Again, it's a message board. I hope no one takes any of this seriously. If you do, well I guess good for you.
SIAP: More Big Ten Expansion
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I said they wouldn't pull out and you started asking for sources like I wrote a research paper. Then for some odd reason you refuse to Google the information that proves you wrong.
Many people come here for information in addition to levity and discussion.
I and a couple others tried to find your quote from the UCLA AD.
So far, nobody’s been able to.
Wonder why?
If accuracy is asking too much, then I guess lock me up.
I mean speaking for myself that is not in tune with all happenings pertaining to anything Husker related that many on here are. I hope the information I get is factual info. This is where I get a lot of my Husker news or updates.
Yep. I get that. But I look at this website as bullshitting with your friends from work at the bar. If I didn't believe what they were saying I'm not going to get in their face and keep demanding sources. That's extremely lame. I would look it up myself.
I've tried to look it up
so have others
nobody's found it
fabrication until proven otherwise
asking for your source was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to believe you, but now the lack of evidence is overwhelming.
also - this is you, correct?
You really are a strange dude. Are you somehow implying asking someone nicely for a link is the same as demanding a source to try and prove them wrong?I've tried to look it up
so have others
nobody's found it
fabrication until proven otherwise
asking for your source was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to believe you, but now the lack of evidence is overwhelming.
also - this is you, correct?
After all this you have yet to produce anything remotely proving me wrong. Meanwhile, other posters are providing links to articles you supposedly couldn't find. Not a good look for you. You're the one trying to be the board know-it-all.
And while you're digging up old posts will you dig up the one where you said Memorial Stadium should be grass because Nebraska is a prairie state? That was a doozy.I've tried to look it up
so have others
nobody's found it
fabrication until proven otherwise
asking for your source was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to believe you, but now the lack of evidence is overwhelming.
also - this is you, correct?
nobody - yourself included - has produced a quote from the UCLA AD to back up this statement:
UCLA AD says without going to the Big 10 they would have to start cutting sports
I initially asked for a source - kindly - because I wanted to believe you. your track record, however, made me skeptical.
looks like I was right to assume you made that quote up, because all I've seen are insinuations about the UCLA athletic department potentially facing cuts due to COVID lost revenue - a situation faced by dozens of athletic departments (including many in the B1G) across the country.
all of UCLA's 25 athletic programs survived the pandemic
meanwhile, in the B1G:
The Iowa Hawkeyes announced they would be discontinuing men’s gymnastics, men’s swimming and diving, women’s swimming and diving, and men’s tennis due to money lost during the coronavirus pandemic.
badgerswire.usatoday.com
I completely understand the continued pressures UCLA's athletic dept faces, that there might be potential impact on programs, and why a move to the B1G would be attractive given their current conference's economic uncertainty
but the @Huskers123456 post in question appears to be as fake news as fake news gets
the UCLA AD simply never said this:
without going to the Big 10 they would have to start cutting sports
meanwhile, in the B1G:
The Iowa Hawkeyes announced they would be discontinuing men’s gymnastics, men’s swimming and diving, women’s swimming and diving, and men’s tennis due to money lost during the coronavirus pandemic.
A Big Ten school becomes the first in the conference to cut sports programs due to lost revenue
A move that many have sadly projected was coming given the loss of Big Ten revenue this season happened yesterday. Wisconsin Athletic Director Barry Alvarez has been very public about the financial…
badgerswire.usatoday.com
I completely understand the continued pressures UCLA's athletic dept faces, that there might be potential impact on programs, and why a move to the B1G would be attractive given their current conference's economic uncertainty
but the @Huskers123456 post in question appears to be as fake news as fake news gets
the UCLA AD simply never said this:
without going to the Big 10 they would have to start cutting sports
Damn, just hit the start button for my daily blood pressure check when I read this. Laughed so hard my reading spiked.
Like I said, I'm not doing your work for you. How else do you interpret someone saying "this not only preserves the programs now"?all of UCLA's 25 athletic programs survived the pandemic
meanwhile, in the B1G:
The Iowa Hawkeyes announced they would be discontinuing men’s gymnastics, men’s swimming and diving, women’s swimming and diving, and men’s tennis due to money lost during the coronavirus pandemic.
A Big Ten school becomes the first in the conference to cut sports programs due to lost revenue
A move that many have sadly projected was coming given the loss of Big Ten revenue this season happened yesterday. Wisconsin Athletic Director Barry Alvarez has been very public about the financial…
I completely understand the continued pressures UCLA's athletic dept faces, that there might be potential impact on programs, and why a move to the B1G would be attractive given their current conference's economic uncertainty
but the @Huskers123456 post in question appears to be as fake news as fake news gets
the UCLA AD simply never said this:
without going to the Big 10 they would have to start cutting sports
I get it. You have a lot of time and like to argue.
Are you really Saul Goodman? Because you argue like a crazy attorney.
I ask you to source the quote you posted
you argued & postured constantly before finally admitting it was your interpretation
thank you for finally owning it
So just to be clear - you think that an AD saying programs will now be preserved means that programs were already going to be preserved? Like I said, you're one strange dude.
maybe
maybe not
the words might and potentially are there for a reason
he's done better than several B1G ADs to preserve all his programs during and after COVID despite the relative lack of resources
Well, your president was not the only one talking about expansion.
He is the president of Northwestern and he came from Oregon.
dailynorthwestern.com
At the assembly, Schill and the panelists also discussed UCLA and USC joining the Big Ten Conference. The two schools will enter the Big Ten in August 2024.
Schill said he is “not really thrilled” with the inclusion of UCLA and USC in the Big Ten. While he remains “skeptical about the initial decision,” he believes adding more West Coast teams to the Big Ten, in addition to UCLA and USC, could result in less overall travel time for all teams in the conference.
He is the president of Northwestern and he came from Oregon.
Schill talks athletics, Ryan Field at Faculty Assembly
University President Michael Schill and administrators involved in athletics at Northwestern discussed name, image and likeness policy; recent shifts in the college athletics landscape and the Rebuild Ryan Field project during Monday’s Faculty Assembly meeting. Faculty Senate President and...
dailynorthwestern.com
At the assembly, Schill and the panelists also discussed UCLA and USC joining the Big Ten Conference. The two schools will enter the Big Ten in August 2024.
Schill said he is “not really thrilled” with the inclusion of UCLA and USC in the Big Ten. While he remains “skeptical about the initial decision,” he believes adding more West Coast teams to the Big Ten, in addition to UCLA and USC, could result in less overall travel time for all teams in the conference.
I have said this many times, Nebraska fans loyalty to show up for games has been just as much a problem as it has been good. When you fill up a stadium for a team that has been sub .500 for more than half the time this last decade. The school doesn't have to produce a good product, because all of us suckers keep buying their shit product regardless. Minimal resources for max capital is the way they were looking at it. It stings even more when a team that gets a fan turn out like Stanford above, has been more successful (in general) over the last decade then us.Maybe not mountains and oceans, but something keeps them from being rabid.
I don't know, I don't think we've had a crappy football team because fans are too loyal. We've paid enough money to hire those coaches, I think the problem just has been the people in charge of hiring the coach have had lousy judgment picking the right coach. I hope and pray Trev got it right THIS time. We'll see.
Exactly. Baffling hiring decisions (Mike Riley) and holding on to a hometown boy for too long (Scott Frost) are the reason we have been down for so long.
Related to the tv deal getting done - I hope Nebraska is offering to play in primetime every weekend during November. Two things that will help recruiting - winning and consistently being on prime time. Both will help build the national brand back up and increase exposure. I'd absolutely be volunteering to the Big 10 offices to play any prime game they want.
Thanks for posting, I didn't see this. Great to hear that they're being proactive about recruiting the primetime slots.
Unless the media groups agree to pay more, the only thing adding programs to your conf does is dilute the payouts and with school payouts in the BIG approaching 100 million - the media deal would have to increase by at least 100 million dollars per school to make it a wash
What Nebraska Needs are inroads to Texas and the East coast again. When you guys were one of the top 10 teams in the country year in and year out you guys got talent from Texas, NJ, FL, OH ect. Somehow Nebraska needs to find that formula again. The BIG needs Nebraska to be Nebraska again.
Right now media companies are in a belt-tightening mode but that won't last forever and, as non-sports streamers enter the sports arena more and more, the competition for media rights will heat up.
There's also the issue of incrementally adding one or two schools vs. bigger picture where the sum is more than just adding up the individual parts.
So, if you look at incremental deals (with say Oregon and Washington) it wouldn't appear to make sense for existing conference members due to the money dilution effect. BUT in the bigger picture as the powerful conferences gobble up the remaining prime schools there's a monopoly effect that starts to come into play. Those huge conferences with all of the prime teams begin to have more negotiating leverage. You just can't get the same amount of views for advertisers or subscriber sign ups by replacing B1G/SEC conference games with the leftover teams like cheaper Mountain West games.
And if the PAC eventually busts up or weakened more - it gives more negotiating power to the B1G and SEC. Down the road I'll actually be surprised if one day the B1G and SEC don't get together (like an NFL) and negotiate media contracts together. They'd get more money that way because let's face it, under that scenario it becomes a monopoly with the most attractive (viewership wise) teams.
There's also the issue of incrementally adding one or two schools vs. bigger picture where the sum is more than just adding up the individual parts.
So, if you look at incremental deals (with say Oregon and Washington) it wouldn't appear to make sense for existing conference members due to the money dilution effect. BUT in the bigger picture as the powerful conferences gobble up the remaining prime schools there's a monopoly effect that starts to come into play. Those huge conferences with all of the prime teams begin to have more negotiating leverage. You just can't get the same amount of views for advertisers or subscriber sign ups by replacing B1G/SEC conference games with the leftover teams like cheaper Mountain West games.
And if the PAC eventually busts up or weakened more - it gives more negotiating power to the B1G and SEC. Down the road I'll actually be surprised if one day the B1G and SEC don't get together (like an NFL) and negotiate media contracts together. They'd get more money that way because let's face it, under that scenario it becomes a monopoly with the most attractive (viewership wise) teams.
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You wait until they get out or until 2036. No reason not to wait it out, it’s not worth a decade of having the wrong schools in your conference just cause you can.
There’s a lot of skepticism as to whether the SEC would actually want Clemson. SCAR would be against it of course, but all the schools nearby likely would as well. They add some eyeballs sure, but what do they add in recruiting footprint? They essentially add nothing in that regard and would just make it even more difficult for surrounding schools competing for the same athletes with Clemson.
The last question is the problem for almost every potential school the SEC would add. UNC is probably the school the SEC (and the bigten) would fight to get the most.
I don't think anybody is going to wait until 2036. The "bust up" will happen one way or another before that late date. There won't be the patience to wait on the ACC school's part.
Well it remains to be seen whether they can actually get out of the GOR. If it was easy they’d already have done it. I don’t believe it’s the same as a lease that gets weaker as time goes on. They would have less of an exit fee, but the ACC would still own their rights until 2036 regardless. That is the issue more than the penalty for leaving which is exorbitant.
Even if 7/14 schools want to dissolve the GOR before 2036, you will have counter suits from the other 7 attempting to maintain the signed and agreed upon contract.
I think the ACC is broken up before '36. Now when that happens the BIG and SEC will have a true war over a few teams. Many think that FSU and Clemson are a lock for the SEC. I don't think so. Those teams do not expand the SEC footprint. I do think that FSU is prime pickings for the BIG as is Clemson and here is why. Florida and South Carolina. Also FSU is applying for AAU status so that is them tipping their hand om where they might like to go. Clemson would split an already smaller population state like South Carolina in half. So Clemson may be a BIG get. The real battle will be over UNC and Virginia. Both the SEC and BIG will go all chips in on these two. Thing is UVA and UNC actually fit better in the BIG than the SEC
Anybody's guess how it will happen but I think the most likely scenario is that an 8th team (or whatever number it takes) is paid off to vote in favor of breaking the pact. The teams wanting to depart and the B1G/SEC between them likely can muster up enough money to buy some school's vote IMO. And the hold out schools then will be left "holding the bag".
That's what I said should happen with baseball at the beginning of the year. Play other Cali schools then too
You guys remember when Kevin Warren threatened to kick us out of the big 10 if we played football?
Kevin Warren didn't have that unilateral authority. We would have to get voted out by the presidents of the other B1G schools.
same presidents who voted to cancel the season?
If your only thinking about recent football success your missing the big picture. Clemson is a smaller enrollment school in the middle of nowhere SC. I think they would take UNC,UVA, even maybe GT, before Clemson. All are AAU, in or near large metropolitan areas and are big public research institutions.
That pretty much sounds like almost every other SEC school except Vandy, as far as middle of nowhere in their respective states.
Gainesville
Tuscaloosa
Auburn
Athens
Columbia twice
Knoxville
College Station
Baton Rouge
Oxford
StarkVegas
Fayettville
Lexington
Yes, but this was about Bigten potential additions and you can’t remove a school so your point, while valid, doesn’t really matter.
