The time might be right for Frost....

[HuskerHusaria]

I'll admit I didn't read a single post on this thread. So, here is my 2 cents.

Scott Frost, although a Nebraska son, just isn't quite what we need. He's best served doing what he's already doing. Maybe near the end of his career, if he's found success, he'll consider coming home for a good try.
NU and SF aren't a good match for either party at this point.

That being said, I really like Scott. It's Very exciting to see a Nebraska man succeed like he has.

 

[oldjar07]

My initial reaction to the Riley hire? This exact quote to my buddies "why would they do that, he is the only other D1 coach that loses at least 4 games every year and still has a job somehow. But guess what, I wanted it to work. I will want the next guy to work. I am not a petty bitch and hope someone fails. Why? Because I love Husker Sports. I Don't care if they played here or didn't.

I don't think anyone here wanted Riley to fail. Many people thought it was a questionable hire from the beginning. I thought he was turning things around last year and I wanted him to succeed. Heck I still want to see him turn things around this year. That means at least 8-4, not 6-6.

 

[oldjar07]

No. Not everyone. Just you and a few others. And I was right. Just because your feelings are hurt does not change the facts. Must be all the road games and couple bowls I went to before I realized he was a douchebag. He knows football, but was predisposed with being a douchebag.

Who cares if he's a douchebag. He's a football coach. There's a lot of douchebag football coaches. Nick Saban, Brian Kelly(though he hasn't been successful lately), and Urban Meyer to name a few.

 

[oldjar07]

I'll admit I didn't read a single post on this thread. So, here is my 2 cents.

Scott Frost, although a Nebraska son, just isn't quite what we need. He's best served doing what he's already doing. Maybe near the end of his career, if he's found success, he'll consider coming home for a good try.
NU and SF aren't a good match for either party at this point.

That being said, I really like Scott. It's Very exciting to see a Nebraska man succeed like he has.

If people don't think SF would come here now, why would he come here when we've snubbed him his whole career?

 

[HuskerHusaria]

If people don't think SF would come here now, why would he come here when we've snubbed him his whole career?

Exactly.

 

[barney44]

I don't quite get why he's so desirable

 

[Mack In Motion]

[QUOTE="Phillipe, post: 3702651, member: 69565]
And a fanbase got sold a bag of crap and bought it. And that is why we deserve what we got.[/QUOTE]

So....... if we did not "buy it" and instead did not support the Riley hire, what would be the difference?

He would have coached 1 year here and retired in order to placate the fan base? Eichorst cans him after year 2?

 

[oldjar07]

Exactly.

I don't think you got my point. I don't think we've ever really snubbed him before besides the timing not working out for an OC position. Plus, I don't think he would have left Oregon while working under Chip Kelley. If we go after him this year or next year, I think SF comes to Nebraska. If we don't, I don't think he's ever coming here.

 

[Cisco Red]

I don't think you got my point. I don't think we've ever really snubbed him before besides the timing not working out for an OC position. Plus, I don't think he would have left Oregon while working under Chip Kelley. If we go after him this year or next year, I think SF comes to Nebraska. If we don't, I don't think he's ever coming here.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Frost publicly state that we didn't even contact him during the last search? I can't speak for him, but I think most would feel a little snubbed by that.

 

[Phillipe]

[QUOTE="Phillipe, post: 3702651, member: 69565]
And a fanbase got sold a bag of crap and bought it. And that is why we deserve what we got.

So....... if we did not "buy it" and instead did not support the Riley hire, what would be the difference?

He would have coached 1 year here and retired in order to placate the fan base? Eichorst cans him after year 2?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying we bought a pile of crap by supporting him. that's what loyal fans do.

We bought a pile of crap by believing, despite mounds of evidence, the PR the program and the media have been selling for three years.

It's very clear the OSU staff that came here has been far from competent, yet so many people were willing to go with the narrative that they were the best staff since TO, All they needed was an airport....
It didn't take much to look beyond that, but nobody wanted to ( for various reasons, I suppose)

Now, look what we have become. Grab your ass, I doubt this gets any better

 

[otismotis08]

I get the sense that this program is going to have to go further down the tubes before the powers that be realize that top-down staff turnover is a MUST. I'm not wanting this to happen. I would have liked to see MR put us back on the map, but he is taking us nowhere. I just don't see the program leadership having the fortitude to make the tough decision until all four wheels fall off.

 

[HuskerDana]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Frost publicly state that we didn't even contact him during the last search? I can't speak for him, but I think most would feel a little snubbed by that.

Yes he did. I am not sure that I would consider that a snub at that time though. Even if he did feel snubbed, I am sure he would feel snubbed by SE, not NU. I am sure SE will not be around to make the next hire for NU.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I have said it before and I will say it again. The football program is broken and has been for years. Eichorst did Pelini a favor by firing him because the talent level in the program was dwindling. The problem for Eichorst is that he let him off the hook, now he is stuck with firing a coach that won 9+ every year. It was Pedey 2.0. If Peterson had fired Solich after the 7-7 season, the backlash isn't there, perhaps his candidate pool is more receptive. But he gambled on Solich continuing to slide and lost. Eichorst did the same thing. He had two choices, he could have fired Pelini in 2013 when Pelini went stupid in the presser asking to be fired, or he could have waited until the talent dried up. He chose neither. People will say that Pelini can be a douchebag because he was winning games, but the truth is most Nebraska fans I know what to be involved with the program. He was not very accommodating in that regard.

I am a little bit like 4.6.3, in that I do my very best to just support the football program, whoever the coach is. Most of us don't have a say in who is hired. What we think of the hire is pointless other than just having an opinion on the thing. I never understood the whole complaining about the Riley hire from the beginning. The only thing that served was to win the "I told you so' battle. What is the prize for winning that contest?

Sorry for the off topic rant.

Scott Frost is a good, unproved coach. I don't know the Frost's personally, but I know people that do. From what I am told, he is still in his feelings a little about not getting a look from Eichorst and may not want this job, even if offered.

 

[HuskerDana]

Nothing wrong with that rant, great points, Tuco. Agree with just about everything you said. And like I said before, I am just saying that the timing may be right for SF. It does not necessarily mean that he will even get a look.

If he DID somehow get the job, I agree with many here that have said "prepare for a rebuild, not a quick fix". Probably the main upside to this is that if SF was successful in a rebuild, NU most likely has stability at the HC position for quite some time. If he fails, well....I guess we would be doing this again in 4-5 years.

The bigger question should be, would a new AD be willing to take that risk?

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Nothing wrong with that rant, great points, Tuco. Agree with just about everything you said. And like I said before, I am just saying that the timing may be right for SF. It does not necessarily mean that he will even get a look.

If he DID somehow get the job, I agree with many here that have said "prepare for a rebuild, not a quick fix". Probably the main upside to this is that if SF was successful in a rebuild, NU most likely has stability at the HC position for quite some time. If he fails, well....I guess we would be doing this again in 4-5 years.

The bigger question should be, would a new AD be willing to take that risk?

How do we get to say it would be a rebuild with Frost? A lot of folks saying it should be done in year 1 or 2. If Frost really is the goods, a "rebuild" should not be uttered.
I have learned that much at least.

 

[jlb321]

How do we get to say it would be a rebuild with Frost? A lot of folks saying it should be done in year 1 or 2. If Frost really is the goods, a "rebuild" should not be uttered.
I have learned that much at least.

there is a difference between a rebuild and a regression ... we can agree that sometimes in order to rebuild you have to tear down ... that is what year one (maybe year 2) is for .. you shouldn't be heading backwards in year 3

now maybe the rest of the year will play out favorably .. but at present to get to 7 wins we need a 6-3 BIG showing

everyone knows we aren't going to fire Riley mid-season .. I think it is fair to speculate based on the teams performance in the first quarter of the season how the rest of the year will play out and the potential ramifications if the current trajectory remains ... the schedule gets a heck of a lot tougher moving forward

 

[huskerbaseball13]

How do we get to say it would be a rebuild with Frost? A lot of folks saying it should be done in year 1 or 2. If Frost really is the goods, a "rebuild" should not be uttered.
I have learned that much at least.

I don't think people should look at it in terms of wins/losses right away no matter who the coach is. Even with some losses you can see if a team is fundamentally sound, prepared to play, and disciplined. Purdue is probably going to win 4-5 games this season and you can all but tell after a few games they are in much better hands with Brohm. Right now under this staff we continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I don't think people should look at it in terms of wins/losses right away no matter who the coach is. Even with some losses you can see if a team is fundamentally sound, prepared to play, and disciplined. Purdue is probably going to win 4-5 games this season and you can all but tell after a few games they are in much better hands with Brohm. Right now under this staff we continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Agree. The whole staff needs to go to get rid of the stench. No more JC or low-level coaches. Like has been stated, there needs to be proven coaches in here.

 

[HuskerDana]

I believe double's comment had much more to do with the leash Riley was afforded. Which I agree with also. There were many that did not want to give him a half a season before pulling out the pitchforks.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I also think people need to look at the UCF program a little deeper. Yes Frost took over an 0-12 team, but the two years previous to that they were 12-1 and beat Baylor in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and 9-4 losing to NC St in a bowl game. Then the coach lost the team and "resigned" after 8 games and they went 0-12. So while the fact is that he took over an 0-12 team, it wasn't 0-12 talent. I would look at it similarly, but on a different level to what Urban Meyer took over at Ohio St. Tressel went 12-1 and won the Sugar Bowl before he was fired, then Fickel coached a year went 6-7, then Urban came in and went 12-0.

 

[HuskerDana]

No doubt about it. I would start with Chip and Bob....and work my way down from there.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I believe double's comment had much more to do with the leash Riley was afforded. Which I agree with also. There were many that did not want to give him a half a season before pulling out the pitchforks.

I'm not saying those people were right...but the way we lost to the likes of Illinois/Purdue even in year 1...that's not surprising. If the next coach has issues managing the game and it leads to losses expect the same backlash. Even if that is Scott Frost or whatever former Husker you want to name.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

I don't think you got my point. I don't think we've ever really snubbed him before besides the timing not working out for an OC position. Plus, I don't think he would have left Oregon while working under Chip Kelley. If we go after him this year or next year, I think SF comes to Nebraska. If we don't, I don't think he's ever coming here.

I don't think NU ever considered him? I don't consider that a snub, unless Scott wanted to come here. But, I don't see him wanting to then or now... afaik.

 

[Blackshirt30]

I also think people need to look at the UCF program a little deeper. Yes Frost took over an 0-12 team, but the two years previous to that they were 12-1 and beat Baylor in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and 9-4 losing to NC St in a bowl game. Then the coach lost the team and "resigned" after 8 games and they went 0-12. So while the fact is that he took over an 0-12 team, it wasn't 0-12 talent. I would look at it similarly, but on a different level to what Urban Meyer took over at Ohio St. Tressel went 12-1 and won the Sugar Bowl before he was fired, then Fickel coached a year went 6-7, then Urban came in and went 12-0.

You can breakdown Frost's work at UCF down either way you want to support the argument you want to make. Underselling his 6 game swing probably isn't the way to go. You're better off just pointing out his overall experience as a HC. Truth is he's only coach 14 games. UCF did lose some talent to the NFL before Frost got there (Blake Bortles, Storm Johnson. Breshad Perriman), but Scott's done fine there to this point. They play hard and fast. He has changed their culture and how they practice. That's not saying he should be handed the Nebraska job, but jeez, what they hell else could he have done in his first year at UCF that would have impressed you? Mike Riley took over a 9-4 Nebraska team and went 6-7 in his first year. The same Nebraska job that we were told "this is not a rebuilding job" when he was hired.

 

[jflores]

No doubt about it. I would start with Chip and Bob....and work my way down from there.

I'm rarely against coaches, but I'm against Kelly.

For one, I don't think Kelly would stay here more than 10 minutes. For two, he's a cheater at recruiting, which he reportedly hates (sound familiar Mr. Pelini?).

Chip Kelly is not the personality needed to build an island of excellence in the heartland. The only strength he has that overlaps with our needs is talent development, but that's not likely to be a fair trade considering the efforts he'd have to overcome in recruiting.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

You can breakdown Frost's work at UCF down either way you want to support the argument you want to make. Underselling his 6 game swing probably isn't the way to go. You're better off just pointing out his overall experience as a HC. Truth is he's only coach 14 games. UCF did lose some talent to the NFL before Frost got there (Blake Bortles, Storm Johnson. Breshad Perriman), but Scott's done fine there to this point. They play hard and fast. He has changed their culture and how they practice. That's not saying he should be handed the Nebraska job, but jeez, what they hell else could he have done in his first year at UCF that would have impressed you? Mike Riley took over a 9-4 Nebraska team and went 6-7 in his first year. The same Nebraska job that we were told "this is not a rebuilding job" when he was hired.

A couple of things, my point is that there was talent on the UCF roster when Frost took over. Yes Bortles and others were gone, but it wasn't a wasteland. O'Leary went ape shit and lost the team. The players stopped playing. They weren't 0-12 talent. It had nothing to do with Frost's coaching ability. It was just an observation about the actual talent level.

As far as Riley taking over the 9-4 Nebraska team. This has been beaten to death, but the fact remains, Eichorst went with a coach that was a 180 in offensive philosophy to Beck/ Pelini. To assume that Riley was going to come in here and run spread, with zone read principles is naive at best. It is no different than people who thought Diaco was going to come in here and run an attacking, blitzing 3--4 when he had never run it that way.

If you want to blame Eichorst, I am fully on board. The wise choice would have been to find an experienced head coach that had a similar offensive philosophy to Beck/ Pelini. That would have lessened the learning curve and put the offensive players in a better position to succeed.

But that isn't what happened. Eichorst went 180 and there was going to be growing pains. I don't understand the blaming of Riley for being Riley. He took a job he was offered. I would assume Eichorst was aware that Riley wasn't going to change offensive philosophies, but either overvalued the ability of the players to adapt or Riley to coach a run first QB to throw the ball and read defenses.

I am not giving Riley a pass, he has made his fair share of mistakes, but he was set up to fail from the jump. It was bound to happen when you replace a guy who wins 70ish% of his games.

 

[RedMyMind]

You can breakdown Frost's work at UCF down either way you want to support the argument you want to make. Underselling his 6 game swing probably isn't the way to go. You're better off just pointing out his overall experience as a HC. Truth is he's only coach 14 games. UCF did lose some talent to the NFL before Frost got there (Blake Bortles, Storm Johnson. Breshad Perriman), but Scott's done fine there to this point. They play hard and fast. He has changed their culture and how they practice. That's not saying he should be handed the Nebraska job, but jeez, what they hell else could he have done in his first year at UCF that would have impressed you? Mike Riley took over a 9-4 Nebraska team and went 6-7 in his first year. The same Nebraska job that we were told "this is not a rebuilding job" when he was hired.

I agree but Nebraska's 9-win seasons leading up to Bo's firing were fools gold. Hell, Minnesota and USM won 9 games last year as well. UCF actually played in big bowls.

 

[Blackshirt30]

One big bowl with a NFL caliber QB leading the team that year. The other bowls were really small bowls and some years (under O'Leary) they had losing records. Feel free and go talk with the UCF fans on their board and they'll tell you first hand the state of that football program before Frost got their. Quit acting like he took over a juggernault. Nebraska gets way better talent than UCF every year & the Knights were trending down the 2 years before Frost got there. Again the experience complaint against Frost is legitimate. Make that case, I can't really argue. But taking what Frost has done to this point at UCF is sort of weak argument and also "incomplete" since he has only coached 14 games. A 6 game swing is pretty damn good. And trust me, they will be better than 6 wins this season. It's not like UCF was loaded with top Florida talent before Frost got there, because it wasn't.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Alright so you fire Riley and throw the bank account at frost. Let's just say he goes 7-5 because, well he is new and there are coaches in the b10 that have forgot more than he knows AND IT'S TOUGH, THEN WHAT? You fire him and have nothing left in the cupboard after trainwrecking his career? Or you stick with him through 7-5ish seasons? I do believe you get very little out of development with MR and crew and again it's your money. Bringing in a guy who has been in the industry for a few years, 2 of which as an HC, to a place notorious for canning "good" (read:coaches who win games) that seems like a recipe for disaster and someone is going to "lose".

 

[timnsun]

One big bowl with a NFL caliber QB leading the team that year. The other bowls were really small bowls and some years (under O'Leary) they had losing records. Feel free and go talk with the UCF fans on their board and they'll tell you first hand the state of that football program before Frost got their. Quit acting like he took over a juggernault. Nebraska gets way better talent than UCF every year & the Knights were trending down the 2 years before Frost got there. Again the experience complaint against Frost is legitimate. Make that case, I can't really argue. But taking what Frost has done to this point at UCF is sort of weak argument and also "incomplete" since he has only coached 14 games. A 6 game swing is pretty damn good. And trust me, they will be better than 6 wins this season. It's not like UCF was loaded with top Florida talent before Frost got there, because it wasn't.

I missed where Tuco said UCF was a juggernaut... he said they had talent, but I didn't read juggernaut.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

You have a real hard on for Frost. Read carefully.

UCF did not have 0-12 talent. What that does not say is that UCF had top Florida talent. It says they were not completely void of talent. They should have won more that ZERO games the year after winning 9. Frost did a nice job, won 6 games and got to a bowl. Agree the jury is still out, but with Maryland, Memphis and Cincinnati the next 3 weeks, worrying about winning more than 6 should be the least of his worries. Then later games with Navy and USF. Could just as easily be 5-5 since they have had 2 games cancelled.

Secondly, after living in Orlando, I can tell you there are very few UCF fans. I could walk up game day and get 50 yard line seats at the ticket office. So finding a few on a message board isn't going to change my opinion.

 

[kaz36]

Alright so you fire Riley and throw the bank account at frost. Let's just say he goes 7-5 because, well he is new and there are coaches in the b10 that have forgot more than he knows AND IT'S TOUGH, THEN WHAT? You fire him and have nothing left in the cupboard after trainwrecking his career? Or you stick with him through 7-5ish seasons? I do believe you get very little out of development with MR and crew and again it's your money. Bringing in a guy who has been in the industry for a few years, 2 of which as an HC, to a place notorious for canning "good" (read:coaches who win games) that seems like a recipe for disaster and someone is going to "lose".

Why did you feel the need to create a new account to post over here?

 

[Blackshirt30]

You have a real hard on for Frost. Read carefully.

UCF did not have 0-12 talent. What that does not say is that UCF had top Florida talent. It says they were not completely void of talent. They should have won more that ZERO games the year after winning 9. Frost did a nice job, won 6 games and got to a bowl. Agree the jury is still out, but with Maryland, Memphis and Cincinnati the next 3 weeks, worrying about winning more than 6 should be the least of his worries. Then later games with Navy and USF. Could just as easily be 5-5 since they have had 2 games cancelled.

Secondly, after living in Orlando, I can tell you there are very few UCF fans. I could walk up game day and get 50 yard line seats at the ticket office. So finding a few on a message board isn't going to change my opinion.

Wouldn't say a "hard on", that's a weird thing to say. I didn't mean to trigger you or to make it personal...geez. I'm sorry I overstated your take on the UCF roster, it was a mistake. Personally, if a change was made I'm option guy and would want Niumatalolo (Navy) or Calhoun (Air Force). However, I do think Frost's stock is going to shoot through the roof the next year or two and he will be able to get better jobs than Nebraska anyways. I wouldn't mind him coaching at Nebraska, but my "hard on" is for Niumatalolo. Don't tell my wife though.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Why did you feel the need to create a new account to post over here?

I didn't. I actually did something dumb on another site and wanted everything to be together. I still have "I will not post drunk". Sensitive?