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Paul Johnson wouldn't be my first choice (top 4 though), but you're correct, his overall record is much better than MR's. His team isn't doing very well right now, but he's won his division several times and just won a BCS bowl last year.
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Man, it has to suck being you right now. You've been a Pollyanna for MR since day one. I feel for you.
Offenses that are primarily option based maybe...offenses with option elements...NO!!
Why would Paul Johnson or even Frost want to coach here if we can Riley before he even has a chance to bring in one recruiting class? Taking a job after that sounds like career suicide to me.
Truth: firing Riley after or before 1 year would be the biggest mistake that we could make.
Truth: firing Riley after or before 1 year would be the biggest mistake that we could make.
I disagree. How much more ridiculous football do we need to witness. We're 3-6. If you pay somebody enough, they will come.
I have never said bring back the option...just responding to your thoughts that option football is gone forever.
It is gone forever. I don't think Air Force or Georgia Tech are going to be playing for anything meaningful ever again. Get back in your time machine and set it for 2015.
Do we want to go where he is taking us offensively and defensively? If so then it would be a big mistake. If we don't like where this is headed maybe cutting our losses makes sense? SE would need to be dealt with first. We need to decide what we want to be - pass oriented? If we start recruiting for Riley's schemes and then fire him we'll be stuck with square pegs in round holes again.
Option football makes Nebraska....Nebraska....any offense works if you can recruit to it and develop it. They option has been proven to work and now comes in many forms. If you are clamoring for a pro offense, the Stanford type crowd good luck with that....the results have not been great when trying to pursue it
Nebraska has even run a couple of options this year and Oregon has option elements in their offense and I think it is 2015.
I agree. Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake. I would love to take Tom Herman out of Houston. He is young, a winner, and learned under Urban. Fire our AD tomorrow.
I realize that but you want him to run a Johnsonesque offense. I merely pointed out that Johnson has coached his system for years and gets to recruit in a talent hot bed and still has the same record this year as NU and Riley.
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Nebraska has even run a couple of options this year and Oregon has option elements in their offense and I think it is 2015.
Please stop. Now it's "option elements" instead of option. Every offense has "option elements"
It still works just fine and keeps many lesser talented teams in games. Paul Johnson would have at least three more wins with these same kids on our current team. He is a great play caller and it is a system that would help keep our injury filled defense off the field
Our last four hires prove that bringing the right coach to Lincoln isn't a simple task. We're growing a nice coach cemetery, if you haven't noticed. Axing another one (and way prematurely if you ask any coach) just pushes us further away from our goal.
No what I want is a coach that teaches fundamentals. That show up in penalties. Check out Navy's stats on that the last few years.
Who cares? You know who doesn't care? A good coach. Look at our hires. Callahan: retread with a bad system, Pelini: no temperament for the job, hired idiot assistants, crazy, Riley: about to be fired at OSU, bad fit
Our graveyard is our own doing.
Do you know what you have to be in order to get in to the Naval Academy? Do you know the kind of discipline those kids have? I really doubt that you could get that to work at a public university with a bunch of kids with enough talent to be competitive in the B1G let alone nationally. Our penalties have gotten better.
Then you can't say option football is dead. Find another thread to crash.
I feel sorry for you. You can't move on. Go buy the time machine from Napoleon Dynamite and set it for 1994. You can watch our best years all over again with Uncle Rico.
One thing for sure Tom Herman and Mike Riley's concepts are completely different. Herman converted a wide receiver to play QB - one of the new QB's qualifications was that he is extremely quick. Also, Houston has a vicious pass rush with effective stunts. At times two defenders have met at the QB unblocked due to creative stunts. The next two games will tell for Houston. Cincy beat Miami. Memphis beat Ole Miss. Then Temple in the CG I think. But this is why we need to decide what we want to be. Do we want to be a passing first team or more of a Meyer/Herman "power combined with read option" then pass team.
Please find any posts I have made that said Riley should be fired and replaced with an option offense or an offense that incorporates some option.
Yes we are up to 112th. Navy is 3rd. Any player can be taught discipline. It is a sign of good coaching.
Our players were taught out of control for the last 7 years. We'll never be able to instill the kind of discipline that a military academy does. Think about it. Those guys eat sleep and live discipline 24/7.
And yet Riley's teams have finished worse in penalties Bo's every year except the last year in the big 12. Riley has never taught discipline.
I've read some ill informed (to put it kindly) messages on this board over the years. The one above is among the worst.
Who is doing the firing that everyone is calling for? I'd like Herman as much as anyone, but Perlman is not firing SE on his farewell tour. He's got cakes to order.
We're at least a year away from coach shopping.
It depends on what folks mean by the option. One of the better GT teams in recent memory got absolutely shut down by one of the better Iowa teams in recent memory in a BCS Bowl. And they had zero to fall back on when the beloved option failed.
There are teams that use option concepts, elements and straight up rip off plays of the old NU offense, but there's no option team that is threatening to dominate CFB at present. Even with PJ sitting amidst 400,000 5* recruits in the Deep South.
If you haven't noticed, Mike Riley is well-respected in coaching circles. Good coaches (and responsible humans in general) are careful about which jobs they take. Good coaches care more about winning than making marginally more money at a place that has administration and fans that have no patience or tolerance.
I'm not sure how to respond to this. Herman or Fuentes would take this job if NU would PAY them. Riley might be respected because he's a nice guy but it's not because he's a great coach. He was about to be fired because his record recently was terrible. Marginally more money is not what we have the ability to offer. We can offer a good coach almost anything. You are clueless.
Since most of the national media, what we know of what coaches speak of the process, and other high profile types (many of which are former players of both our school and other schools) seem to indicate there is a "way things are done" and "firing a coach after a year" is not one of them, I think its relatively clueless to think we can act without consequence on an environment that is fairly clearly defined.
Wake up man! We just lost to Purdue! They hung 55 on us! I don't care what people/media think. The clown car that our coaches ride around in needs to end! Get out the checkbook and pay somebody that is competent to coach here.
I'm sure the University is anxiously awaiting your generous spontaneous donation. $10 million ought to cover it.
You might even be able to date it for next year, considering Perlman isn't firing anyone.
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