Bo Pelini
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With Callahans recruits and the greatest D lineman in NU history. Stop acting like he's Nick Saban who has earned the right to be a tool.
Riley won 9 and got blown out in prime time, just like your hero. You should be happy. Maybe he needs to piss his pants more or hit an official with his hat, then he could be great like Bo Bo.
The fact is, yes Bo has a bad temper and not as suited to a CEO type of roll, but as a head coach, he gets more out of his players, is a better mentor to those players, and a better boss to the coaches that work for him. Oh yeah, and Bo wins more games, more consistently, and has higher player graduation rates.
Must be why all the schools were beating down his door. Let me guess, they were, just ask his agent who put his name out there for every HC job in the country. Lol. Youngstown is where he belongs.
jury is probably still out on all of those. I'm impressed with recruiting. I have not been impressed at all with the coaching acumen seen on the field in the last two years. however, I'm pretty damn happy with the coaching changes made, so that bought riley some more time from me. how much time...we'll know in about 3 months.
Better mentor and better boss?? GTFO
Bo sucked. Riley not a fan of - in regards to coaching and purely an opinion of my own (still not convinced he is a "good" coach, but he can show he has the mental capacity to hire people who can recruit thankfully. Basically surround himself with key assets, so I give him good props to that, for the most part).
Good response HBK and I agree.
You don't really know what happened there.. it's just internet rumors you're talking about. Unless you were his agent or an AD of a school that had an opening, you don't really know.
So here's my question... if Bo is better in all of those ways, why doesn't he have head coaching experience in the NFL, the CFL, or can claim to be a head coach at 2 different P5 schools?
If he sucks as a mentor, doesn't get as much out of his players, and is a worse boss to his coaches than Bo, how does this guy keep falling up?
I'll take Riley's personality, humility, and graciousness over Bo 100 out of 100 times if given the choice...but the bottom line is that he will have to win at that 9 or 10 games (plus) per year pace, or he will be scrutinized. I hope more than anything that the man is able to retire from Nebraska, because that would mean he satisfied the natives.
Better mentor, eh? For somebody who values production on the field you have a very selective memory.
Did his mentorship include Randy Gregory, Leroy Alexander, Avery Moss, Jariah Tolbert, Josh Banderas & Glenn Irons, Ernest Suttles & Thomas Brown, Ryan Klachko, and Quentin Castille?
Even by your own high standards of production all of those dudes fall short, and fall way short on character under Bo's watch. And those are just the guys off the top of my head.
See, you have that little habit of trying to take the inverse of something and imply that someone said such things. I didn't say anything per se about Mike sucking as a mentor did I? Yet you are trying to imply that I did. And how is getting fired from the Chargers falling up? Bo did coach in the NFL, just not as a head coach. Mike is a lot older than Bo too, so he's naturally going to have more history. For sure, getting the Nebraska job was falling up from Oregon State, but he spent, what 13 years there because he liked it. Bo might just like his position at Youngstown too (I don't know first hand). It's obvious to me that Bo doesn't handle the fishbowl well, but outside of that, I still think he is an excellent football coach. While he is down a division, he took his team to the championships last year. That's good coaching. I'd send my kid to play for Bo over Mike Riley in a heartbeat. That doesn't mean Mike did anything wrong, it just means I think Bo does more off screen player development things right. It's just my opinion.
To put it bluntly, I think Bo is a pretty crappy mentor... he has his good points, which the article points out, but the way he torched the place on the way out, dragging these players through the crap along the way, is really pretty poor mentoring, in my opinion.
That exit meeting with the players really sticks in my craw... I don't care how much Pelini felt he was wronged, to hold a meeting like that with the players is worse by far than whatever poor mentoring you think Riley is doing.
Honestly, I can't fathom what Riley has done that makes you think Bo is a better mentor. I would be interested in hearing your answer on this.
So yes, you didn't say Riley sucked as a mentor, those were my words, but maybe now you can see from my point of view why I chose them.
I don't think he has necessarily done anything.. and maybe this is why.. I get the impression he keeps the players at arms length. I never hear about how Mike has these close relationships with the players at all. With Bo, you knew he had personal relationships with the players. Take the argument with Damian Stafford, or even with Taylor Martinez. While many look at the public blowups and only see the negative, those things also tell you what kind of personal relationships the head coach has with the players. They were like family. Mike comes across to me like an arms length type of guy from what I see, allowing his position coaches to do those things. It doesn't make it wrong, it is just different.
And I would disagree... why is Bookie coming to Nebraska? He has said repeatedly it is because of his relationship with Mike Riley. Why did KJJ come to Nebraska? It was his dad's relationship (and by extension, his own relationship) with Mike Riley. Neither one of these players would be here without Mike Riley (I know, the jury is still out on KJJ).
He doesn't do the whole tough love routine like Bo did, but that doesn't mean he has no relationship with his players (or arm's length relationship, if you prefer).
He absolutely does it differently than Bo, but I do think he has personal relationships with his players...
I agree it is different. We are not going to hear articles about how the players would run through walls for Mike Riley. For sure those examples you offer do show some level of involvement. But again, to me, Mike is just a surface level type of guy. Say nice things, etc, but it never gets any deeper than that. Now, the defense, they might run through walls for Bob Diaco, in time. I look forward to watching that develop.
I have no love for Bo but I don't actively root for him to step on a nail either. I hope he has a successful career. He took over during a time not a lot of coaches were beating down the door to come here. He steadied the program to be a constant contender and was damn close to winning conference titles twice (he would have won two if we had any ability behind center but that's obviously up for debate.)
yes he was an asshole but he was let go because he never took the next step. I agreed with his firing but I don't think that should take away the good he did do here.
yes he was an asshole but he was let go because he never took the next step. I agreed with his firing but I don't think that should take away the good he did do here.
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The University needs to buy more walls. Because it is very apparent that Bo was such a good mentor, coach, motivator, psychic, marathon runner, defensive guru, charity giver, and preacher..... that the kids had no more walls to run through after about 2010 when Callahan recruits disappeared. Hard to believe all the great kids Bo recruited were not provided with more walls to run through
It's funny, my attitude usually softens on this stuff over time, but every time I remember his exit it irritates me beyond belief. I get you're mad dude. That's acceptable. But you know getting the players all wound up doesn't help anyone, and could even hurt them if they do something stupid or ruin their career. What did Bo have to gain with that tantrum? Ruin everything to feel better about himself? You can't tell me he can do that and then say he is a good guy.
Sorry to tell you this but in today's world,
-dealing with the press & fans is part of being an FBS football coach.
-Recruiting top notch players and being likable towards them and making them feel wanted is part of being an FBS football coach
-Trusting your assistant coaches and knowing how to divide responsibility is part of being an FBS football coach
-Being able to learn new things and adjust to new things is part of being an FBS football coach (ie not running the same play over and over again on defense because "you think it should work, even though reality is saying its not.
-Being Intelligent is part of being an FBS football coach
- Having a sense of self awarness
Bo was awful at all of these things and this is why he could never and will never be an excellent FBS football coach.
There are certain people in this world that just evoke strong emotion both for and against. Pelini is one of them. I am sure many players loved him and I am sure there were many that felt completely opposite just as the fans at the time felt about it.
For me he means nothing, therefore I can look back and say yes he did some very good things here and also acted like a jerk. Either way it's the past and doesn't matter anymore.
It appears some fans still need time to put the Pelini era in perspective
Don't get me wrong, I'm over it. I know a lot of people on both sides of the fence aren't, which is why his name still comes up regularly.
Wasn't pointed at you and I agreed with your post. I do think there are fans that are still stuck on the Pelini tenure good and bad. Since that is now what 3 or 4 years back I think it is time we look to the present and leave the past in the past
Why does a thread about a young man who came from fairly dire circumstances and made something of himself with the help of Nebraskans, the University and Bo turn into a firestorm about Pelini? Nobody wants Bo to come back here and be head coach. However, there is no question that he was "a players' coach" to a lot of guys including Yoshi and that extended to his relationship off the field as well. It was a great article that showed the depth of positive impact that coaches can have on young people.
Because the title of the freaking thread is Bo Pelini. If it was titled Yoshi Hardrick, the tone of the conversation is different.
The intent of the thread was to bring Pelini into the conversation, evidenced in post 3. I don't think this thread was was ever intended to be about Yoshi and HIS accomplishments.
It was about how Bo helped Yoshi. All one had to do was read the article. (And it was post 2 that had to beat a dead horse that had nothing to do with the story. Post 3 simply had quotes from the story.) Will there be a time when people won't feel the need to demonize Bo whenever something positive gets said about him?
Beat around the bush all you want, but if this post wasnt meant to stir the pot it wouldn't have that title. As I said above, so many people can't just let it go.
Beginning with the person who titled this thread.
If I want to get a topic to go 3 or 4 pages minimum, I bring up Bo Pelini's name or I start taking about run the ball guy.
It's just like talk radio on a slow day. Bring up Pete Rose and HOF and boom 3 hours of phone calls, texts and tweets.
For my part, I didn't participate in this thread until Nikki talked about how Bo was a better mentor, boss, coach, etc, than Riley.
If Nikki doesn't make that argument, I don't post about Bo.
Bo has or had his weaknesses that couldn't be overlooked, that's why he's gone.
It's up to every fan to determine what is important to him or her. Winning is what's important to me.
Bo will continue to evoke strong emotions until we have coach that can win more.
I'm glad that whatever Bo brought on the personal side could help some of these young guys.
It's up to every fan to determine what is important to him or her. Winning is what's important to me.
Bo will continue to evoke strong emotions until we have coach that can win more.
I'm glad that whatever Bo brought on the personal side could help some of these young guys.
The bolded is exactly what I was thinking. If we start winning a lot, people will stop being so salty about him. I think it has to do with him not completely failing, but not succeeding either, creating the divide. When Callahan was fired, it was clear to everyone he had failed.
