They won’t have any impact at all
Because I’m very doubtful they even go to the games
Which along with the big boosters is the only real vote that really matters when it comes to coaching decisions
According to Benning......
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They won’t have any impact at all
Because I’m very doubtful they even go to the games
Which along with the big boosters is the only real vote that really matters when it comes to coaching decisions
Riley had to deal with the same issue.
Agree, but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Are you even reading my posts? If someone isn’t actively trashing Riley that doesn’t make them anti frost.
Please write that down 20 times, and maybe it will stick.
tOSU annually has the pick of the litter. Easier to say "they are my guys" in that situation. In Lincoln we've been playing walk-ons where scholarship players have washed out. Nothing against the walk-ons, but be honest a walk-on without development at nebraska isn't going to cut it against tOSU
The comment was directed at Herman at Texas. Not that Texas doesn’t have their pick of the litter as well. But it wasn’t about tOSU
Was pointing out it wasn’t a “double standard”
Apples and oranges differences at the starting line and now we find out what we saw on the field was a systematic flaw in the Riley approach that has decimated the program to depths even deeper than a 4 win season could ever do.
It’s like having 2 guys running a 100 yard dash and Riley gets a 50 yard head start and yet both are judged by who finishes “first”
That is what many are suggesting- win expectations should be the same- to determine if frost is doing a good job or not
Let’s sit back and compare notes of where frost and Riley compare in year 3 after they both had a chance to get their own kids in and a legit strength program has time to work
Btw- frost brought 3 quarterbacks with him in year one- one is a 4 star
I think this is pretty much exactly what our coaching staff is doing.
They are resetting expectations. And that is hard. Anywhere in life.
Whether you're a player getting a new coach that doesn't like some elements of what he sees upon arrival or you're in the workforce and get a new boss who has been brought in to right the ship of an underperforming unit.
Most people will learn, adapt, work, and adjust. Some won't. It's human nature.
"my guys" Meyer inherited a roster made of classes that had a rivals rank of 4, 3, 25 (class of 19), and 11 in the four years before he showed up. Lots of 4* and several 5* guys on that roster.
While responding to Herman quote, it still is Meyer's view of any new coach should take the view that existing players are the new coaches players and stop complaining. Same thing can be referenced to Frost or any new coach. Don't just waist your energy telling us what was wrong in the past. Go to WORK and FIX IT. That's all the fans want is the problem fixed not expended unnecessary energy explaining the problem
Was pointing out that since I’m not trashing Riley that doesn’t make me anti frost.
Guess you need to write it down 20 more times.
I was as big of a booster of hiring Frost as anybody when Riley was fired. That said, there will be a consistent effort made by the administration to lower expectations just in case things don't go as well as we would maybe like this fall.
It appears to be right now but as we've seen in years past, you don't know what you or other teams have until the season plays out. No doubt there is good reason to try to lower expectations for a new coach installing new systems on both sides of the ball. IMO, the talent is there to win right away. The question will be how quickly they get whipped in to shape and learn their new systems. When I look at the schedule, I don't see any reason this team shouldn't win 8 games. We have more talent than at least 8 teams and IMO we have a better head coach than at least 8 teams. It just depends on how quickly and well Frost's staff teaches their players IMO.
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Exactly the point. tOSU started with a higher base line when Meyer's came in as compared to 90% of New coaches coming into to other programs
According to Benning, the talent level isn't as big a deal as the psyche of the team. That bleeds into everything (intensity of workouts, performance on field, winning mentality, etc.). I have no doubt that Frost and company will get that turned around, but Benning thinks things are bad enough that it's going to take more time than he originally thought.
We all watched the mentality play our last year. If they win 8 games this year SF should be BIG COY.
Um....no. IF we win 8 he would have met a reasonable expectation at NU. IF we don't get to 8 but are competitive and play to the end of all our games, I'll be fine with that.
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Tuesday's gone with the wind. He sucked and is gone. The excuse coalition apparently thinks Frost is inept. Time for them to get on board, and stop making excuses.
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The past is done. The players are all on board, and 100% bought in. Even if they aren't, excuses are not allowed. Get on board, and stop doubting Frost.
Not calling you out at all, but I am not totally sure what do you mean, "Lower your standards"?
What control do you or any of us have over any of the program, unless you are a major donor. What are you going to do, seriously, if they don't win, quit being a fan and root for someone, else? Or go for the NFL?
I for one, am locked in and hope for the best as I can't change the name on my diploma. I think the point I get from what Benning is saying is that maybe, we have a greater understanding as to how the talent on this team could get boat raced and the opposition didn't need to use their punter. Most everybody saw the dysfunction.
I don't see this as a criticism of the players. I see it as a symptom of the previous culture of denial from the previous AD, HC, DC and OC. ( just listen to MR's last speech--I think he was in denial and I am mot trying to rehash the old arguments here.)
However, it also says the culture had deeply seated flaws, and if anyone thinks they know how much time and effort it will take to root out that poor culture and completely establish the new one is just guessing.
I think any expectation of success OR failure is misplaced. Some of current players may not even buy-in at all. SF has even alluded to that in his first press conference as he went through that in his first year at ucf.
I don't think even that is an indictment of any player that doesn't buy-in, because each individual has to figure out what's best for their future, especially if they decide to concentrate on school and getting their degree and putting football behind them. Losing that much couldn't have been that much fun, at least it wouldn't have been for me and I'm not trying to speak for them at all.
But, the point is, if they show an improvement in effort and skill, that will be the most satisfying for me, considering the circumstances. If the culture changes--and that won't be overnight--the winning will follow. But we as fans can't do that for them, and I don't think we can DEMAND that from them. I, personally don't have that kind of entitlement.
The entire program must change, even including, it sounds like, the competence and effort in the academic side and compliance office.
This is going to be a very big job and even the U's administration will need a total buy-in. Maybe it is prudent that we ALL have buy-in and let SF, the staff, Moos, and the administration do their jobs to overhaul the whole mess and just stay out of their way and enjoy the ride.
After all is said and done, none of us are ENTITLED to anything--not even the big donors, They are only entitled to tickets and occasional use of a sky box.
I can guarantee you that Frost thinks we can win every game on the schedule. He knows things have to fall right and you always have to get some breaks, but I have zero doubt that he thinks we'll be capable on any given Saturday of beating any team on our schedule. Peiod. End of discussion.
Heh......funny how with no depth Bo won 9 or 10 games for seven consecutive years. Even with taking over a devastated, losing Clownahan team.
But hey, endless, mindless excuses for Riley's two losing seasons in three years works for me!
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And 9 wins, a coaching staff that doesn' already have a propaganda machine making excuses, etc etc etc
Frost & his staff will pound this in to the players heads constantly. Instead of, we think we can win this game. It will be, we know we can win this game. No matter who the opponent is.
Clownahan team LOADED with future NFL draft picks on defense especially.
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Bingo. But apparently he has a propaganda machine getting cranked up just in case.
damn you captured that before I got it deleted. Didn't want to turn this in to a political pissing match.
Hard to misinterpret "grace us", but if I did, I apologize. I'll own it. You'll hear a lot over the few weeks. There will be a lot to soak in. The last 10 years have been strange to say the least.. everything from academic admissions, class scheduling, lifting, pre game protocol and team meals will be talked about. They wont be excuses, it's just enlightening.
Good post. But it isn't a "double standard" in my opinion if, as you say, circumstances are different. Different circumstances=different standards
I agree...
Look, if you thought Riley was a good hire you are a dork
If you think Frost needs tons of time and should have low expectations you are a dork.
If you think you still can't rip on Riley you are a dork. If you think you can't rip on Frost, you are a dork.
Where in the hell do you get the crazy idea that there is "resentment over the Riley firing"?
I was a supporter until it was obvious he needed to leave and that he WAS going to be fired. I don't know of a SINGLE poster on here who honestly believed Riley should have been retained at the end. Not one and I don't know of a single poster who posts regularly on here who wanted anybody other than Frost. There was a guy or two promoting some more experienced head coaches but they've been silent since the hire.
You mean you don't think Riley didn't want to win every game
on the schedule when Eichorst hired him.
That's right. Remember, Tressel got fired because of behind the scenes stuff, not because he was losing games, and the interim guy was never going to be the man. So, there was a LOT of talent for meyer.
It was alarming that two guys ended up in the hospital due to workouts. I imagine that means workouts will be toned down and of course that may also mean progress will be slowed. We all know — and so does Frost — our teams in recent years haven’t come close to physically dominating opponents like we used to. Unless and until that happens, we figure to be mediocre at best. Hopefully, strength and conditioning staff can begin to change that fact, but it won’t be helpful if they have to tone down the kind of workouts that built UCF into a 13-0 team. Patience will be needed but at least losing some games won’t be the shocker it once was.
NATTY OR BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This thread almost sounds scared that Nebraska is going to have to play some football come fall.
I can't freaking wait to see the Cornhuskers take the field!
These guys get to work out, eat, and play sports.....I have to go out in the weather and earn a paycheck just to pay off some bills...that will keep on coming.
If the players mindset is so fragile and they are quitting on each other, the coaches, and their families then they need a dose of some hard to work in situations like say Sudan...
You GET THE PRIVILEGE to play a game in a city that had 0 murders in 2017, you're well fed, you are not being chased down and killed while your sisters and mothers are being abducted and sold as sex slaves because you believe in Christ, or are albino.
Man these guys have a good thing!!! They having winning coaches who WANT DESPERATELY to make them see they are champions, they just need to drop their purses and get get to work!....for their Creator or for each other, for their coach, for their family...or if they are that lonely for themselves.
I'm behind them from here all the way!
Drop your Bo or Riley purses and be EXCITED! The nightmare is over, the dawn has come and sun is shining it hopefully only gets brighter as the day goes on....if the past is any indication for this staff...y'all are going to need shades!
I can't freaking wait to see the Cornhuskers take the field!
These guys get to work out, eat, and play sports.....I have to go out in the weather and earn a paycheck just to pay off some bills...that will keep on coming.
If the players mindset is so fragile and they are quitting on each other, the coaches, and their families then they need a dose of some hard to work in situations like say Sudan...
You GET THE PRIVILEGE to play a game in a city that had 0 murders in 2017, you're well fed, you are not being chased down and killed while your sisters and mothers are being abducted and sold as sex slaves because you believe in Christ, or are albino.
Man these guys have a good thing!!! They having winning coaches who WANT DESPERATELY to make them see they are champions, they just need to drop their purses and get get to work!....for their Creator or for each other, for their coach, for their family...or if they are that lonely for themselves.
I'm behind them from here all the way!
Drop your Bo or Riley purses and be EXCITED! The nightmare is over, the dawn has come and sun is shining it hopefully only gets brighter as the day goes on....if the past is any indication for this staff...y'all are going to need shades!
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