen = how does this all end well?

If we would've hired frost, his youth would generate excitement + his scheme would've matched current players + would've had Oregon type ideas RE: recruiting + his youth and homegrown status would've allowed for a more patient fan base = eichhorst did a poor job playing this thing through in his head

If I am Riley I would use: right now we aren't very good but if we get players like you we can be. Obviously playing time is there in several positions. And obviously that goes without saying every other great thing we can offer. I don't think a bad season record wise affects it as much as some think. Most kids and their families that make decisions about schools to continue education and play sports are making a two year (if go juco) or four year commitment. Just my two cents

 

[HuskerO]

To be fair the Wisconsin offense was much better last year a cross the board. This is probably one of Wisconsin's worst offenses ever. Without a running game Stave still abused our secondary. People want to bring up Nebraska's injuries, but Wisconsin was beat up as well.

At the same time our offensive talent and defensive talent was better last year as well. Still doesn't justify a QB like Stave being able to abuse our secondary like he did.

 

[supersport24]

At the same time our offensive talent and defensive talent was better last year as well. Still doesn't justify a QB like Stave being able to abuse our secondary like he did.

Abdullah was playing hurt and would this staff actually let him carry the ball 25 times a game? I have my doubts. Tommy also has another year of experience. It's also not like Gregory was tearing it up last year. This is another game we should have won. Wisconsin lost much more than us. It's a good thing Aberdares wasn't back, or he might have had a Gordon version receiving day.

 

[HuskerO]

Abdullah was playing hurt and would this staff actually let him carry the ball 25 times a game? I have my doubts. Tommy also has another year of experience. It's also not like Gregory was tearing it up last year. This is another game we should have won. Wisconsin lost much more than us. It's a good thing Aberdares wasn't back, or he might have had a Gordon version receiving day.

He may have played hurt but a hurt Abdullah > any if our current backs by far. Impossible to say whether how many carries Abdulla gets with this staff but i wouldnt see any reason by he wouldn't get 20-25+ carries.

Wisconsin's second team > than Nebraska's. Not having a healthy Rose-Ivy, Bandaras and Freedom is a huge blow to an already thin front 7.

 

[timnsun]

Abdullah was playing hurt and would this staff actually let him carry the ball 25 times a game? I have my doubts. Tommy also has another year of experience. It's also not like Gregory was tearing it up last year. This is another game we should have won. Wisconsin lost much more than us. It's a good thing Aberdares wasn't back, or he might have had a Gordon version receiving day.

Maybe he doesn't get 20-25 carries a game, who knows? But I would say they would have gotten the ball in his hands in the passing game as well. Either way, he would have gotten his yards and hurt the opposition.

 

[supersport24]

He may have played hurt but a hurt Abdullah > any if our current backs by far. Impossible to say whether how many carries Abdulla gets with this staff but i wouldnt see any reason by he wouldn't get 20-25+ carries.

Wisconsin's second team > than Nebraska's. Not having a healthy Rose-Ivy, Bandaras and Freedom is a huge blow to an already thin front 7.

Bandaras is not very good. I will take Weber any day.

 

[jeans15]

Why don't we start playing freshmen....nothing beats experience in college football. Its obvious the future is what we are hoping for. Let's get it started.

 

[supersport24]

He may have played hurt but a hurt Abdullah > any if our current backs by far. Impossible to say whether how many carries Abdulla gets with this staff but i wouldnt see any reason by he wouldn't get 20-25+ carries.

Wisconsin's second team > than Nebraska's. Not having a healthy Rose-Ivy, Bandaras and Freedom is a huge blow to an already thin front 7.

Every team plays with injuries. You need to go check out other teams on our schedule. A lot are beat up as badly or worse than Nebraska. Bo also had a lot of injuries in the prior years and his most vital player was usually hurt. He still won 9 games some how. Injuries can't be an excuse when we go on to win 3-5 games this year. If we would end up 7-5, I could buy it, but some of the coaching and personnel decisions are puzzling.

 

[red rover 70]

Our curse will be a blessing. These heartbreaking losses have rocked us to the core. And the reason they have is cause we're oh so close we can even smell the victory. We just need some things to start going our way. And bringing in some young talented players will help do the trick.

 

[Night Goat]

Our curse will be a blessing. These heartbreaking losses have rocked us to the core. And the reason they have is cause we're oh so close we can even smell the victory. We just need some things to start going our way. And bringing in some young talented players will help do the trick.

Agreed. If we just execute and stop the stupid penalties, we're ok. We're not great, but we'll win some these cames against teams that aren't that great either. We get to great with some excellent recruiting.

 

[nebcountry]

How does 2-4 effect recruiting and therefore a 62 year old coaches shrinking tenure?...

There were some people saying that NU's program/facilities would help to lift Riley's recruiting. I don't mean this in a bad way, but this staff should be used to recruiting without a winning record.

IIRC, two players have decommitted. Neither fit what this team is supposed to look like moving forward, imo. Could we see more defections, maybe. Will our record hurt the chances of landing some of the "big fish". Players might be looking for a number of different things as a highest priority: a successful program, playing time, their prospective coaches personality, best visit "feel", etc. I'm just going to wait and see if we finish better than we started.

 

[HuskerO]

Every team plays with injuries. You need to go check out other teams on our schedule. A lot are beat up as badly or worse than Nebraska. Bo also had a lot of injuries in the prior years and his most vital player was usually hurt. He still won 9 games some how. Injuries can't be an excuse when we go on to win 3-5 games this year. If we would end up 7-5, I could buy it, but some of the coaching and personnel decisions are puzzling.

Agree about injuries for others teams as well but most of those teams have depth behind their starters. We do not have that quality depth yet.

 

[HuskerO]

Bandaras is not very good. I will take Weber any day.

While Weber has been a pleasant surprise, Bandaras being hurt has not helped this team. Same goes for Rose-Ivy. And Gangwish. And Freedom. And Valentine.

I'm sure there are others I'm missing.

 

[studed]

yes. with first year head coaches you are selling the future.

 

[supersport24]

Agree about injuries for others teams as well but most of those teams have depth behind their starters. We do not have that quality depth yet.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and the rest of the teams in the BIG West have depth issues also. People here just focus on the Huskers and arent invested in the other teams. Every team in our division have depth and talent issues. You don't see a remotely dominant team in our division. Wisconsin was playing freshman at lb yesterday, backup lineman, And a 3rd string rb etc.

 

[HuskerO]

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and the rest of the teams in the BIG West have depth issues also.

Then expand on those teams please on their depth issues. Because I don't believe their issues are remotely close to ours.

Wisconsin was playing freshman at lb yesterday, backup lineman, And a 3rd string rb etc.

Please expand on the "etc". You named 3 players. Not as bad as us.

Listen, to say that our injuries and depth hasn't been a problem is completely wrong. And to add "well other teams have it just as bad as us so we should be able to deal with it" it also absurd. Are injuries and depth the 2 sole issues of this team? No. But big issues nonetheless.

 

[newAD]

Bandaras is not very good. I will take Weber any day.

How can you say that, he was a 4 star recruit.

 

[newAD]

If you ate a lock down corner, stud LB, great pads rusher, you have to see opportunity here.

If you are a receiver, or OT then POB is a good reason to join him.

 

[supersport24]

Then expand on those teams please on their depth issues. Because I don't believe their issues are remotely close to ours.

Please expand on the "etc". You named 3 players. Not as bad as us.

Listen, to say that our injury and depth hasn't been a problem is completely wrong. And to add "well other teams have it just as bad as us so we should be able to deal with it" it also absurd. Are injuries and depth the 2 sole issues of this team? No. But big issues nonetheless.

The announcers gave you insight into Wisconsin's problems yesterday. They have as many depth issues as us. Here is the list I found for Minnesota since we play them next. We can do a weekly one when we play the current team because I am pretty sure Northwestern is beat up pretty bad and I know MSU has a ton of injuries .

The length of this list was braced for with coach Jerry Kill saying Wednesday that 20 players wore no-contact jerseys.

Not on travel roster:
C Brian Bobek, giving freshman Tyler Moore his first start at center
T Josh Campion, giving Ben Lauer and Jonah Pirsig starts at tackle
S Ace Rogers, out for the season, dealt with a knee injury earlier this year
DT Scott Ekpe, a starter with unknown injury
DE Gaelin Elmore, a backup with unknown injury
TE Lincoln Plsek, as expected out with a back injury
CB Craig James, as expected with a broken leg
WR Jeff Jones, listed as “out” on Thursday’s depth chart with unknown injury
TE Noah Scarver, unknown injury

Traveled but questionable:
RB Rodney Smith, unspecified injury, as reported by KFAN

 

[newAD]

I don't think recruiting will be an issue. However, I honestly mean this with all the best intentions, if Banker isn't gone, then recruiting will suffer. I think I've read somewhere that HCMR was told to fire Banker after last season and he wouldn't........I don't think we need anymore proof that Banker isn't cutting it. DL will grown into his position and at times we do look good on offense, but an experienced coach like Banker should not be letting things happen like they are on offense....DL and LB coach can stay.

You can argue that Banker's D lost games in the 4th, but IMO. The O lost Illionis, and Wisky in the 3rd.

At one point in the 4th yesterday the O had 44 second half yards. That ain't Banker's fault.

2 conference games with loss than 40% completion percentage. That ain't his fault.

If we had corners as good as MSUs, and we're getting passed on like this, then I'd agree. However, we've been here before about 25 -30 years ago. We didn't have lock down corners. Judge the man when we get some.

 

[jlarson2016]

Well, considering Tremayne Achrum is no longer going to commit to a school tomorrow, the answer to the OP is likely no.

A 62 year old head coach with a 500% career record that is 2-4.

 

[NUSouth]

Good recruiters can recruit no matter what the score or record is... It really is simple.

If I'm Riley, I highlight the opportunities for early playing time. I tell them they can help resurrect a tradition rich blue blood. I tell them we are 15 seconds away from being undefeated, and with their help, we win those...

If you just focus on the record and say woe is me, recruiting will suffer. It's how you present it to the recruits. Riley will be fine. I hope.

 

[NUSouth]

Didn't Michigan only have 3 wins last year ? To recruit to a terrible team you point out how Michigan turned it around.

 

[jlarson2016]

Didn't Michigan only have 3 wins last year ? To recruit to a terrible team you point out how Michigan turned it around.

5-7, but recruits already knew Hoke was going to get fired by the middle of the season.

 

[timnsun]

Well, considering Tremayne Achrum is no longer going to commit to a school tomorrow, the answer to the OP is likely no.

A 62 year old head coach with a 500% career record that is 2-4.

So just curious... Reading all your posts, what are you trying to accomplish?

 

[JHball]

Agree about injuries for others teams as well but most of those teams have depth behind their starters. We do not have that quality depth yet.

Our depth is as good as anyone we've played.

 

[husker2612]

Good recruiters can recruit no matter what the score or record is... It really is simple.

If I'm Riley, I highlight the opportunities for early playing time. I tell them they can help resurrect a tradition rich blue blood. I tell them we are 15 seconds away from being undefeated, and with their help, we win those...

If you just focus on the record and say woe is me, recruiting will suffer. It's how you present it to the recruits. Riley will be fine. I hope.

I agree, the record won't matter in recruiting. There are so many ways he can spin a losing season to a recruit that will positively influence them. Now the question can MR get those top level recruits and finish in top 10-15 Not looking that great so far

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

Didn't Michigan only have 3 wins last year ? To recruit to a terrible team you point out how Michigan turned it around.

Michigan had the 50th ranked recruiting class last year...so they didn't recruit well last year.

Riley would be selling the future and they have done a much better job recruiting than the last staff...how many they can close and if a disaster season causes them to lose ground on some of these recruits is still to be determined. From reading player comments following the game-sounds like most of them had a fun trip.

 

[dinglefritz]

Michigan had the 50th ranked recruiting class last year...so they didn't recruit well last year.

Riley would be selling the future and they have done a much better job recruiting than the last staff...how many they can close and if a disaster season causes them to lose ground on some of these recruits is still to be determined. From reading player comments following the game-sounds like most of them had a fun trip.

The guys that are killing it for Michigan weren't recruited last year and Harbaugh will bring in a good class this year. Michigan HAD recruited very well the previous 3 years to last year and THAT talent is very good. All Harbaugh needed is a QB and somehow he is making the Iowa transfer look very serviceable. It helps that Michigan had recruited O linemen VERY well a couple of years ago.

 

[HuskerO]

Our depth is as good as anyone we've played.

Agree to disagree then.