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Now you’re going out of your way to be unrealistic. You think at this point in time we could hear osu? Psu? Msu? Mich? We’re not even close to the top schools in the east right now. Have patience. You’re the type of person everyone was worried about. Too much pressure too soon. This is a total program rebuild. Doesn’t happen in one season.
I’d like to see 8 wins next year. Hell I’d like to see 12. Don’t see either happening though.
I think we should run Frost out of here on a rail if he doesn’t meet our personal win number expectations out if the gate. Maybe mid season year 1.
“My minimum win number expectation is ‘x’”
How adorable.
And if that expectation isn’t met, then what? Stomp your feet? Stop posting? Hold your breath?
I think we should run Frost out of here on a rail if he doesn’t meet our personal win number expectations out if the gate. Maybe mid season year 1.
“My minimum win number expectation is ‘x’”
How adorable.
And if that expectation isn’t met, then what? Stomp your feet? Stop posting? Hold your breath?
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There isn’t any reason that 8 wins cannot be achieved.
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Amazingly accurate post. Some are not going to like it, but it seems like a good portion of the fan base does not really believe in the new staff, and is already setting up excuses. Amazing how hypocritical and sad that is to read.
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Exactly. A good coach will not square peg, round hole things. And also, they better not run off any players, that's not the "Nebraska way".
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Minimum 10 years, I am guessing the excuses will continue to mount even before the first game.
Hey, we all agree we've dug ourselves a big whole. The best way to fill it is methodically and tamping it as you go so it's solid and doesn't settle. It's not how much fence you set in a day but how good it is when you're done and how many years it lasts.
I think we are on the right path and can't wait until we are recruiting in a balanced way instead of loading up on positions here or there because they were not addressed in previous cycles.
I think we are on the right path and can't wait until we are recruiting in a balanced way instead of loading up on positions here or there because they were not addressed in previous cycles.
Sorry, but I think you are attacking a straw man here and overestimating the "excuse making" of the fan base because of 2 or 3 posters on here.
The vast, vast majority of fans are of mixed feelings I think. I know I am. On the one hand we all realize that Riley really did screw up some things (as did Pelini) and left Frost with some things to clean up. So the vast majority are willing to be patient. However, a majority of fans also think like Tuco (if his 8 wins thing is his real opinion or tongue in cheek sarcasm I don't know). But most of us do think the talent is there to win 8 games this year (if not more) and we are hoping to see some Frost magic pixie dust turn this around sooner rather than later. We have also added some nice talent in the recruits for next year who will also be an immediate help. Finally, according to many who are in the know, Frost's offense is not that hard to learn. Correct me if I am wrong on that.
So I just don't see a groundswell of excuse making by fans. I don't think most fans think we are going to go 4-8 or even 6-6 this year. I think most fans think we will win at least 8. That may be unrealistic, but it sure isn't excuse making. We didn't sell 90,000 tickets to a glorified scrimmage because people are expecting a losing season.
The excitement is because of the coach we hired. There is excitement in the air. Fans believe that Frost is the answer. That is why the spring game is sold out. It isn’t sold out because the majority of fans believe this team will 8 or more games.
We’ll agree to disagree on that.
Isn’t this illegal? Are we supposed to “out” posters on an anonymous message board?
I'm not willing to give Frost 1 year? Where did you read that from me?
I'm willing to give Frost 4-5 years like I do for every coach.
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I think it is both. People are of a split mind on this year I think. Everyone knows transition years can be tough. And nobody really knows what the talent level on this team is or its attitude. Lots of free radicals. But I think deep down people really are hoping for an 8 win season. And when I say "hoping" I don't mean fantasy camp hopes, but a genuine gut feeling that it is possible and realistic, despite all the caveats.
So I think you are mostly correct to say the sellout is because of Frostomania. But I also think people are going to see that new offense and are hoping it gives them hope for a winning season.
But I still think the rumors of excuse making are greatly exaggerated.
Well, that is the part that will get you in the end, eh? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I do believe this is much more about Bo and Riley supporters than SF supporters. From the outside looking in, it is quite an odd past time, devoting so much time to tearing each other down about coaches past.
You know, I once had a '76 Chevy Malibu. In reality, it was an absolute piece of junk typical of most American made cars in the mid-late 70s/80s. My friends would argue whether their hunk of junk Ford LTD was better than the hunk of junk with the cracked dashboard Chevy. The reality is they both sucked, would never go 200 mph, weren't going to land us any girls and were in the end, a waste of money.
Meanwhile, we have the equivalent of a Tesla Roadster sitting in the drive way.
Agree with the 8 win assessment. There are 8 wins on our schedule next year. It won’t be easy, but it’s certainly realistic. Honestly we could still lose at Michigan, at Wisconsin, at Ohio State and still drop one other game and still get to 8 wins. IMO Frost very well could potentially out coach Harbaugh and steal an unexpected win at Michigan. And when it comes to Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Iowa, we may finally see the talent on our roster show up in a couple of those game and again steal wins.
Let’s not forget that the existing players are not devoid of talent, and the new recruits and transfers brought some pretty significant upgrades in areas of need. We have 3 highly rated 4 star QBs on the roster. All of which are somewhat familiar with an offense similar to what Frost wants to run. We have talent and speed coming back at WR along with upgrades. Same with the running backs. Wilbon could flourish in this system and the additions of Bell and Washington are going to help pack some serious punch out of the backfield. IMO the OL is talented, we have several kids on the OL that were 4 star kids coming out of HS. IMO they were poorly coached and out of shape. I’d say the same (although to a lesser extent) of the DL. With better S&C and proper coaching the talent will shine. The LBs were not horrible last year, but upgrades in the form of Honas, Dixon, and Tannor are going to have an immediate impact on that group. Same with the secondary.
Overall I expect 8 wins, and I have a feeling the coaching staff expects that or more. I don’t know much about UCF, but I’m guessing the talent Frost had on hand when he took over after their 0-12 season is less than what he’s walking into here at NU. With some S&C, coaching, competition, and accountability this team will turn the corner quickly. So while I don’t expect to go 13-0 next season, I think 8-9 wins should be expected.
Let’s not forget that the existing players are not devoid of talent, and the new recruits and transfers brought some pretty significant upgrades in areas of need. We have 3 highly rated 4 star QBs on the roster. All of which are somewhat familiar with an offense similar to what Frost wants to run. We have talent and speed coming back at WR along with upgrades. Same with the running backs. Wilbon could flourish in this system and the additions of Bell and Washington are going to help pack some serious punch out of the backfield. IMO the OL is talented, we have several kids on the OL that were 4 star kids coming out of HS. IMO they were poorly coached and out of shape. I’d say the same (although to a lesser extent) of the DL. With better S&C and proper coaching the talent will shine. The LBs were not horrible last year, but upgrades in the form of Honas, Dixon, and Tannor are going to have an immediate impact on that group. Same with the secondary.
Overall I expect 8 wins, and I have a feeling the coaching staff expects that or more. I don’t know much about UCF, but I’m guessing the talent Frost had on hand when he took over after their 0-12 season is less than what he’s walking into here at NU. With some S&C, coaching, competition, and accountability this team will turn the corner quickly. So while I don’t expect to go 13-0 next season, I think 8-9 wins should be expected.
The continuing resentment by a small handful of posters over the Riley firing is mystifying. Maybe they are still trying to insinuate that their defense of Riley was legit and that the "mob" that took him down are hypocrites if they don't go after Frost too, should he stumble in year one.
Mike Riley was a terrible hire and a lousy coach. I supported him until this last year when it became obvious to anyone without an agenda that the dude was bringing NU football to depths of suckiness it had not seen in decades.
It isn't hypocrisy to see something in a new coach that is special so you are willing to be patient, even though you gave Riley a short leash. Riley was a head scratching hire and his record overall was that of a .500 coach. And when that is followed with three years of .500 football and miserable blow out losses, impatience is warranted. Especially when you see an alum like Frost become the hottest coaching ticket on the market and is available.
It isn't "excuse making" hypocrisy to give Frost a longer leash than Riley. Period.
Mike Riley was a terrible hire and a lousy coach. I supported him until this last year when it became obvious to anyone without an agenda that the dude was bringing NU football to depths of suckiness it had not seen in decades.
It isn't hypocrisy to see something in a new coach that is special so you are willing to be patient, even though you gave Riley a short leash. Riley was a head scratching hire and his record overall was that of a .500 coach. And when that is followed with three years of .500 football and miserable blow out losses, impatience is warranted. Especially when you see an alum like Frost become the hottest coaching ticket on the market and is available.
It isn't "excuse making" hypocrisy to give Frost a longer leash than Riley. Period.
There were zero excuses made. Nice interpretation of what was said. You spend any time in Holdredge or any of the pit stops coaches made in the last 24 hrs? You an tell the truth and say what something is without it being an excuse. Stay tuned, you'll hear more and it won't be an excuse.
Nice summation folks.
Nice summation folks.
Don't want to speak for Benning, but the vibe I'm getting is that the winter conditioning has exposed a roster that has been under-trained and is not in the position at present that hit its potential. The players have not been challenged to meet the standard that should be the norm at NU. As is the a standard response for much of humanity, a chunk of the players shirked. Going forward, I expect most of the players to lock in, get things done and make some gains. No one likes being part of a losing football team, but one can become habituated to it.
I was one who defended Riley and Co. But it has become clear to me that Riley and the group he brought with him from Corvallis was used to losing a lot of football games and had the ethic that come with that. Maybe the expectation was when the talent finally showed up or got more experienced, they would win more at NU. Having been around some teams when I was in HS and college and now with my sons competing in running, having the mentality of a winner, regardless of the level of talent, produces more success that having the mentality of just enough is good enough.
As far as the +/- 8 game thing, I expect the team to win as many as they can. And there a lot of winnable games out there if the kids on the roster lock in and get things done in the next 6-7 months. There is a lot of returning experience on the defensive side of the roster and Chinander's system will allow these kids to make some plays. Hopefully the Honas kid really does have the goods. Frost landed some skill kids on offense that should be able to contribute immediately. If the QB is Gebbia, he's a kid who has the mentality of a winner. I expect the Oline to play better.
I think this team will surprise us.
I was one who defended Riley and Co. But it has become clear to me that Riley and the group he brought with him from Corvallis was used to losing a lot of football games and had the ethic that come with that. Maybe the expectation was when the talent finally showed up or got more experienced, they would win more at NU. Having been around some teams when I was in HS and college and now with my sons competing in running, having the mentality of a winner, regardless of the level of talent, produces more success that having the mentality of just enough is good enough.
As far as the +/- 8 game thing, I expect the team to win as many as they can. And there a lot of winnable games out there if the kids on the roster lock in and get things done in the next 6-7 months. There is a lot of returning experience on the defensive side of the roster and Chinander's system will allow these kids to make some plays. Hopefully the Honas kid really does have the goods. Frost landed some skill kids on offense that should be able to contribute immediately. If the QB is Gebbia, he's a kid who has the mentality of a winner. I expect the Oline to play better.
I think this team will surprise us.
He's gone.
He was on the hot seat at the worst PAC-12 program when we stole him away and managed to make us into nearly the worst B10 program in 3 short years. That, in itself, is an accomplishment.
He accomplished many things here that nobody else has been able to do in 60 years. Nobody can take that away from him or us. No matter how hard they try.
But it's been months now. He's not coming back. Let him go, even though it's likely we'll not see these things again in our lifetime. It's OK. Really. Sometimes things just don't work out. I liked that dude too. Especially the way he smiled coming off the field. Inspiring.
There's 5 stages to dealing with grief after a loss.
Many of us have made it past stage 2 at this point.
You can too -- just focus on the good.
We rescued a guy that was going to get himself canned in his current position, gave him tons of money for doing nothing but cratering our program, and are even still paying him millions.
Think what it did for him! Focus on the good.
It will help you move on.
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Frost inherits more talent at NU that he did at UCF, but he also inherits a B1G schedule. UCF had 4, 1 and 4 losses in the three seasons before they went zero wins. There was sufficient talent on the roster to at least compete in the American. Frost achieved some substantial roster gains from that, moved some kids around and his staff was a coaching upgrade.
At NU, Frost inherits an underachieving roster. There is enough talent on the roster that the kids who remain "off the bus" probably won't play much, regardless of their athletic ability. Another kid with talent will play. It is possible that the team that takes the field as starters will be younger. I hope that doesn't happen. It takes hard work, playbook preparation and the right mentality to win at the level Frost expects.
I shouldn't be surprised that summations leave out a lot of the discussion. Things said like, he's not inheriting 4-8 talent, but he is inheriting a 4-8 mentality. That was the catalyst of the discussion which you've obviously picked up on. When guys like @21Husker1984 say things like "grace us" I know what I'm dealing with.
Back to last night. Don't you think at least going into year two with the schedule we are dealt and learning new systems and schemes on both sides of the ball. Plenty think this team is an automatic 8 or 9 win team after the worst season since Jennings.
Our SC is in shambles I think that is the one thing Benning was pointing out.
S&C is an area where mitigation can take place quickly if the players assume the right mentality. Or at least the ones that do will become better FB players and make their way to the field in the fall. Frost and Co isn't waiting around for "their players" to show up. The present group is being worked pretty hard and the gamers will shake out in the mix.
Exactly, he's gone. So whenever davecisar brings up Riley again (and again and again) be sure to respond to him reminding him that Riley is gone.
Frost and Co aren't' making excuses. It's certain posters here who are already giving him excuses. Like for some reason they're afraid Frost can't overcome Riley which is why Riley keeps coming up again and again and again.
From my perspective, i think I’ve been clear that my issue isn’t resentment over the Riley firing, it’s the insinuation that if I don’t agree to trash Riley I’m not a frost supporter and need to forget Riley and get on board the frost train. But how can I forget Riley when he continues to be brought up by the very same poster who says to forget Riley?
What’s lost in translation is that I don’t feel compelled to trash Riley, but that doesn’t make me anti frost. I’m thrilled he is our coach. But Dace will repeatedly come on and say things like Riley supporters need to support Frost.
Even in this thread I don’t see a single poster presenting themselves as anti frost. Truth be told, what I do see is a handful of posters pointing out the double standards that are in place. Expectations for Riley were different initially than they are for frost. I get that the circumstances are different... but some like to point out the double standards.
OK. In case I'm not on when this happens, I'll do it now. davecisar stop bringing up Riley.
All hyperbole. It's not in "shambles". It definitely needs some work, but we have good athletes on this team which include players Frost brought on and ones Riley left that we'll be fine for next year.
I'm all for giving Frost at least 4-5 years. What kills me is that some are already giving Frost excuses as to why he won't be successful when those exact same excuses wouldn't fly for Riley. I'm not saying Riley needs to be coddled or Frost needs to be dogged on. But be consistent people.
So for example a coach comes into a program that hasn’t won a game in 10 years and never has the kids work out
The other guy takes over a program that has won 100 games in last 10 years and they have the best weight program in the country
Should both guys win expectations be the same in year one?
Most reasonable people would say no
Riley got the keys to a pretty nice Toyota, frost got the keys to barely running Chrysler. Most honest people understand they started out in 2 totally different set of circumstances.
If you don’t like certain peoples posts, you aren’t forced to read them
I'm not saying Nebraska isn't going to win 8 or 9 games I'm saying there is a possibility with the schedule and learning curse from taking over new systems that there maybe some tough losses instead of wins.
As far as dave ripping Riley, we had a poster that did the same thing with praising Riley and knocking Pelini every chance he had and still does on occasions and you all probably know who I'm talking about.
You interpreted my post wrong Damon. I enjoy your viewpoints and opinions and listen to you dang near everyday. My apologies if I came off the wrong way. Just thought you may want to come in here and clarify. GBR
Yes because we've been told that Riley has always sucked so his record at Nebraska was no surprise while Frost is super coach (took a winless team and went undefeated in 2 season, COY, beat Auburn who beat Nat'l Champs 'Bama, etc, etc) so expectations should be higher on a much better coach.
Also Pelini left less for Riley (in terms of depth) than Riley did for Frost. No QB depth & no OL depth. How many walk-on OL did we have start against Ohio St in 2016? Not to mention a walk-on QB as Armstrong's only back-up. How many of Bo's guys will get drafted this season and how many got drafted last season?
Frost will be successful early because 1) he's an outstanding coach and 2) he was left with pretty darn good talent.
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