I think it was more than the consistent 4-loss seasons that created the divide and I imagine many will continue to be salty about him telling the fans to kiss his ass and encouraging players to transfer after he was fired.
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I think it was more than the consistent 4-loss seasons that created the divide and I imagine many will continue to be salty about him telling the fans to kiss his ass and encouraging players to transfer after he was fired.
Pelini is just controversial period. He will always anger some and some will always defend.
It's time to let it go. Bo didn't win enough for Nebraska...period. Hasta la vista. The snowflakes on here can't seem to get passed some of Bo's angry words. Big deal. It's time to win championships. Hopefully Riley will get it done.
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You're good at letting things go… Can you coach us up a little bit? What are your feelings about Frank Solich?
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It's amazing people want to say how great of a guy Bo was when all he did for the last few years as head coach at DONU was try to get himself fired and leave the recruiting in tatters for the next guy. All while collecting $3 million a year.
It's time to let it go. Bo didn't win enough for Nebraska...period. Hasta la vista. The snowflakes on here can't seem to get passed some of Bo's angry words. Big deal. It's time to win championships. Hopefully Riley will get it done.
And Tom once again completely misses the mark and makes a fool of himself.
sorry maybe I missed your point are you saying that its not time to let it go? - guess I missed the mark also as I find it reasonable to let the whole Bo thing die
I suppose it varies by individual as to the divide. I see people basing opinions on hope, others basing on results. And there's the clash, the hope crowd's only response is "wait", the results crowd wants results. If the wins come, we won't even see Pelini in the rear view mirror (at least some of us).
The point is ironic in that Tom is telling us to let it go regarding Bo all the while continuing to bang the Frank Solich drum earlier this week...
Just kind of funny that Tom gets to pick and choose what we should let go and what is still fair game to talk about.
I think the "results" people are basing their opinions on hope to. Hope that Riley doesn't work out, hope that we go back to the incestuous, inside the Nebraska family, hires of yore.
Also the "results" crew were never in favor of the hire and have never given it a chance. I believe that side of the divide had an unrealistic idea on the depth level of the talent left for Riley. And held Riley to expectations he could never meet that first couple of years. They took the "AD speak" at a press conference to announce the firing of Pelini and then at the presser announcing Riley as what the expectations would be.
I think the Riley side also had an unrealistic idea on how easy the transition would be.
My opinion is Bo Pelini was at the epicenter of the divide. So putting him in the rear view isn't happening anytime soon and it isn't going away based on how much or how little Tiley eventually wins at Nebraska.
The truth of the matter is that both sides of the divide have drawn a line in the sand and minds aren't changing anytime soon.
I likened that exit meeting with the players to a husband finding out that his wife wants a divorce, so he takes the kids aside and lets them know how big of a whore their mom is, how she is a bad mom, doesn't know how to be a parent, etc. IMO, he didn't do these kids any good by having that meeting and just set into concrete what a colossal dbag he was. These kids may have thought he was a great role model to them, and I am sure did plenty of great things for them, but as a college coach, that is all they knew. I said after Riley was hired that these kids really thought that Bo(and staff) loved them, and I don't doubt he did, but they would find out that Mike Riley and his staff loves them too. Just complete different styles. I have no doubt also that Bo was a good coach. Looking at some of the rosters he put together, I find it amazing that he continued to win 9 games. That being said, I don't think he was meant to be the face of a program like Nebraska and wasn't cut out for the fishbowl that head coaching brings. I remember people saying that if Bo could just coach in a stadium with no fans, that is what he wanted. I believe that. He enjoys the coaching aspect of football. Just not everything else surrounding it.
I don't know if Mike Riley is going to be successful here or not. He has done plenty to win the offseasons since he has been here. What he will ultimately be judged on is his wins and losses in season. Yes, there have been plenty of question marks about coaching decisions that could his downfall. What I do believe is that this program will be better off when Riley leaves than what he took over. I think the talent level here will be much better than what he inherited and I think the toxicity that surrounded the program and athletic department in general will be gone.
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Fake preachers love to tell people what to do. Makes them feel like they somehow actually matter.
Not all of the results crowd is hoping for failure and for homegrown hires.
I can understand some taking Eichorst's words literally.
Lines in the sand will fade with wins. Barring wins, it will only get worse.
Why wouldn't we take Eichorst literally? He stood at a podium and took questions and I assumed gave honest answers. Bo didn't win games that mattered. We had the kids in the program to win championships and it didn't happen so Shawn fired Bo. His standards are championships and the record that is acceptable is the one that allows championships to happen.
Shawn was on the mark that day. I hope he hasn't changed.
Shawn was on the mark that day. I hope he hasn't changed.
I don't think either Bo or Riley are particularly great head football coaches. But at least Riley, unlike Bo, has held his friends on the staff accountable and fired them if they don't produce. And also unlike Bo, he embraces recruiting and the pressure that comes with being the head coach at a program like Nebraska.
And if he doesn't succeed here, I feel he will at least leave the next coach with a decent amount of talent and depth to work with.
And if he doesn't succeed here, I feel he will at least leave the next coach with a decent amount of talent and depth to work with.
I can only answer for myself, but I saw an identity at Nebraska, one that worked for 30 years. We have seen others try doing it their way over and over again... and the recipe was and still is right there. Others in the division are using that recipe successfully too. It's maddening to see others use your own identity and have success while you remain identity-less and labeled a has been and laughing stock on national tv.
I don't want to see NU fail, but Shawn Eichorst does nothing to move the program toward the identity that so many loved and revered. This is why I question even being a fan anymore.. they are starting to lose me.. I don't identify with it.. no big running game at Nebraska? makes me sick to my stomach. I think with Bo, there was some hope that we could return to greatness. With SE & MR, we are off on some other rabbit hunt, and even if they do get it to work for a couple of years, MR retires, DL moves on to bigger and better things, and you're back to square one trying to recruit a pro style offense in an area where it doesn't make any sense. To me, it's one big waste of time.
It's amazing how much you sound exactly like your husband. Wait...
Maybe I've been unfair to you all along... maybe you really are Tom's wife, and there never really was a Tulsa Tom... you have always been both people, just the wife not the husband! My apologies for thinking you were a guy...
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Yep......Eichorst sucks, run the ball, we have no identity, blah, blah, blah. Good grief.
TBH, then maybe you should consider leaving the fanbase. Judging by what I've seen, no one is going to be crying about it.
Look, I get how important it is to graduate, and I'm not diminishing that... but when you're on the way out and telling the players to graduate but do it somewhere else, that's messed up, and not good mentoring.
Mentoring is much more than he graduated his kids.
This statement shows a complete lack of understanding of how far we have fallen in the category of quality athletes in the program. While good, they are not great and certainly not consistently championship quality. I will give you Bo's first years with Cally's recruits but after that, no way. How many all league players have we had in the last 5 years? How many in the NFL? Bottom line is we have neither had the coaching or players to get the job done. I grow weary hearing people saying we have the players when we don't.
I didn't say that. Our Athletic Director said that in the press conference after the firing of Pelini. Take the issue of having "a complete lack of understanding of how far we have fallen" up with him.
And Tim's question is a good one.
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The problem is that people tend to only believe what they want to believe.
For example - the group that believes Nebraska is still an elite job and that all we had to do was offer it to "home run" coach, believe Eichorst when he says Riley was the only guy he targeted.
If an athletic director calls a press conference to fire a coach that wins 9-10 wins every year, he can't say I fired him because he is a dick and was impossible to deal with. Pelini would have filed a defamation lawsuit the next day. So you find a reason to let him go like "gravitating to mediocrity" or "we aren't Iowa". It's simply AD speak.
It's just like when a coach introduces his recruiting class and says we got every guy we wanted or we expect every guy to contribute. Most people realize that is coach speak. It about getting the fan base excited for the future.
Same with the AD in hires, they are trying to save face in public perception. This is the only guy who was offered the job, we got who we wanted, no one is saying "I had conversations with 6 other guys, they all turned us down and this is the best guy we could find. We are hoping we can get back to winning titles, but we don't have the players on the roster to get anywhere near that. We will be rebuilding for a couple of years before we are ready to contend for a division title. Who's on board"
