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Wisconsin: My take on your division mate/future opponent

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I've already seen one of you guys look at the Michigan score and assume things were pretty tight. Technically 14-7 is tight but to paraphrase a Badger writer...once Michigan took the lead you felt like the game was over. Michigan out gained them over 2:1, it was nearly 3:1 in 1st downs and if Michigan hits its FGs (none was longer than 43 yds with one basically a missed chip shot) it would have been more than a 2 TD difference. So my take:

The D: It is a very good D but I wouldn't call it great. Why I don't think it is great is because they aren't a shut you down with 3 and outs D. While no team ever shuts teams down to the point where they cause more 3 and outs than not (over time)...this team doesn't impose enough of it's will between the 20s where they are going to consistently win the field position battle. Between the 20s Michigan, which is not a great running team, ran the ball pretty well gaining 162 yards (the yardage if you take out the sack losses) which is not a great running day but better than what you'd expect against a D with Wisky's rep.

However, they really do excel in two areas: The first is in red zone D. It's called bend-don't break but it felt more like bend-hit a brick wall. For a team that can't hit a FG to save it's life (like Michigan yesterday) that is bad news but if you have a reliable kicking game points can be had. The second thing they thrive at is they are a smart and opportunistic D that can force you into mistakes and often takes advantage of them. It is a D that can score either literally or figuratively by getting you to turn the ball over and giving their O a short field. In particular, I was impressed with their safeties. #19 just always seemed to be in the right place at the right time. #14 seemed to come up and blow things up when they needed a play (especially in the redzone). You have to earn points against them but as I said they can be earned.

The O: This is arguable the worst O Michigan has faced this season. The only reason I don't say it is for sure is because Hawaii was worn out by travel so I'm not sure we got their best. After their first drive (in which they tried to exploit everything they saw on tape to get an early jump) they didn't have a single drive over 6 plays. Their longest drive of the second half was 5 plays and average less than 4 plays per drive (in that half)...the basically average slightly better than a 3 and out. Their one score was set up by an INT and 40+ return down to the Michigan 31. That was the only time they even got into scoring position...on all other possessions they never crossed the Michigan 35 spending the vast majority of the game on their side of the field.

I saw parts of their game against MSU and even though the QB was adequate in that game his lack of arm strength was pretty apparent. In this game it showed he is not ready for this level until he adds some strength and can throw into tighter windows. Worse yet, you can rattle this kid. By the end of the game it looked like he was just throwing the ball up, with his eyes closed, just so he wouldn't get hit. He certainly isn't helped by having play makers around him. Wheelwright is a nice player but really a #2 WR talent wise. I can't even name (or recall the #) of their #2 since he was non-existent. The TE we kept hearing about...well maybe he had an off game but he couldn't create separation against our LBs which aren't the strength of the D.

But Wisky is a running team, right? Well not this year (well at least in this game). Clement has the physical tools but he needs an obvious (gaping) hole to run through. Other wise he wasn't finding the creases often running, as fast as he could, right into the back of his OL. In limited carries their #2 also did a good job of running into his OL's butts. However, he does look like he could be a threat as receiver out of the backfield. He did score their only TD on a wheel route. Overall, from what I understand the OL was a bit nicked up but with the vision (lack of) and patience (lack of) these back showed they are a long way from being a decent O.

Net: I feel bad for their D because they deserve better. With even an average O they would be the contender they pretended to be the first 4 weeks. It's already starting to show that their two wins against top 10 teams weren't quite as impressive as originally thought. I think NU wins this game if you protect the ball and don't give up on the run...you'll eventually start moving the ball and pressing too much plays into their D's hands. You'll also be able to load the box because right now they can't hurt you deep. But, now that I've said the above I'm sure Chryst will turn into a magician, get that O going and make my analysis look foolish...that's how the message board jinx works.
 
It will probably depend on how hot their quarterback is that day and how well their line protects him. Nebraska doesn't have great pass rushers, so if he is accurate as he was against Michigan St., he will cause us problems.
 
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Trust me, Wisconsin will move the ball against our defense. We have no pass rush, and our db's give too much cushion on the short routes. We are also strangely bad at linebacker with our run lane angles.
 
About as unbiased as you could get.. well appreciated
 
They'll move the ball better than they did against Michigan but we match up better against their D than you did as well. Our offense will put up points. I don't knwo how many but more than 14. I don't see wisky scoring more than 25 on anybody without a ton of help (see: msu). Their offense is horrid.

If they're as ground down physically as we hope we have a very good chance to win. Madison is always hard though.
 
We have yet to play that totally clean offensive game. One will come along, this would be as good a day as any. It will be necessary to get our O-linemen back to full strength for the home stretch and pound some teams.

On D, we have lots to correct and good teams are going to beat us up badly. We are getting owned on their left, our right side. Freedom can't anchor the end and we seem to be a couple of players short over there often. We continually give the outside flats to receivers. Usually they are 6-8 yards and occasionally the receiver can turn it up for more yards. Sometime we are going to have to challenge those routes and undercut them or at least get a LB in the throwing lane. They have been way too easy and we haven't been playing any teams with Manning as a QB. What did we have, one sack against Illinois? That is not good. Again, we haven't been playing escape artists and we will need to get better. Saying we are still vanilla or haven't put in the blitz packages is an excuse that won't fly. We are minus that one speed and quickness merchant that can come from any direction and cause havoc on the QB. We get deep drops on obvious passing downs and the middle is wide open as we have seen QB's take advantage of. I think in some areas we are getting better but the competition is going to get lost better going forward and the proof will show up. Indiana will be a good test for this team. I am anxious to see how we perform.
 
For as pedestrian as the Wisconsin QBs always seem to be, they sure play well against us. Stave sure did and he looked horrible otherwise. Then again, new D under banker and new year so we'll see. Just hope Tommy doesn't shrink under the lights and pressure he will see up there.
 
We have yet to play that totally clean offensive game. One will come along, this would be as good a day as any. It will be necessary to get our O-linemen back to full strength for the home stretch and pound some teams.

On D, we have lots to correct and good teams are going to beat us up badly. We are getting owned on their left, our right side. Freedom can't anchor the end and we seem to be a couple of players short over there often. We continually give the outside flats to receivers. Usually they are 6-8 yards and occasionally the receiver can turn it up for more yards. Sometime we are going to have to challenge those routes and undercut them or at least get a LB in the throwing lane. They have been way too easy and we haven't been playing any teams with Manning as a QB. What did we have, one sack against Illinois? That is not good. Again, we haven't been playing escape artists and we will need to get better. Saying we are still vanilla or haven't put in the blitz packages is an excuse that won't fly. We are minus that one speed and quickness merchant that can come from any direction and cause havoc on the QB. We get deep drops on obvious passing downs and the middle is wide open as we have seen QB's take advantage of. I think in some areas we are getting better but the competition is going to get lost better going forward and the proof will show up. Indiana will be a good test for this team. I am anxious to see how we perform.
I think this nails it. It might seem strange to say, but I think Indiana will be our biggest test of the year so far. Wisconsin can wait. We need to win the next two first.
 
They'll move the ball better than they did against Michigan but we match up better against their D than you did as well. Our offense will put up points. I don't knwo how many but more than 14. I don't see wisky scoring more than 25 on anybody without a ton of help (see: msu). Their offense is horrid.

If they're as ground down physically as we hope we have a very good chance to win. Madison is always hard though.
I think you missed the point. Wisky shuts you down in the redzone. I will elaborate on my comments with the safeties in that they tend to take away the big play (between the 20s) and then knock you on your butt in the rz. As I said, they make you work for your points but they are to be had if you run a patient O and have a solid kicking game. As I said, Michigan wins this 23-7 (23 in more than 14) if our kickers don't go 0-3 on what were more the makeable FGs.

I'm not trying to get into a p match but Michigan is currently top 10 in scoring O (would still be top 5 if we made the FGs) while NU is ranked #40. Michigan did this against two teams currently ranked in the top 25 with both also ranking in the top 25 in total D. I probably don't have to tell you that you have neither played a current top 25 team nor one with a current top 25 ranked D (Hoke and his Oregon D gave up over 600 yds of O yesterday). So you might want to consider what I'm saying...I don't think you moving the ball between the 20s with be some great feat...it wasn't for us...compared to the rep of the D it actually came easier than I thought it would...turning it into TDs is another story...the second thing is if you can run a patient enough O so you don't play into Wisky's hands and let their D become their O...if you can you win
 
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Trust me, Wisconsin will move the ball against our defense. We have no pass rush, and our db's give too much cushion on the short routes. We are also strangely bad at linebacker with our run lane angles.
And yet they won't score a bunch either I bet.
 
Nebraska fans have tv's, are very familiar with college football, and watched the Michigan-Wisky game, too. We have cars, too, though we don't make them so probably defer to Michiganders' expertise on that subject.
You must be a real die-hard to DVR a game that was on at the same time as yours and watch it later...I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on Nebraska fans having DVRs and that you didn't have to tape it on a VHS or Beta
 
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Wisconsin is currently the better team and I think this bye week comes at a great time for them.

I would say the line will be Wisc -6
 
You must be a real die-hard to DVR a game that was on at the same time as yours and watch it later...I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on Nebraska fans having DVRs and that you didn't have to tape it on a VHS or Beta
Ok, it's true I only watched a small portion of your game while channel surfing. So I guess I should appreciate the half hour of your time it took to write the recap for us.
 
In Wisconsin's 5 games their offense has been the beneficiary of field position and turnovers.

I charted their scoring drives of 8 plays or 60+ yards to test my theory.

In games vs LSU, Georgia St, Michigan St, and Michigan they had

5 such drives for FG and 3 such drives for TD.

In the Akron game they had
1 such drives for FG and 6 such drives for TDs


In the four games that do not include Akron

Average drive is 6 plays for 25.43 yards.

The key to beating Wisconsin is not turning the ball over, not giving them field position on special teams and making them drive for more than 8 plays or 60yards.

They have had 15 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 8 plays or more in 60 drives and 8 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 60 yards or more.

Just a few observations.
 
In Wisconsin's 5 games their offense has been the beneficiary of field position and turnovers.

I charted their scoring drives of 8 plays or 60+ yards to test my theory.

In games vs LSU, Georgia St, Michigan St, and Michigan they had

5 such drives for FG and 3 such drives for TD.

In the Akron game they had
1 such drives for FG and 6 such drives for TDs


In the four games that do not include Akron

Average drive is 6 plays for 25.43 yards.

The key to beating Wisconsin is not turning the ball over, not giving them field position on special teams and making them drive for more than 8 plays or 60yards.

They have had 15 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 8 plays or more in 60 drives and 8 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 60 yards or more.

Just a few observations.
Great post. And I agree. They are beatable.
 
Trust me, Wisconsin will move the ball against our defense. We have no pass rush, and our db's give too much cushion on the short routes. We are also strangely bad at linebacker with our run lane angles.

How do we lead the B1G 10 in interceptions without a pass rush? Look, I know we have holes and Whisky may move the ball on us, but interceptions come from pressure....not all are just bad throws or bad routes.
Nationally we are 15th in pass efficiency D, 4th in interceptions, 12th in pass yds per completion, 31st in Pass yards D and 30th in total D.

Need to shore up the run D (60th) before hitting Madison, but I'm not sure they can move on us in the air.
 
I think you missed the point. Wisky shuts you down in the redzone. I will elaborate on my comments with the safeties in that they tend to take away the big play (between the 20s) and then knock you on your butt in the rz. As I said, they make you work for your points but they are to be had if you run a patient O and have a solid kicking game. As I said, Michigan wins this 23-7 (23 in more than 14) if our kickers don't go 0-3 on what were more the makeable FGs.

I'm not trying to get into a p match but Michigan is currently top 10 in scoring O (would still be top 5 if we made the FGs) while NU is ranked #40. Michigan did this against two teams currently ranked in the top 25 with both also ranking in the top 25 in total D. I probably don't have to tell you that you have neither played a current top 25 team nor one with a current top 25 ranked D (Hoke and his Oregon D gave up over 600 yds of O yesterday). So you might want to consider what I'm saying...I don't think you moving the ball between the 20s with be some great feat...it wasn't for us...compared to the rep of the D it actually came easier than I thought it would...turning it into TDs is another story...the second thing is if you can run a patient enough O so you don't play into Wisky's hands and let their D become their O...if you can you win

I wasn't speaking to who was the better team. Our philosophies from top down are different as are personnel. A classic pac-12 mentality will eat that wisky defense alive. Harbaugh ran it down their throat and it obviously worked.

We've also got some of the better personnel if not the best non osu in the conference to take advantage of those weaknesses.

... and 6 fg and a td is 25 points. As was pointed out previously wisky effectively does not score unless it is given to them. Take the drives and don't turn it over (even or better on +/-) and we probably win.

I do not believe wisky can score more than 25 without a ton of help.

We've got a good shot. Madison is tough. I'm not saying anything more or less than that.

P.s. our kicker makes 6 of 7 most likely
 
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I wasn't speaking to who was the better team. Our philosophies from top down are different as are personnel. A classic pac-12 mentality will eat that wisky defense alive. Harbaugh ran it down their throat and it obviously worked.

We've also got some of the better personnel if not the best non osu in the conference to take advantage of those weaknesses.

... and 6 fg and a td is 25 points. As was pointed out previously wisky effectively does not score unless it is given to them. Take the drives and don't turn it over (even or better on +/-) and we probably win.

I do not believe wisky can score more than 25 without a ton of help.

We've got a good shot. Madison is tough. I'm not saying anything more or less than that.

P.s. our kicker makes 6 of 7 most likely
I might be reading too much into your post but would it surprise you if I told you that NU has been more run heavy than Michigan this year? Well surprise:

Pass Att:
U-M: 158
NU: 135

Rush Att:
NU: 238
U-M: 214

Michigan started the game attacking with a short passing game trying to get the ball to our all-american TE and two receivers who will be playing on Sunday next year...one who led the B10 (I think the nation actually) in YAC (Contact) last year and the other who is our fastest player and was 1st team all B10 last year. Michigan came out and threw on 5 of 6 of the first 1st downs. It was later in the game Michigan shifted to more of a focus on power running as that is what the D gave us/weakness was (run wise they sold out on setting the edge and not letting anything get outside...totally eliminating he effectiveness of our jet sweeps which are a staple of our O). But maybe I am reading way too much into your post...could you explain why your O is perfect for attacking their 3-4?
 
BTW...if you are looking for what works in he redzone against Wisky you might want to try the "train-formation"

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Wisconsin is currently the better team and I think this bye week comes at a great time for them.

I would say the line will be Wisc -6
Who knows. Maybe Illinois is better than we think? They sucked against Western Michigan but I see they are rankrd
Wisconsin is going to kick our a$$.
People bitch about our close win over Oregon and complain about only defeating Illinois by 15, but didn't Wisconsin barely beat Georgia St at home? Don't understand why so many people have a hard-on for the Badgers? Yes, they have a decent D but offensively they ain't nothing special that's for sure! Get healthy and we can definitely win that game.
 
In Wisconsin's 5 games their offense has been the beneficiary of field position and turnovers.

I charted their scoring drives of 8 plays or 60+ yards to test my theory.

In games vs LSU, Georgia St, Michigan St, and Michigan they had

5 such drives for FG and 3 such drives for TD.

In the Akron game they had
1 such drives for FG and 6 such drives for TDs


In the four games that do not include Akron

Average drive is 6 plays for 25.43 yards.

The key to beating Wisconsin is not turning the ball over, not giving them field position on special teams and making them drive for more than 8 plays or 60yards.

They have had 15 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 8 plays or more in 60 drives and 8 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 60 yards or more.

Just a few observations.
Thanks; very impressive from several angles; on how to win the game - what to take away and how to perform.
 
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I have to laugh at Husker fans. Our fan base will find a narrative and then beat it into the ground, even if it isn't necessarily accurate.

Nebraska still lacks elite pass rushers. That's accurate. And I won't try to blow smoke up your arses about the Pass rush being elite. Its not there yet, but its a little above average. Its not a dumpster fire like it has been, and despite the strange obsessive Husker fan perception, Nebraska is placing some heat and even getting to opposing QB's.

The Huskers are currently tied for 5th in the league in total sacks. The pass rush IS much improved from the dumpster fire of a year ago, despite losing two NFL players. The Huskers have also only allowed 3 TD passes all season

The Huskers finished with 24 sacks in 13 games last season, and teams were throwing the football, on average, nearly 20 times MORE per game. Nebraska already has half that number in 2016, in only 5 games. Nebraska should finish with 30 to 32 total sacks vs. much fewer pass attempts by season's end.

An even worse stat from last season was QB Hurries. The Huskers finished with an absolutely dreadful 34 QB hurries in 2015. That's God Awful. So far, through 5 games in 2016, Nebraska already has 16 QB Hurries. They are putting more pressure on opposing QB's its pretty clear.

If you want to see what NO pass rush looks like, then look at Michigan State. The Spartans ONLY HAVE 5 SACKS through 5 games.
 
I have to laugh at Husker fans. Our fan base will find a narrative and then beat it into the ground, even if it isn't necessarily accurate.

Nebraska still lacks elite pass rushers. That's accurate. And I won't try to blow smoke up your arses about the Pass rush being elite. Its not there yet, but its a little above average. Its not a dumpster fire like it has been, and despite the strange obsessive Husker fan perception, Nebraska is placing some heat and even getting to opposing QB's.

The Huskers are currently tied for 5th in the league in total sacks. The pass rush IS much improved from the dumpster fire of a year ago, despite losing two NFL players. The Huskers have also only allowed 3 TD passes all season

The Huskers finished with 24 sacks in 13 games last season, and teams were throwing the football, on average, nearly 20 times MORE per game. Nebraska already has half that number in 2016, in only 5 games. Nebraska should finish with 30 to 32 total sacks vs. much fewer pass attempts by season's end.

An even worse stat from last season was QB Hurries. The Huskers finished with an absolutely dreadful 34 QB hurries in 2015. That's God Awful. So far, through 5 games in 2016, Nebraska already has 16 QB Hurries. They are putting more pressure on opposing QB's its pretty clear.

If you want to see what NO pass rush looks like, then look at Michigan State. The Spartans ONLY HAVE 5 SACKS through 5 games.
Great post. Got my attention, since this is a stat I have not payed enough attention to. I think we will only keep improving here too as young guys like Alex Davis progress. Maurice has a great bull rush that has routinely pushed offensive lineman backward toward the QB. Not sure that counts as a quarterback hurry, but it has been disruptive. I also noticed in the 4th quarter against Illinois that Carlos Davis was mauling the guy in front of him and hitting the "A" gap getting close to the QB.
 
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In Wisconsin's 5 games their offense has been the beneficiary of field position and turnovers.

I charted their scoring drives of 8 plays or 60+ yards to test my theory.

In games vs LSU, Georgia St, Michigan St, and Michigan they had

5 such drives for FG and 3 such drives for TD.

In the Akron game they had
1 such drives for FG and 6 such drives for TDs


In the four games that do not include Akron

Average drive is 6 plays for 25.43 yards.

The key to beating Wisconsin is not turning the ball over, not giving them field position on special teams and making them drive for more than 8 plays or 60yards.

They have had 15 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 8 plays or more in 60 drives and 8 total drives (6 vs Akron) of 60 yards or more.

Just a few observations.


This type of stuff gives me an erection.
 
I might be reading too much into your post but would it surprise you if I told you that NU has been more run heavy than Michigan this year? Well surprise:

Pass Att:
U-M: 158
NU: 135

Rush Att:
NU: 238
U-M: 214

Michigan started the game attacking with a short passing game trying to get the ball to our all-american TE and two receivers who will be playing on Sunday next year...one who led the B10 (I think the nation actually) in YAC (Contact) last year and the other who is our fastest player and was 1st team all B10 last year. Michigan came out and threw on 5 of 6 of the first 1st downs. It was later in the game Michigan shifted to more of a focus on power running as that is what the D gave us/weakness was (run wise they sold out on setting the edge and not letting anything get outside...totally eliminating he effectiveness of our jet sweeps which are a staple of our O). But maybe I am reading way too much into your post...could you explain why your O is perfect for attacking their 3-4?

My comment was due to styles of play. Riley is an offensive coach who attacks the edges more in a pac12 style. Harbaugh pretty much ran down their throat like his teams always do.

I said we would score more than 14 points because wiskys d doesn't have the speed and riley has the pac12 mentality to attack that. Our skill players are every bit as good as yours or better and I'm hardly the only one who thinks so . In the end it'll come down to which tommy armstrong shows up. I really wasn't commenting on which team or offense is better. Armstrong is a lot like brett favre. He was going to go for it no matter what. If he had a good day his team won. If not they could lose ugly.
 
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My comment was due to styles of play. Riley is an offensive coach who attacks the edges more in a pac12 style. Harbaugh pretty much ran down their throat like his teams always do.

I said we would score more than 14 points because wiskys d doesn't have the speed and riley has the pac12 mentality to attack that. Our skill players are every bit as good as yours or better and I'm hardly the only one who thinks so . In the end it'll come down to which tommy armstrong shows up. I really wasn't commenting on which team or offense is better. Armstrong is a lot like brett favre. He was going to go for it no matter what. If he had a good day his team won. If not they could lose ugly.
Our OC came to Michigan from USC which last time I checked is still in the P12. Attacking the edges is very much a part of the O...in particular with jet sweeps and quick outs to the receivers. That was pretty much the game plan until Wisky shut it down (well it was to attack the whole field which is what Harbaugh teams actually do...well at least try to do). As one of the announcers mentioned Wisky might be the best in the country at setting the edge...thus why we went up the middle. And as far as our skill guys...well ESPN as well as a bunch of other publications had ours as the #1 unit in the B10 in the preseason:

http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/131772/which-big-ten-team-has-the-best-wide-receivers
 
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Our OC came to Michigan from USC which last time I checked is still in the P12. Attacking the edges is very much a part of the O...in particular with jet sweeps and quick outs to the receivers. That was pretty much the game plan until Wisky shut it down (well it was to attack the whole field which is what Harbaugh teams actually do...well at least try to do). As one of the announcers mentioned Wisky might be the best in the country at setting the edge...thus why we went up the middle. And as far as our skill guys...well ESPN as well as a bunch of other publications had ours as the #1 unit in the B10 in the preseason:

http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/131772/which-big-ten-team-has-the-best-wide-receivers

Shrugs. I don't buy it at all with wisky being great on the edge. I've watched two games. Not overly impressed. They're an above average d. Not great.

We will score more than 14. You can call up a bunch of publications and I can call up a bunch too. We are more than good enough with a way more offensively minded coach. All the rest is you being in denial because I havent remotely said anything about your skill positions being bad -- only that ours are just as good or better and that we would score more than you against wisconsin.

You're getting defensive for no reason with someone who doesn't give a damn.

If push came to shove I'd say your offense was better on average but if tommy was on we were better. Your d is better than ours. Youd win 3 of 4 give or take.

Can we end this mindless defensiveness over things I never remotely implied now?

P.s. usc has not had a great offense in years.
 
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Shrugs. I don't buy it at all with wisky being great on the edge. I've watched two games. Not overly impressed. They're an above average d. Not great.

We will score more than 14. You can call up a bunch of publications and I can call up a bunch too. We are more than good enough with a way more offensively minded coach. All the rest is you being in denial because I havent remotely said anything about your skill positions being bad -- only that ours are just as good or better and that we would score more than you against wisconsin.

You're getting defensive for no reason with someone who doesn't give a damn.

If push came to shove I'd say your offense was better on average but if tommy was on we were better. Your d is better than ours. Youd win 3 of 4 give or take.

Can we end this mindless defensiveness over things I never remotely implied now?

P.s. usc has not had a great offense in years.
If you want to get past this my advice is to stop saying ignorant stuff. I've provided stats and links. You've provided opinion that I keep punching holes in. Speaking of which...in 2014 (Drevno's year at USC)...they ranked 31st in total O...nothing special...but it was just a little bit better than RIley's Oregon State team at 75. So please stop pretending you know anything about our O.
 
Nebraska has the overall edge when it comes to team speed and athleticism, but Wisky's OL and DL are much much better. I can see them winning by a comfortable margin - especially if we're missing key players like Cethan, Westy, etc.
 
If you want to get past this my advice is to stop saying ignorant stuff. I've provided stats and links. You've provided opinion that I keep punching holes in. Speaking of which...in 2014 (Drevno's year at USC)...they ranked 31st in total O...nothing special...but it was just a little bit better than RIley's Oregon State team at 75. So please stop pretending you know anything about our O.


Here is Athlon's WR rankings...it has Michigan at #5 in the entire country

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-40-wide-receiver-groups-2016
Magazines aside, take a look at the stats thus far this season. Take out Butt, and we'll take out Carter, and determine who has the better WR corp thus far. BTW, Moore sat out a game. Tough sell for Michigan. Perhaps Athlon underrated NU?
 
Doesn't really matter... You know Wisky is gonna pound a few of these before the game and run through Nebby.

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Here is Athlon's WR rankings...it has Michigan at #5 in the entire country

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-40-wide-receiver-groups-2016
Magazines aside, take a look at the stats thus far this season. Take out Butt, and we'll take out Carter, and determine who has the better WR corp thus far. BTW, Moore sat out a game. Tough sell for Michigan. Perhaps Athlon underrated NU?
Look...my point in this is the guy I have been going back and forth with didn't know what he was talking about when it came to Michigan's personnel. His implication that Michigan didn't have the skill guys like NU is laughable. The point really shouldn't be to argue whose is better but I went there (by posting pre-season position rankings) to make the point that to say Michigan can't exploit the outside like NU means you are not paying attention (btw, the game winning TD came on 46yd TD)...and maybe it was something Wisky was doing that led to how the game unfolded?

The guy is also dead wrong about our scheme. Does Harbaugh like to shove the ball down a teams throat (when he can)? Sure he does but he also likes to spread you out 4 wide and attack you on the edge (when he can). Harbaugh is a former QB who is known, among coaching circles, for being one of the best at developing QBs. Why Harbaugh O's win is the flexibility and multiplicity...on one play he'll have two FBs in the backfield leading the TB...on the very next play he'll have an empty backfield with 5 wide. What he also does is adjust quickly in game and take what the D gives him. We started the game attacking the edge because that was what had been working for us (in prior games) when other teams were loading the box. However, Wisky must of watched the film because they came out trying to stop it which led to us having more room up the middle.

I gave the guy a chance to justify his opinions but all he has done is give opinions that not only he can't support but the opposite is easy to defend with actual facts.
 
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