Not speaking for kong, but what I think he's saying is a lot of these doctors are full of shit.
Edit** I posted this almost exactly the same time as kong issued his reply.
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Edit** I posted this almost exactly the same time as kong issued his reply.
or are well-meaning mouthpieces for their underwriters, something we can all relate to in various degrees
these are people who have been very well trained not to think for themselves and to take orders or risk killing people
ironic, I know, but I don't vilify individuals so much as the institutions that create them & incentivize this behavior over doing what's right/using their training in context with critical thinking
You make good points. Out of curiosity: would you consider yourself an anarchist?
Some have destroyed their credibility for sure. BUT some of the social media antivacc docs are way out on a limb as well. I have never said that the vaccine was a panacea for all people. It was great for high risk people and as a mitigation tool.
No, but then again I don’t consider myself much of anything.
I think labels and groups are the enemy of progress, just like insulated laurel-resting.
That's always true, but censoring and/or canceling some of the most well respected and credentialed doctors and scientists on the other side of the debate was a HUGE mistake. If they were wrong, they should have debated their ideas instead and proved they were cranks. Doing what they did threw fuel on the fire. The establishment is way more responsible for undermining their credibility than the opposition was.
The ridiculous thing is, here we are 3 years later, and regardless of which side you land on, its still us v. them.
I still don't know one single person who did NOT take the jab that regrets its. I know for a fact, the other side can't say that.
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Your first link was a study done in December 2020 and compiled by 64 Pfizer staff and 10 staff from BioNTech - a German company that manufactures mRNA "vaccines". In addition, the listed author affiliations were almost all affiliated with Pfizer Inc.
An up to date study with zero chance of bias......
I'm as anti-vax (mandated) as they come. But someone wanting to argue this post might say there are people who regret NOT getting the jab, but they are dead from Covid, so can't express their regret.
you won't find a single study from today that shows any vax OR intervention was useful
all were a net negative (unless you were one of the elite few who made assloads of cash)
fair enough - but the government forced it on students, workers, and all sorts of low risk people even after it became clear it had rare but VERY signficant side effects, was not needed for young healthy people and did not eliminate spread. Politically they could not backtrack because it would look bad.
You can believe what you want but its more convincing to have some reputable studies to support your views. here are two studies of many showing benefit-Not affiliated with the companies that made the vaccines. What therapies do you think work to prevent Serious Covid infection? Can you share the references with me?
Third Dose of BNT162b2 Vaccine and Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death
This cohort study investigates the association of the third dose of BNT162b2 vaccine with overall SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 hospitalization, and mortality among long-term care facility residents during the Delta variant surge in Israel.
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These therapies proved overwhelmingly successful:You can believe what you want but its more convincing to have some reputable studies to support your views. here are two studies of many showing benefit-Not affiliated with the companies that made the vaccines. What therapies do you think work to prevent Serious Covid infection? Can you share the references with me?
Third Dose of BNT162b2 Vaccine and Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death
This cohort study investigates the association of the third dose of BNT162b2 vaccine with overall SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 hospitalization, and mortality among long-term care facility residents during the Delta variant surge in Israel.
- don’t be a fatass
- go outside
Covid = A trick to get old people on a vent and dumb people to get an injection, and some smart people (friends and loved ones included )
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I'm suspicious of the medical-pharma-industrial complex in a lot of ways and yes, they do it to themselves. I understand we have to try to adapt to the latest medical science, and science changes. But time after time after time the stuff they preach changes and it is like, oh well, "the science has changed". Take for instance people with high cholesterol being told they can't eat stuff like eggs. Now they can because "they" decided eating high cholesterol foods does not impact your blood cholesterol. No biggie, it is just people have been choking down nasty Egg Beaters for breakfast for 20 years when they could have been enjoying real eggs. Same with beef - was OK, then was bad, now OK. Blood pressure in 65 year old male 130/81 used to be great, now "hypertensive". LDL of 110 used to cause a guy to jump up and down with joy, now candidate for a statin if you can't get it below 100. Doctors used to recommend smoking for throat health, now not OK. And on and on.
Years ago I was dizzy as **** for about 6-7 days...
First...I saw a doctor who did an EKG and when I told him my height and weight 6'3, 200 pounds, he looked at a chart on the wall to let me know I was in the unhealthy (fat ass) weight category. He wanted me to come back for a bunch of tests and so on. I was about 37 at the time.
I worked with a lady who had a daughter with tons of super crazy head issues...her doctor who is NEVER free, had an opening and got me in that day, (this was I think 2 days after the first doc). This doc, looked me over and said something to his nurse in medical jargon...he said "Go on home, you will be fine in 24-48 hours"
I sald "Really? No drugs no pills, nothing?" and he said "Look, I Cana run a bunch of tests and prescribe stuff for you and cost your a lot of money but trust me, in two days you will be fine, if not, call me and I will see you that day...you just have the tail end of an inner ear infection"
two days later...I was totally fine.
Two super different approaches to treating me.
I agree completely with the sentiment about forced vaccination.
I know its fun to say this and blame and make fun of fatty, but I hate to break it to you guys(again), but that's also not true. Knock yourselves out though. I know you will.
By definition there most certainly was a pandemic. It wiped mostly people with other health problems and some stressed younger otherwise healthy people who were confined in urban areas. I know the vaccine is controversial but IME in our area it really did reduce mortalities in high risk populations.
Don't forget that just before Covid made its way here, we were having a big Flu death season. And that suddenly disappeared like a fart in the wind.
Given how unreliable the PCR test was and the fact that the government was financially incentivizing Covid diagnosis while simultaneously taking away elective surgeries from hospitals which are one of their main revenue generators, I don't know how you can trust the veracity of the number of Covid cases and deaths that were reported.
As of now, I think Covid was real, but whether there were enough cases to classify it as a pandemic I have serious doubts about. Flu completely disappeared for some reason. I think it's more likely all flu cases were being diagnosed as Covid.
I disagree. It was a plandemic.
What was the quote from the political operative "never let a good crisis go to waste"? F'n crooks. There is zero doubt that the whole BLM thing and COVID were used to further a political agenda. They've spent us in to oblivion. Idiots.
LOL. I replied to your post and a mod has already deleted it. That took about 20 seconds. Sigh.
Are or is a mod(s) really deleting posts ITT? If so, that's some chickenshit behavior right there. F'n cowardice. Imagine being that person or persons in daily life. What a cuck.
Even though you and I disagree on certain aspects of the whole Covid thing, you're no more controversial in your views than most of us.
Not that it's my business, I guess I don't get why your comments/views were deleted.
(I've only had one post deleted by the mods, and if this is number 2, oh well. LOL).
Death rate and obesity rate by country were identical
Probably a coincidence
If I had time I would go through the second paper and refute every other sentence, but I don't care to. It was written by someone who wanted to prove the "vaccines" were effective in saving lives and preventing hospitalizations, and the effectiveness wore off over time (a little). People who want to believe this point of view read the paper and use it as proof. I read the paper and call BS.You can believe what you want but its more convincing to have some reputable studies to support your views. here are two studies of many showing benefit-Not affiliated with the companies that made the vaccines. What therapies do you think work to prevent Serious Covid infection? Can you share the references with me?
Third Dose of BNT162b2 Vaccine and Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death
This cohort study investigates the association of the third dose of BNT162b2 vaccine with overall SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 hospitalization, and mortality among long-term care facility residents during the Delta variant surge in Israel.
At the time of the paper he states over 800K died from Covid in the US. I call BS because many many cases of death obviously caused by something else were attributed to Covid. Not admitting this is either naïve or lying to yourself.
"One key step to ending this pandemic is the deployment of durably effective vaccines" - OR...letting it run its course so the population develops herd immunity.
"A Cox regression model was used to evaluate vaccine effectiveness in reducing the hazard rate" - Cox models are not meant to be causal, they are relational, but Cox himself (if he were still alive) would tell you isolating causes using the model's relations is difficult.
"Covid-19 was defined as either asymptomatic or symptomatic infection with SARS-CoV-2" - here is the crux and where the paper falls apart IMO. They have data that is probably fairly accurate showing who was vaccinated and their sex, races and ages. They have data showing how many of these people died or were hospitalized attributed to Covid. But they DO NOT have data indicating how many people were "vaccinated", got Covid, but had no symptoms. A whole bunch of that happening would hammer their "Effectiveness" numbers. The paper DOES NOT explain how unjabbed people who don't die or are not hospitalized are counted to compare with jabbed people. Maybe that is explained in the supplement, but the supplement link in the paper doesn't work. The paper also DOES NOT explain how they account for people who are "vaccinated", become ill, but don't go in for a Covid test or don't go to the hospital.
So....if this were Hamilton Burger making the case the "vaccines" are very effective early on, but are less effective over time, Perry Mason would object Burger was stating facts not in evidence (that the jab was initially effective).
Like I said, you can believe what you want.
There are hundreds of papers that show the same kinds of things about vaccinations and Covid, in many different countries by many different authors, Each paper does not cover every single aspect of the topic individually, as you know. Collectively they deal with all the questions you ask
I’m glad you didn’t lose anybody you knew to Covid. I’m glad you didn’t get sick from Covid.
I’m glad you didn’t have to take care of people who died from Covid. I did.
Just saw a pro bball player died from Vax like this week. Myocarditis. Every patient I’ve seen with a new diagnosis of myocarditis was vaccinated, because when I see on their health history it I ask. Because I like to know these things
Does myocarditis ever completely "resolve"?Just saw a pro bball player died from Vax like this week. Myocarditis. Every patient I’ve seen with a new diagnosis of myocarditis was vaccinated, because when I see on their health history it I ask. Because I like to know these things
Sure. It’s an inflammatory condition that can usually be treated successfully. Makes ya wonder what science exactly went into manufacture of both the virus, and the ‘vaccines’, dunnit?
Not the first þime Fauci has messed people up. COVID may have helped you with a virus that had a 98 percent survival rate but it shouldn't have never been forced on people with the info they already had.
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