There's something special going on.

[Truehuskerfan]

Nebraska should BE one of the 'big boys'.. the delusion on this site is sickening as to how far standards have fallen. They got 4 freaking recruits, currently ranked behind Iowa and Wisconsin. The recruits are good, but a lot people need to have their freaking heads examined.

Because recruiting rankings are SO important 10 months before signing day, right? I mean, it/'s over-Iowa is going to finish above us in recruiting just like they did last year because they were ahead of us for so much of the recruiting season?(By the way-they didn't-if you paid any attention to the recruiting rankings that MATTER after signing day) Don't try to make it so obvious that you are looking for something, anything to b!tch about. People who cite recruiting rankings in April as if they are relevant are the ones who need their "freaking heads examined".

 

[NikkiSixx]

Because recruiting rankings are SO important 10 months before signing day, right? I mean, it/'s over-Iowa is going to finish above us in recruiting just like they did last year because they were ahead of us for so much of the recruiting season? Don't try to make it so obvious that you are looking for something, anything to b!tch about. People who cite recruiting rankings in April as if they are relevant are the ones who need their "freaking heads examined".

It works both ways, but I guess you can't see that can you? The irrational exuberance over a couple of freaking high school kids and all of a sudden 'Riley is Killing It', and 'Theres something special going on' and all this nonsense.. it is just H Y P E, and you and a bunch of others are just eating it up. I wish I could bottle and sell that.. I'd make a fortune.

 

[Archie Graham]

Nebraska should BE one of the 'big boys'.. the delusion on this site is sickening as to how far standards have fallen. They got 4 freaking recruits, currently ranked behind Iowa and Wisconsin. The recruits are good, but a lot people need to have their freaking heads examined.

We haven't truly been competitive for these kinds of athletes since Osborne. Perhaps at times during the Cally years; though, I think these are better caliber players with higher likelihoods of success. Your commentary suggest that a coach should be able to come to a program that hasn't been relevant for a long time and make them a big boy. It's totally unrealistic. We can agree that we should be a big boy program; however, we haven't been for a long time. Period.

We finished the year strong. We signed a solid class. Now we are off to an incredible start. Let me repeat that: this is an INCREDIBLE start. Do we have to keep going? Of course. But the gains that have been made by this staff over the last years are massive. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

 

[Archie Graham]

It works both ways, but I guess you can't see that can you? The irrational exuberance over a couple of freaking high school kids and all of a sudden 'Riley is Killing It', and 'Theres something special going on' and all this nonsense.. it is just H Y P E, and you and a bunch of others are just eating it up. I wish I could bottle and sell that.. I'd make a fortune.

Unless you consider the context of the discussion. 2017 recruiting. They are killing it so far. So yeah...

 

[Truehuskerfan]

It works both ways, but I guess you can't see that can you? The irrational exuberance over a couple of freaking high school kids and all of a sudden 'Riley is Killing It', and 'Theres something special going on' and all this nonsense.. it is just H Y P E, and you and a bunch of others are just eating it up. I wish I could bottle and sell that.. I'd make a fortune.

And you are doing everything you can to try to deny or ignore anything positive going on-because you don't want it to be true. Riley is not your choice, and you can't bear to see anything positive he is getting done. Just be honest.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Now we are off to an incredible start. Let me repeat that: this is an INCREDIBLE start. Do we have to keep going? Of course. But the gains that have been made by this staff over the last years are massive. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

How can 4 recruits be classified as an incredible start when 2 teams in our division have twice as many and are ranked 12/13 compared to our 25th ranking.. The rank probably doesn't matter so much, but would you say that Paul Chryst is 'killing it'? Let's be rational here.. If you were talking about Urban Meyer, then yeah I would agree that he is killing it. I can't see how that term applies here. The recruits we do have are of good quality, but it just seems that too many people are going way overboard on the kool aide.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

Ok, WAY too early for this but one of my favorite movies is Midway. And the quote from Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor seems to keep popping up as the interest from recruits is growing.
Husker Nation is ready to get back to some sort of relevance and compete again.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

(The Kool-Aid is strong with this one)

Keep in mind when Yamamoto made that comment after Pearl Harbor we still had to go through the defeat of the Philippines, Bataan Death March, wipeout of the garrison at Midway and a lot of other bad things before the sleeping giant finally prevailed. Something to keep in mind if there are bumps in the road next fall.

As far as the Battle of Midway, if not for the failure of one radio on one Japanese scout plane, things could have been very different. Even in the best laid plans, a little luck never hurts.

 

[NikkiSixx]

And you are doing everything you can to try to deny or ignore anything positive going on-because you don't want it to be true. Riley is not your choice, and you can't bear to see anything positive he is getting done. Just be honest.

I honestly think people have lost their marbles. The same thing happened last summer when people on here were predicting 10, 11, and undefeated seasons. I couldn't believe people were so irrational.

Yep, I predicted a 7-5 season. It was worse than what I thought, but there were a lot of close games too. I'd like to see us succeed, but to watch everyone jump up and down like school girls at every commitment or feel good tweet, is particularly disturbing to me.

I still want to sell you a jar of hype!

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

How can 4 recruits be classified as an incredible start when 2 teams in our division have twice as many and are ranked 12/13 compared to our 25th ranking.. The rank probably doesn't matter so much, but would you say that Paul Chryst is 'killing it'? Let's be rational here.. If you were talking about Urban Meyer, then yeah I would agree that he is killing it. I can't see how that term applies here. The recruits we do have are of good quality, but it just seems that too many people are going way overboard on the kool aide.

Can you do me a solid? Can you breakdown how the rankings you are upset about are calculated? Thanks in advance.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Can you do me a solid? Can you breakdown how the rankings you are upset about are calculated? Thanks in advance.

I'm not upset about the rankings.. the 'doing you a solid' part, sounds kinda.. not sanitary.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I'm not upset about the rankings.. the 'doing you a solid' part, sounds kinda.. not sanitary.

Ok. Point blank. Do you know how the rankings you are citing are calculated?

 

[NikkiSixx]

Here is a visual aid I put together last week (before our latest commitment). I ended up not posting this, but here is an illustration:

 

[Truehuskerfan]

I honestly think people have lost their marbles. The same thing happened last summer when people on here were predicting 10, 11, and undefeated seasons. I couldn't believe people were so irrational.

Yep, I predicted a 7-5 season. It was worse than what I thought, but there were a lot of close games too. I'd like to see us succeed, but to watch everyone jump up and down like school girls at every commitment or feel good tweet, is particularly disturbing to me.

I still want to sell you a jar of hype!

Find me one person who predicted an undefeated season last year. For that matter, I don't even recall too many people predicting 10 or 11 wins last year. And find me somebody who said Ohio State was "failing" at recruiting.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Here is a visual aid I put together last week (before our latest commitment). I ended up not posting this, but here is an illustration:

Can you cite where someone here said our class is better than Ohio State's?

 

[NikkiSixx]

Find me one person who predicted an undefeated season last year. For that matter, I don't even recall too many people predicting 10 or 11 wins last year. And find me somebody who said Ohio State was "failing" at recruiting.

Here you go..

https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/...at-least-10-wins-in-the-regular-season.32250/

There are more threads, but that should get you started.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Can you cite where someone here said our class is better than Ohio State's?

No, Ohio State was my example of a coach who was actually 'killing it'.

BUT, I can find you an example where people say that TO (the guy who won those national championships) was actually the problem with the program... set it back years apparently.

 

[gw2kpro]

Here is a visual aid I put together last week (before our latest commitment). I ended up not posting this, but here is an illustration:

I think this is a bit of an indictment of how recruiting has been at Nebraska the last 5+ years.

 

[HuskerLLM]

OR

You can also click on the Av Star Rankings and see where NU is ranked.

Might shock you

 

[chicolby]

Nebraska should BE one of the 'big boys'.. the delusion on this site is sickening as to how far standards have fallen. They got 4 freaking recruits, currently ranked behind Iowa and Wisconsin. The recruits are good, but a lot people need to have their freaking heads examined.

I appreciate your perspective here, but the reality is, Nebraska has been mediocre at best for going on 15 years. To wish that Nebraska was a "big boy" simply because, is not realistic. I do believe the fan base, the facilities, the history and the coaches will position the team to rise again quicker than say a team without that history, fan base, etc.

So in the meantime, it is acceptable to get excited over "4 freaking recruits" and a win over a beat up UCLA and hopefully some wins this coming season. No matter whether you like it or not, Nebraska has fallen from the "big boy" status and is hopefully back on the rise again. Enjoy the small victories on the way back up.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

Here you go..

https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/...at-least-10-wins-in-the-regular-season.32250/

There are more threads, but that should get you started.

Sorry-didn't see anybody predicting an undefeated season. Try again. Also still looking for the people who said Ohio State's recruiting was a "fail".

 

[NikkiSixx]

I appreciate your perspective here, but the reality is, Nebraska has been mediocre at best for going on 15 years. To wish that Nebraska was a "big boy" simply because, is not realistic. I do believe the fan base, the facilities, the history and the coaches will position the team to rise again quicker than say a team without that history, fan base, etc.

So in the meantime, it is acceptable to get excited over "4 freaking recruits" and a win over a beat up UCLA and hopefully some wins this coming season. No matter whether you like it or not, Nebraska has fallen from the "big boy" status and is hopefully back on the rise again. Enjoy the small victories on the way back up.

fair enough.. just no jumping up and down clicking your heels together ok?

 

[NikkiSixx]

Sorry-didn't see anybody predicting an undefeated season. Try again. Also still looking for the people who said Ohio State's recruiting was a "fail".

try this one..

https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/threads/season-record.30024/

I know there is a third one, but haven't found it yet.. let me know.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

try this one..

https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/threads/season-record.30024/

I know there is a third one, but haven't found it yet.. let me know.

Still no undefeated predictions and no Ohio State's recruiting is a "fail" comments. I mean-there must be somebody. You wouldn't just make up a straw man argument would you?

 

[Cornicator]

Nebraska should BE one of the 'big boys'.. the delusion on this site is sickening as to how far standards have fallen. They got 4 freaking recruits, currently ranked behind Iowa and Wisconsin. The recruits are good, but a lot people need to have their freaking heads examined.

I think your argument has some validity, but you could benefit from better usage of tact.

1. Results do matter. If Riley goes out and follows up with another 5, 6, 7 or worse loss season, the heat from the fan base and the money folks will be blue hot.

2. The likelihood of big name recruits holding on to their commits after that type of season is minimal... Some might stay, but many programs have had top 10 classes by October fade with multiple guys bolting after a bad season.


However, your comment about Nebraska being one of the "big boys" is a bit contradictory in this context. Mike Riley signed 5 four star players the last four seasons at Oregon State. This was due to facilities, tradition, and the status of Oregon State within the landscape of college football. In just 16 months, he's already signed or obtained commits from 10 four star recruits at Nebraska. He's also in on 5-Star guys that that never gave Nebraska a sniff prior to 2015. He's selling Nebraska as a "big boy." He's selling the facilities. He's selling the tradition. He's selling the fan base, and he's selling his staff's credentials as well as the NFL players that have left Nebraska even before he arrived.

I've argued ad nauseam that Nebraska roles over out of bed and recruits top 25 caliber football players. These are the guys like Dedrick Young or Kenny Bell or Mike Rose - Ivey or Roy Helu or Maliek Collins or Vince. Those guys will always come to Nebraska. If they came to play for Bo Pelini, they are clearly coming to play for the N on the Helmet...

But winning with those guys only gets you to a 9 - 10 win ceiling. If you are disorganized on recruiting even those caliber of players, you will put yourself in a hole of poor depth. Once injuries or suspensions hit, you can be playing a team like Purdue with 11 regulars missing and lose... to freaking Purdue. You also can't continually leave holes on your roster like how Bo failed to recruit linebackers and defensive ends.

Riley came in and identified his biggest roster needs:

1. LB - has signed 6 linebackers since DEC of 2014 and already has the LB with the top SPARQ rating in the country lined up for the next class.

2. QB - Signed top 250 4-Star Patrick O'Brien, and recently obtained a commit from top 100 4-Star Tristan Gebbia... And we shouldn't diminish the fact he received a transfer from Tanner Lee, the Tulane Transfer... IMHO, he's better than both O'Brien and Gebbia... but that will remain to be seen.


You're right that he still needs to win. he also still needs to prove he can reel in big time Defensive linemen... Parella is on some big ones, but nobody has committed yet... There should be some sense to "pump the brakes." But, Husker fans have the right to be excited about a coach not using excuses on the recruiting trail.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Still no undefeated predictions and no Ohio State's recruiting is a "fail" comments. I mean-there must be somebody. You wouldn't just make up a straw man argument would you?

No, I'm not finding it right off the bat, but there was a 'regular' on here predicting it.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

No, I'm not finding it right off the bat, but there was a 'regular' on here predicting it.

How about the Ohio State's recruiting is a fail? I'm sure you won't find that one. So why did you put it in your image above?

 

[NikkiSixx]

I think your argument has some validity, but you could benefit from better usage of tact.

1. Results do matter. If Riley goes out and follows up with another 5, 6, 7 or worse loss season, the heat from the fan base and the money folks will be blue hot.

2. The likelihood of big name recruits holding on to their commits after that type of season is minimal... Some might stay, but many programs have had top 10 classes by October fade with multiple guys bolting after a bad season.


However, your comment about Nebraska being one of the "big boys" is a bit contradictory in this context. Mike Riley signed 5 four star players the last four seasons at Oregon State. This was due to facilities, tradition, and the status of Oregon State within the landscape of college football. In just 16 months, he's already signed or obtained commits from 10 four star recruits at Nebraska. He's also in on 5-Star guys that that never gave Nebraska a sniff prior to 2015. He's selling Nebraska as a "big boy." He's selling the facilities. He's selling the tradition. He's selling the fan base, and he's selling his staff's credentials as well as the NFL players that have left Nebraska even before he arrived.

I've argued ad nauseam that Nebraska roles over out of bed and recruits top 25 caliber football players. These are the guys like Dedrick Young or Kenny Bell or Mike Rose - Ivey or Roy Helu or Maliek Collins or Vince. Those guys will always come to Nebraska. If they came to play for Bo Pelini, they are clearly coming to play for the N on the Helmet...

But winning with those guys only gets you to a 9 - 10 win ceiling. If you are disorganized on recruiting even those caliber of players, you will put yourself in a hole of poor depth. Once injuries or suspensions hit, you can be playing a team like Purdue with 11 regulars missing and lose... to freaking Purdue. You also can't continually leave holes on your roster like how Bo failed to recruit linebackers and defensive ends.

Riley came in and identified his biggest roster needs:

1. LB - has signed 6 linebackers since DEC of 2014 and already has the LB with the top SPARQ rating in the country lined up for the next class.

2. QB - Signed top 250 4-Star Patrick O'Brien, and recently obtained a commit from top 100 4-Star Tristan Gebbia... And we shouldn't diminish the fact he received a transfer from Tanner Lee, the Tulane Transfer... IMHO, he's better than both O'Brien and Gebbia... but that will remain to be seen.


You're right that he still needs to win. he also still needs to prove he can reel in big time Defensive linemen... Parella is on some big ones, but nobody has committed yet... There should be some sense to "pump the brakes." But, Husker fans have the right to be excited about a coach not using excuses on the recruiting trail.

That's a good post. I know I should just let everyone swim in the red punch bowl and give attaboys.. but it's a slow day.. I thought I'd stir things up a bit.

 

[NikkiSixx]

How about the Ohio State's recruiting is a fail? I'm sure you won't find that one. So why did you put it in your image above?

It was more in response to the the same topic being discussed last week about TO being the problem.. it's sort of like let's make this look backwards just like the TO argument.. it was going to be an attempt to show how backwards the argument was.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

That's a good post. I know I should just let everyone swim in the red punch bowl and give attaboys.. but it's a slow day.. I thought I'd stir things up a bit.

Well, I'd call suggesting that people said Ohio State's recruiting was a "fail" is flat-out lying, since you knew nobody had ever said that.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

No, Ohio State was my example of a coach who was actually 'killing it'.

BUT, I can find you an example where people say that TO (the guy who won those national championships) was actually the problem with the program... set it back years apparently.

T.O. the coach set the program back? That has never been stated here. Nice try. And also nice spin. I see you have no idea to explain why you are pissing your pants in a positive thread, over rankings you have no clue about. But carry on!

 

[timnsun]

I jokingly stated that Iowa, Wisconsin and Northwestern were ahead of us in the rankings (either in this thread or another one)... Never dreamed anybody would actually use this as a valid argument that recruiting is not going well this early in the recruiting cycle.

I guess wonders will never cease...

 

[timnsun]

Nebraska should BE one of the 'big boys'.. the delusion on this site is sickening as to how far standards have fallen. They got 4 freaking recruits, currently ranked behind Iowa and Wisconsin. The recruits are good, but a lot people need to have their freaking heads examined.

This actually made me chuckle... pot, meet kettle.

The irony...

 

[NikkiSixx]

T.O. the coach set the program back? That has never been stated here. Nice try. And also nice spin. I see you have no idea to explain why you are pissing your pants in a positive thread, over rankings you have no clue about. But carry on!

I'm not so sure that TO really fixed the program. Rather he kicked the can down the road until it was all dented and weakened. TO's ego didn't allow him to find a proper replacement both times he had the opportunity. It is what it is. Nobody ever said that Tom was perfect, but sometimes you need to step back and view the big picture.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Well, I'd call suggesting that people said Ohio State's recruiting was a "fail" is flat-out lying, since you knew nobody had ever said that.

well I ended up not using it, but try not to focus so much on the fail part.. just the comparison and the killing it statement. I could have shown Wisky or Iowa instead, but it was more dramatic to show tOSU and on top of that, we know Wisky and Iowa are 'killing it' too.. (sarcasm).

 

[timnsun]

well I ended up not using it, but try not to focus so much on the fail part.. just the comparison and the killing it statement. I could have shown Wisky or Iowa instead, but it was more dramatic to show tOSU and on top of that, we know Wisky and Iowa are 'killing it' too.. (sarcasm).

You're the one who made the argument that Iowa and Wisconsin were doing better, now you are backtracking...

The reality is, you knew it would be idiotic to post a comparison chart between Iowa and Nebraska because of the quality of recruits... Nice.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

I am interested to see what happens in years to come. Riley showed the ability to cut dead weight in Hughes, but Hughes wasn't in his inner circle. If we start getting athletes, and they don't perform, is he going to cut guys like Cav, Banker, Read or other coaches he has had long relationships with. Personally I don't see it going there, but without much insight to the program anymore, the few listed haven't wowed me thus far. Great people, but we do need to win some football games.

Banker and other long time assistants have long since gone through the evaluation that Hank did and were retained. I don't see that being so measuring stick. He demolished that stick with Hank and doesn't have to prove again that he can make staff decisions to better the team.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Lol. Nice try. You are snowballed. Try again.

 

[NikkiSixx]

You're the one who made the argument that Iowa and Wisconsin were doing better, now you are backtracking...

The reality is, you knew it would be idiotic to post a comparison chart between Iowa and Nebraska because of the quality of recruits... Nice.

No, you are wrong.. I wanted to show how backwards the thinking was.

You got people saying coach is Killing it... and we are sitting way behind some others, it seems kind of backwards..

It's very similar to the guys arguing that Tom was the big problem with the program, it set us back 15 years.. this is the same guy who brought you 3 national titles.

people here have become backwards..

 

[NikkiSixx]

Lol. Nice try. You are snowballed. Try again.

is that like a solid?

 

[Truehuskerfan]

No, you are wrong.. I wanted to show how backwards the thinking was.

You got people saying coach is Killing it... and we are sitting way behind some others, it seems kind of backwards..

Would you rather have 8 recruits with 1 4 star player, or 4 recruits with 3 4 star players? I'll take the latter-at this point the total number of recruits is irrelevant. It's about quality.