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We flame Martinez a lot, and it's partially justified because we're observant fans, but he really wasn't that bad even in what we hope was a down year for him.
Completion Percentage/Yards per Attempt/INT/Passing Efficiency Rating (QB - Year):
56.1/7.7/7/136.6 (Connor Cook - Senior)
61.9/7.5/10/133.1 (Tom Brady - Junior)
59.4/7.4/7/131.2 (Nathan Stanley - Senior)
59.4/7.8/9/130.8 (2AM - Sophomore)
58.4/6.8/14/127.5 (Russell Wilson - Junior)
56.3/7.3/8/126.5 (Taylor Martinez - Sophomore)
56.5/6.4/10/122.3 (C.J. Beathard - Senior)
Martinez is the youngest guy (T-Magic was a RS sophomore) on the list above and his terrible 2nd year ranks like this in comparison (best to worst):
T-3rd/1st/4th/4th
Martinez's good freshman year versus the guys above during their best year (based on PEF) looks like this:
72.8/10.3/4/191.8 (Russell Wilson - Senior)
58.1/8.8/8/149.4 (Connor Cook - Junior)
62.0/7.8/12/141.6 (Taylor Martinez - Junior)
61.6/7.8/5/139.5 (C.J. Beathard - Junior)
64.6/7.5/8/139.5 (2AM - Freshman)
61.0/7.5/6/138.0 (Tom Brady - Senior)
59.3/7.2/10/136.5 (Nathan Stanley - Junior)
Martinez's ranks as a true freshman who didn't play his senior year of high school against the players above during their most efficient year in college:
2nd/T-5th/T-4th/T-4th
I don't know what 2AM will become, and I'm not implying he'll be Tom Brady or have an all-time great season like Russell Wilson did as a senior in college, but Nebraska could be in a much, much worse spot at the QB position even if Martinez has peaked.
If he's the starter all year and plays like he did last year, we will be at about 5 wins again.
I mean, according to most Husker fans, you're a d-bag if you don't blindly suck off Scott Frost and scream we are going 10-2 every year.Hey Riled, I believe you're a huge D-bag that has always had problems with the ladies. Of course my "belief" is at least based on some factual evidence i.e. your post.
The guy had a horrible year last year. I believe he put on 20 lbs of muscle before the season, and had off the field lady issues. Does he put it behind him, or does he fluster again and fall apart?
The only stat that matters to me from the QB is winning percentage. Leadership is the most important trait as far as I'm concerned, and this is what we have been lacking on the team. I would feel much better about him if he could more consistently rise up to meet challenges as they are presented throughout the games/season, but unfortunately most of the time he doesn't. I think those little small failures add up, and also rub off on the rest of the team, and then taken overall, things become an actual liability. That is where I am at with it. Liability to everything that we were trying to do last year. Now, it's possible that those things could change, but I find the odds of that happening unlikely.
This. I don't care about stats. He didn't find ways to win and that concerns me greatly. The great ones find a way to win.
This. I don't care about stats. He didn't find ways to win and that concerns me greatly. The great ones find a way to win.
Right, he should have stayed home on that flea flicker against Colorado, shouldn’t have kicked it deep against Iowa, should have pressured the backup QB against Purdue.This. I don't care about stats. He didn't find ways to win and that concerns me greatly. The great ones find a way to win.
OMG, you're just killing the AM haters. I almost have to look away. LOLZac Lee was the starting QB on a Nebraska team that went 10-4 and played for a CC. Sure, he had a worse completion percentage, fewer yards per attempt, more interceptions, and a worse PFE than 2AM did last year...but dang it, if that guy just ain't a winner....of course he had the #1 defense in the nation and arguably the best place kicker in school history on that team, but 10-4 is 10-4....
I can't get there, boys. I'm all about what the product is, but I want to know why the product is what it is, too.
Zac Lee was the starting QB on a Nebraska team that went 10-4 and played for a CC. Sure, he had a worse completion percentage, fewer yards per attempt, more interceptions, and a worse PFE than 2AM did last year...but dang it, if that guy just ain't a winner....of course he had the #1 defense in the nation and arguably the best place kicker in school history on that team, but 10-4 is 10-4....
I can't get there, boys. I'm all about what the product is, but I want to know why the product is what it is, too.
If the OL and wide receivers perform like they did last year's, five wins might be a pipe dream. The experiment at center was a calculated risk on Frost's part that Jurgens would be best long term for the team. I'm sure Frost didn't count on the center position being that poor. There was an article with Greg Austin where he admitted that he would ask Jurgens what he saw when he came to the sidelines and he got no response. He would ask other linemen what that line calls were and they would say there wasn't one. Austin went on to say Cam was far more athletic then the other centers and after things slowed down for him that he started to turn out what they hoped for. Guys, football is a team game. There were a lot of problems last year. I'm worried about wr play this year. We missed Stanley last year and I'm sure the QB did too.If he's the starter all year and plays like he did last year, we will be at about 5 wins again.
If the OL and wide receivers perform like they did last year's, five wins might be a pipe dream. The experiment at center was a calculated risk on Frost's part that Jurgens would be best long term for the team. I'm sure Frost didn't count on the center position being that poor. There was an article with Greg Austin where he admitted that he would ask Jurgens what he saw when he came to the sidelines and he got no response. He would ask other linemen what that line calls were and they would say there wasn't one. Austin went on to say Cam was far more athletic then the other centers and after things slowed down for him that he started to turn out what they hoped for. Guys, football is a team game. There were a lot of problems last year. I'm worried about wr play this year. We missed Stanley last year and I'm sure the QB did too.
Or maybe worse. Martinez needs to be better. Where I draw the line is that for every example of poor play or “excuses” I also see hard evidence that he can be an amazing player. Sooner or later you gotta fish or cut bait, but I hope he flourishes because I see a high ceiling.Of course it’s a team game, and I’m not suggesting it was totally on him. Lots of places were not good, and Martinez was one of them. He made a lot of unforced errors. If he does the same this year, we will be at about 5 wins again.
Zac was not a liability to his team like Adrian was. Zac won more games too. Pretty easy to see that Zac > Adrian.Zac Lee was the starting QB on a Nebraska team that went 10-4 and played for a CC. Sure, he had a worse completion percentage, fewer yards per attempt, more interceptions, and a worse PFE than 2AM did last year...but dang it, if that guy just ain't a winner....of course he had the #1 defense in the nation and arguably the best place kicker in school history on that team, but 10-4 is 10-4....
I can't get there, boys. I'm all about what the product is, but I want to know why the product is what it is, too.
And.... there goes whatever credibility you were clinging to.Zac was not a liability to his team like Adrian was. Zac won more games too. Pretty easy to see that Zac > Adrian.
OMG, you're just killing the AM haters. I almost have to look away. LOL
I'm not a AM2 hater. However, wins are way more important that those stats. I expected better last year and it's time for AM2 & HCSF to win. Enough of the excuses. If we continue to falter with AM2 under center then I hope that Frost will put in McCaffrey. I'd hate to have to replace our head coach again.
Those stats put Martinez in line with QBs who won an average of 10 games a year putting up nearly identical numbers.
Zac was not a liability to his team like Adrian was. Zac won more games too. Pretty easy to see that Zac > Adrian.
Perhaps we didn't win 10 games because of the strength, or lack thereof, of a lot of other parts of the team. If you have a QB who puts up numbers like winning QBs have historically you have to ask yourself why the team wasn't better. Let me rephrase that, you don't have to ask yourself, but a rational person asks him or herself.And yet he didn't win 10 games. He won 5. We could have done better than that. I put that on HCSF. If AM2 delivers the same he should be benched.
Perhaps we didn't win 10 games because of the strength, or lack thereof, of a lot of other parts of the team. If you have a QB who puts up numbers like winning QBs have historically you have to ask yourself why the team wasn't better. Let me rephrase that, you don't have to ask yourself, but a rational person asks him or herself.
convenient to cut out the point of the post to fit your butthurt narrative.And yet he didn't win 10 games. He won 5. We could have done better than that. I put that on HCSF. If AM2 delivers the same he should be benched.
convenient to cut out the point of the post to fit your butthurt narrative.
W-L is a team stat. you're right to assign blame to Coach Frost. you're not so right to pin each loss on Martinez.
could he have played better? of course. does he play defense/special teams? no. did those facets, along with the other 10 offensive players, have as much or more to do with each W/L as Martinez? absolutely.
nobody's making excuses. everyone wants and expects to win. for the first time at NU, Martinez has legit competition for snaps. Martinez is a tough kid, and I'm extremely confident we don't win even the 9 games over the past 2 years we did without him.
I am excited to see if he answers the bell this year or if it's next man up time.
He definitely wasn't perfect, but he isn't someone who belongs on the trash heap either.I'm telling you that I believe that AM2 was part of the problem. Hopefully, he'll play better this year, along with the rest of the team.