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Yep. I think T.O. probably had a good idea of what the recidivism numbers look like. He was willing to take the criticism because when he had to look back on it all, his choice was to throw the young men into the grinder or to give them a chance at redemption. He probably knew he would take the heat, but he preferred that to feeling like he turned his back on a kid who needed to be taught how to be a man.Originally posted by chicolby:
Pretty sure he was destined to die in prison whether this incident had happened or not.
I've seen several Osborne jokes pop up with this latest news, and I get it, but... I do think Osborne sincerely thought he could turn this guy's life around. I think it's fair to say Osborne may not have always made the right decisions as the head coach, but I don't think his motives were in the wrong place. I think he truly felt he could fix anyone, and the reality was, LP was already too broken. It's a shame but some people (through mental disorders or horrible upbringing) are just meant to be bad people and they need to be separated from society. Unfortunately, LP was one of those people.
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.
I don't think Damon thinks LP needs to be let go here. How would you be today if you grew up with a step dad that pissed on you, and your mom just stood by a watched?Originally posted by hamneggs53:
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.
That, and in addition, win a few football games with his talent.Originally posted by big red22:
I don't think Damon thinks LP needs to be let go here. How would you be today if you grew up with a step dad that pissed on you, and your mom just stood by a watched?Originally posted by hamneggs53:
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.
Damon wasn't defending what he did, but knows the guys back ground and feels bad for the guy. Like what a previous poster in this thread said "Some people were just raise to be (Bad People)".
I think LP is where he needs to be. He needs to be away from society, because he is a threat. Whether he gets the death penalty or life in prison, we aren't the ones to judge.
The guy never had a chance with that upbringing. The only mistake TO made was giving the guy a chance. All TO wanted to do was turn the guys life around.
Tom was/is human.Originally posted by WestCoastCornuskerThat, and in addition, win a few football games with his talent.
I have said things like this too. But I've also learned through my life that its not so easy to detach emotionally from a troubled person when they are your friend or family member.. Just saying.Originally posted by hamneggs53:
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.
By saying the above you are saying that nobody, ever, had similar (or even worse) backgrounds and ended up being a decent human being. I don't believe that to be the case.Originally posted by big red22:
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The guy never had a chance with that upbringing.
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Yeah, if LP wasn't a stud, he wouldn't have been given a second or third chance. That's not a shot at Tom, its just the reality of life. Supremely talented people get more chances than everyone else.Originally posted by WestCoastCornhusker:
That, and in addition, win a few football games with his talent.Originally posted by big red22:
I don't think Damon thinks LP needs to be let go here. How would you be today if you grew up with a step dad that pissed on you, and your mom just stood by a watched?Originally posted by hamneggs53:
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.
Damon wasn't defending what he did, but knows the guys back ground and feels bad for the guy. Like what a previous poster in this thread said "Some people were just raise to be (Bad People)".
I think LP is where he needs to be. He needs to be away from society, because he is a threat. Whether he gets the death penalty or life in prison, we aren't the ones to judge.
The guy never had a chance with that upbringing. The only mistake TO made was giving the guy a chance. All TO wanted to do was turn the guys life around.
Well, yeah.Originally posted by cubsker:
spurrier's position on the female thing is a much better approach.
"If you ever hit a girl, you're not going to play on our team," he said during his weekly news conference. "You're finished."
"We're not going to have any player on our team that's done that," he said. "I can't understand why every coach doesn't have that rule and why every company doesn't have that rule for their employees. I think it could put a pretty good end to this stuff. Really, it's amazing that America has sort of put up with it or compromised, but that is something that should never happen."
"I would think every coach would have that rule," he said. "I don't think they do. Some of them -- 'Well, let's wait and look at the situation' and all this, that and the other. You do have to do that. But once you know it's happened, I think it will help put an end to it."
Not sure if serious, but mine does too. Would be unbelievably tough to have this happen to one of your close buddies. Like Damon said when he started talking, his love for LP does NOT absolve him from what he's done.Originally posted by red rover 70:
My heart breaks for the people who love and care about him.
I'm telling you, you're wrong.Originally posted by mkbrkloster:
By saying the above you are saying that nobody, ever, had similar (or even worse) backgrounds and ended up being a decent human being. I don't believe that to be the case.Originally posted by big red22:
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The guy never had a chance with that upbringing.
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I believe there are many people (millions) that pull themselves out of their upbringing hell to be highly functioning members of society, some of which are likely your neighbors, co-workers, and even friends or family. Few people with similar backgrounds as LP were given as many chances and resources to break that generational cycle. He chose not to accept any of it.
lol has "little" to do with helping someone with a psychological condition... just a way to bolster his reputation in a league (SEC) full of shady conduct. There are plenty of criminals incarcerated in full awareness that what they did was going to put them there. Its tough to say, but I like the chances of LP killing a person that wasn't a murderer if he was "finished" for hitting a girl.Originally posted by cubsker:
spurrier's position on the female thing is a much better approach.
"If you ever hit a girl, you're not going to play on our team," he said during his weekly news conference. "You're finished."
"We're not going to have any player on our team that's done that," he said. "I can't understand why every coach doesn't have that rule and why every company doesn't have that rule for their employees. I think it could put a pretty good end to this stuff. Really, it's amazing that America has sort of put up with it or compromised, but that is something that should never happen."
"I would think every coach would have that rule," he said. "I don't think they do. Some of them -- 'Well, let's wait and look at the situation' and all this, that and the other. You do have to do that. But once you know it's happened, I think it will help put an end to it."
Very serious.I'mriginally posted by St. Anger:
Not sure if serious, but mine does too. Would be unbelievably tough to have this happen to one of your close buddies. Like Damon said when he started talking, his love for LP does NOT absolve him from what he's done.Originally posted by red rover 70:
My heart breaks for the people who love and care about him.
IMO it wasn't about that. They didn't need him to continue to dominate. They were having no trouble moving the ball without Phillips. I think he's a case of a guy that if he didn't have football...there wasn't gonna be much for him. He seems to have proven that correct.Originally posted by WestCoastCornhusker:
That, and in addition, win a few football games with his talent.Originally posted by big red22:
I don't think Damon thinks LP needs to be let go here. How would you be today if you grew up with a step dad that pissed on you, and your mom just stood by a watched?Originally posted by hamneggs53:
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.
Damon wasn't defending what he did, but knows the guys back ground and feels bad for the guy. Like what a previous poster in this thread said "Some people were just raise to be (Bad People)".
I think LP is where he needs to be. He needs to be away from society, because he is a threat. Whether he gets the death penalty or life in prison, we aren't the ones to judge.
The guy never had a chance with that upbringing. The only mistake TO made was giving the guy a chance. All TO wanted to do was turn the guys life around.
The first head coach I coached under, often talked about reaching out and going the extra mile for kids that, "need us more than we need them". Granted, none were at this level of issue, but just relating the common idea of providing structure for someone who needs it...regardless of how much they added to the team. Obviously, if they were detrimental to the team, that was a different story.Originally posted by TheBeav815:
IMO it wasn't about that. They didn't need him to continue to dominate. They were having no trouble moving the ball without Phillips. I think he's a case of a guy that if he didn't have football...there wasn't gonna be much for him. He seems to have proven that correct.
It wasn't about football needing LP, it was the other way around. They were shelving that trophy with or without him.
Give a kid LPs childhood, some can overcome, but a certain percentage will not. Poverty, abuse, neglect, mental illness, LP had it all. He is who he is, and there's no reason to anyone should be shocked how he turned out. He still knew right from wrong, but some with all those problems growing up won't control their impulses. A certain percentage in this country are just destined for prison. There's lots of reasons why, and we are far past doing anything to stop it. I've seen it for years. Come into contact with a kid you just know will end up dead or in prison or both. Some have.Originally posted by mkbrkloster:
I never said overcoming a crappy childhood was easy. In fact, there are probably few things in life that are more difficult; but people do it, and they do it every day.
I disagree with you strongly about the plight of children and their upbringing. World-wide, millions of children have worse childhoods than LP, most of which don't try to kill people over a football game.
Yep. And thank God, Allah, Jehovah, and Mother Earth I have reasonably functioning brain chemistry and a childhood that, while hardly out of the pages of the Saturday Evening Post, did include parents who didn't completely mess me up.Originally posted by newAD:
I don't blame LP for who he is. I don't excuse him for who he turned out to be.
The dude is a brilliant announcer. The spring game was outstanding.Originally posted by mwulf:
Damon should be on every sports or news outlet that wants to talk about this story ...this segment was maybe the best they have ever had
^ Absolutely agree. Damon is the hands down the best color commentator I have ever heard for a Husker game.Originally posted by St. Anger:
The dude is a brilliant announcer. The spring game was outstanding.Originally posted by mwulf:
Damon should be on every sports or news outlet that wants to talk about this story ...this segment was maybe the best they have ever had
I would recommend actually listening to the podcast.Originally posted by hamneggs53:
Poor Damon, crying about a thug who should've not only been thrown off the team but kicked the hell out of school after what he did. I hope the guy rots in prison.Originally posted by newAD:
Benning is talking about him right now. Started at about 7:28 or so, so I'm guessing the 3rd podcast for the day when up. Never heard Benning about to come to tears on the air. Pretty moving.