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Under the 4 team format, Ohio State wouldn't have qualified

i thought the cfp in the end pitted the two best teams. depth is part of the game. at twelve it was so much better than the previous 4-team "invitational." i believe 8 would suffice. but so would 16. beyond that, just stop. seed all the teams. no more byes. first two games on higher seeded home turf. and it would be near perfect.

congrats to ohio and our own will howard for winning the first true championship. ohio just had more jimmys & joes. plus, will howard was a better quarterback than riley leonard. talent was enough to overcome the coaching advantage notre dame supposedly had coming in. fun game with the irish comeback. but the better squad won it all.
impossible to say the 2 best teams played each other.

if Oregon Georgia Texas and Penn St received the byes

5-Notre Dame played 12 Clemson winner plays 4-Penn St in Atlanta
6 -Ohio St played 11 Arizona St winner plays 3-Texas in Tempe
7- Tennessee 10 SMU winner plays 2-Georgia in New Orleans
8-Indiana 9 Boise winner plays 1-Oregon in LA

Some of the matchups would be similar, just different teams getting the byes

Does Tennessee or SMU beat Georgia keeping them from reaching the semi finals?
Does Indiana or Boise beat Oregon?
If Oregon gets past Indiana or Boise, can they beat Penn St/ ND or Clemson?

The seedings played a huge part in determining eventual matchups.
 
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They still lost their last regular season game to a .500 team. If Penn St lost to a .500 team or if Indiana or Tennessee lost to a similar team, would they have done "just enough"?
OSU beat 6 playoff teams. They beat PSU at their place. They smoked Indiana, made them look silly. Yes they lost to Michigan but they had a very good resume. Their other loss was a road game to Oregon by 1 pt. It was clear to most that their ceiling was higher than anyone’s. This isn’t the old CFB.
 
Don’t need 16 teams with 3 losses teams getting in not winning their CCG.
12 is perfect just need the 4 top rated teams get byes.
just had a 2 loss team win it and think they probably deserved it. why not a 3 loss team get hot and win it?
Don’t need 16 teams with 3 losses teams getting in not winning their CCG.
12 is perfect just need the 4 top rated teams get byes.
 
just had a 2 loss team win it and think they probably deserved it. why not a 3 loss team get hot and win it?
Regular season games still need to mean something and those games during the regular season season matter..
I’ll use Bama for the example.
 
They still lost their last regular season game to a .500 team. If Penn St lost to a .500 team or if Indiana or Tennessee lost to a similar team, would they have done "just enough"?
If Penn State had lost to a .500 team it would depend on how they did in the conference championship game. A loss in the conference championship game would have put Penn State at 3 losses and most likely out of contention for the playoffs. Indiana was only a #10 seed, so most likely another loss would have put them out of contention as well.
 
But the team that won it all lost their last regular season game to a .500 team. Were they really playing that well when the selections were made?
well enough to be in the top 4? no. however, i wasn't super impressed by Penn State's very predictable loss in the B1G Championship or Texas getting handled by Georgia and their backup QB en route to their respective 2nd losses.

well enough enough to be in the top 12? of course. and it made for a cool story that they bounced back.
 
impossible to say the 2 best teams played each other.

if Oregon Georgia Texas and Penn St received the byes

5-Notre Dame played 12 Clemson winner plays 4-Penn St in Atlanta
6 -Ohio St played 11 Arizona St winner plays 3-Texas in Tempe
7- Tennessee 10 SMU winner plays 2-Georgia in New Orleans
8-Indiana 9 Boise winner plays 1-Oregon in LA

Some of the matchups would be similar, just different teams getting the byes

Does Tennessee or SMU beat Georgia keeping them from reaching the semi finals?
Does Indiana or Boise beat Oregon?
If Oregon gets past Indiana or Boise, can they beat Penn St/ ND or Clemson?

The seedings played a huge part in determining eventual matchups.
you beat who is in front of you.

Two teams that have beaten three top 12 teams in a row are winning the benefit of the doubt.
 
A 3 loss team has no business in a NC playoff. That is why I wanted an 8 team instead of 12.
i agree, except if they win their conference.

wanting to eliminate that is how you're going to get "b-b-but a 2/3 loss SEC team is probably better on paper" arguments.

winning your conference should always result in an automatic bid, no matter what.
 
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OSU won a tournament with a flawed seeding strategy. The best team of the 2024 season? Maybe? National Champion? I guess. Playoff champion? yeah sure, great job. I tuned in for none of it. Hoping its all better next year.
 
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OSU won a tournament with a flawed seeding strategy. The best team of the 2024 season? Maybe? National Champion? I guess. Playoff champion? yeah sure, great job. I tuned in for none of it. Hoping its all better next year.
this suggests, unlike leach, that it's better to pronounce a national champion than to play it off. i have never understood the rationale.
 
I could turn that logic right around and say what’s the point of going 13-0 and winning your conference, when you can lose to an unranked opponent and still win a championship. It’s essentially an NFL model where the healthiest team wins and not necessarily the best
Are you saying OSU is not the best team? I think most would argue that they were indeed the best team on paper and now on the field.
 
i agree, except if they win their conference.

wanting to eliminate that is how you're going to get "b-b-but a 2/3 loss SEC team is probably better on paper" arguments.

winning your conference should always result in an automatic bid, no matter what.
I would agree, which is why a 4 team playoff isn't enough.
 
Are you saying OSU is not the best team? I think most would argue that they were indeed the best team on paper and now on the field.
My problem isn’t with OSU or any other team for that matter. It’s that the current system wants to mimic the over saturated product of the NFL. One of the main reasons I watch college apart from being a Nebraska fan is that it’s not the NFL. To see CFB become that is just sad to me.
 
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My problem isn’t with OSU or any other team for that matter. It’s that the current system wants to mimic the over saturated product of the NFL. One of the main reasons I watch college apart from being a Nebraska fan is that it’s not the NFL. To see CFB become that is just sad to me.
this seems not to be about an nfl likeness debate but rather how best to select a ncaa football champion. and particularly the value or not of playing it off on the field rather than by committee.
 
If Penn State had lost to a .500 team it would depend on how they did in the conference championship game. A loss in the conference championship game would have put Penn State at 3 losses and most likely out of contention for the playoffs. Indiana was only a #10 seed, so most likely another loss would have put them out of contention as well.
If they lost to a .500 team they wouldn't have been in the CCG.
 
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i agree, except if they win their conference.

wanting to eliminate that is how you're going to get "b-b-but a 2/3 loss SEC team is probably better on paper" arguments.

winning your conference should always result in an automatic bid, no matter what.
OK if it is no matter what, so then which conferences "count" for the automatic bids? Again the team that won the 12 team tournament didn't even qualify for their conference title game. So with OSU getting a berth, does that really eliminate the b-b-bbut a 2 loss Big Ten/SEC etc team is probably better on paper argument? There is already a bias for those power league teams should there be a limit on the number of teams per league that can qualify for the CFP?
 
So we complain first that there isn't a playoff system and that BCS is flawed. Then complain that there aren't enough teams in the playoffs. Now we are complaining there are too many teams?


Which is the correct way? All have their merits. Playoffs won't go away, so best to just enjoy. Also imo a conference championship shouldn't get an automatic bye. I'm just a peon though that hopes Nebraska is ready to be at thy big boy table.

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Correct. Humans argue in circles. College football finally grew up and, like all other relevant sports, adopted a real playoff that accounted for a full season of variables and came to a pretty solid group of 12. Was it perfect? No. Tweaks will continue, seedings will be adjusted, scheduling should change, conf championship relevance will be reviewed, etc… Games that never mattered late in the season truly matter now. Embrace the awesomeness and push for continual improvement. I look forward to the Huskers entering the playoff conversation next season(No, I’m not drunk, yet).
 
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