SIAP: More Big Ten Expansion

[Redmich]

The BIG is much more interested in ACC schools than going west

"If FSU, Clemson, VA, NC & Miami were to become available, as one Big Ten source put it, “Those schools are where the real value is.”
"This Big Ten source believes expansion out East makes far more sense than expanding into the Pacific Northwest"

From the Atlantic

 

[SuperBigFan]

The BIG is much more interested in ACC schools than going west

"If FSU, Clemson, VA, NC & Miami were to become available, as one Big Ten source put it, “Those schools are where the real value is.”
"This Big Ten source believes expansion out East makes far more sense than expanding into the Pacific Northwest"

From the Atlantic

It makes sense...the "eye balls" on sports, especially college sports are clearly from Nebraska to the East Coast.

 

[RedCap]

The BIG is much more interested in ACC schools than going west

"If FSU, Clemson, VA, NC & Miami were to become available, as one Big Ten source put it, “Those schools are where the real value is.”
"This Big Ten source believes expansion out East makes far more sense than expanding into the Pacific Northwest"

From the Atlantic

The problem is that's a HUGE "if". There likely would be a fight between the B1G and SEC over those teams. But who is going to crack the ACC media handcuffs?

 

[HuskersWay]

Not gonna happen anytime soon imo. The B1G has also vetted Texas, Kansas, Mizzou, and Texas A&M. The B1G is taking on a huge task integrating USC and UCLA into the conference the logistics alone are a huge undertaking. UW and UO are begging for invites but I don't see expansion happening soon. If/When ND wants in they will get in and the SEC and B1G really want the ACC schools more than they do UW and UO. They don't make travel any easier as it's a 3 hour flight from LA to Seattle. It's also a 3 hour flight from LA to Lincoln. It actually makes travel even more of a pain and doesn't make the money pie any bigger. Not sure why everyone wants UW and UO. B1G can do better.

I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual invites of Washington and Oregon was part of the sales pitch the Big 10 made to USC and UCLA - as it stands now, USC and UCLA are going to be completely isolated on the West Coast and two time zones away from their closest conference opponent - the invites of two additional Pac 8 rivals in the Pacific Time Zone would certainly make the move easier to swallow for their fanbases.

 

[SuperBigFan]

I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual invites of Washington and Oregon was part of the sales pitch the Big 10 made to USC and UCLA - as it stands now, USC and UCLA are going to be completely isolated on the West Coast and two time zones away from their closest conference opponent - the invites of two additional Pac 8 rivals in the Pacific Time Zone would certainly make the move easier to swallow for their fanbases.

Right?

And face it, does a football home game vs Purdue or Indiana really matter to any of those fans???

 

[Redmich]

I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual invites of Washington and Oregon was part of the sales pitch the Big 10 made to USC and UCLA - as it stands now, USC and UCLA are going to be completely isolated on the West Coast and two time zones away from their closest conference opponent - the invites of two additional Pac 8 rivals in the Pacific Time Zone would certainly make the move easier to swallow for their fanbases.

Current big ten members do not want to be making multiple trips out west
OSU already cancelled upcoming games with Washington because they will be going west for USC or UCLA regularly.

Right now Washington and Oregon are “no’s” from the vast majority of the conference. Some think USC would be a no as well - they hate Oregon.

From a fan perspective they would be great - from a business perspective they are no’s right now

 

[HuskerDrew]

My guess would be the fact that a lot of people on the west coast don't have deep roots where they live. Combine that with a lack of tradition rich programs. It's a transient population who seems to gravitate towards pro teams when it comes to sports. I know quite a few people who moved to Phoenix. They don't root for ASU. They root for the Huskers.

Them good folks right there…

 

[Huskers123456]

I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual invites of Washington and Oregon was part of the sales pitch the Big 10 made to USC and UCLA - as it stands now, USC and UCLA are going to be completely isolated on the West Coast and two time zones away from their closest conference opponent - the invites of two additional Pac 8 rivals in the Pacific Time Zone would certainly make the move easier to swallow for their fanbases.

Big 10 doesn't care about USC or UCLA fans. They own those 2 teams like they own us and will do what's best for making the Big 10 the most money.

 

[HankMoody78]

The problem is that's a HUGE "if". There likely would be a fight between the B1G and SEC over those teams. But who is going to crack the ACC media handcuffs?

At the level of money they're working at something can always be arranged. You do whatever it takes to get north Carolina + another acc power or notre dame.

 

[sammyk]

If the BIG goes after any ACC school(s) I think it will be (UNC, UVA) first. Both are AAU members and both states have a robust and growing population. Both states have fertile recruiting grounds. After that I think it will be Florida State. FSU is applying for AAU status because they know in the BIG not only will they get athletic $$$$ as an AAU school they will get academic monies. Plus they do not help the SEC as far as footprint goes. The SEC already has Florida. After that I think it is a toss up but I do think if Notre Dame plays the Indy card to the end then Many think Georgia Tech is solid choice. I really think the BIG goes after Clemson. Just call it a hunch

 

[RedCap]

If the BIG goes after any ACC school(s) I think it will be (UNC, UVA) first. Both are AAU members and both states have a robust and growing population. Both states have fertile recruiting grounds. After that I think it will be Florida State. FSU is applying for AAU status because they know in the BIG not only will they get athletic $$$$ as an AAU school they will get academic monies. Plus they do not help the SEC as far as footprint goes. The SEC already has Florida. After that I think it is a toss up but I do think if Notre Dame plays the Indy card to the end then Many think Georgia Tech is solid choice. I really think the BIG goes after Clemson. Just call it a hunch

I don't know if there is a time limit for when Nebraska could reapply for admission to the AAU but I think we should go after it again. Presumably being in the B1G and the Innovation Campus have helped increase the amount of research in recent years. And I still think there is an argument for including the Omaha medical campus research in the calculation.

 

[moralvictories]

If the BIG goes after any ACC school(s) I think it will be (UNC, UVA) first. Both are AAU members and both states have a robust and growing population. Both states have fertile recruiting grounds. After that I think it will be Florida State. FSU is applying for AAU status because they know in the BIG not only will they get athletic $$$$ as an AAU school they will get academic monies. Plus they do not help the SEC as far as footprint goes. The SEC already has Florida. After that I think it is a toss up but I do think if Notre Dame plays the Indy card to the end then Many think Georgia Tech is solid choice. I really think the BIG goes after Clemson. Just call it a hunch

I think Clemson most likely would go to the SEC. However, most likely no ACC team leaves for another 13 years, the grant of rights is too expensive to get out of.

 

[RedCap]

I think Clemson most likely would go to the SEC. However, most likely no ACC team leaves for another 13 years, the grant of rights is too expensive to get out of.

I think it takes like 8 members wanting to bust up the conference to negate the current media deal handcuffs. Most likely those now wanting to leave would have to pay off enough schools who don't to leave with enough money to buy their votes. How much of a bribe would it take? Nobody knows right now.

 

[Redmich]

I don't know if there is a time limit for when Nebraska could reapply for admission to the AAU but I think we should go after it again. Presumably being in the B1G and the Innovation Campus have helped increase the amount of research in recent years. And I still think there is an argument for including the Omaha medical campus research in the calculation.

A group studied AAU membership and listed the top 15 schools to be added

We didn’t make the list

 

[Redmich]

The ACC may own the copyrights to all of its universities

 

[Raptor10]

The ACC may own the copyrights to all of its

Did the acc treat this grant of rights like a 10,000 Government bill. Let's just sign it then figure out what's all in there. Every team would have had at least Big 12 landing spot. What they agreed to just seems stupid.

 

[RedCap]

The ACC may own the copyrights to all of its universities

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The schools which willfully all signed away their rights in such a manner obviously screwed themselves. These institutions of higher learning weren't too smart themselves.

 

[Huskers123456]

I think Clemson most likely would go to the SEC. However, most likely no ACC team leaves for another 13 years, the grant of rights is too expensive to get out of.

I don't think anything is too expensive for the Big 10 or SEC if the fit is right and everyone is committed. The Big 10 always seems to be thinking ahead and they have old school money. If it helps them they will pay.

 

[phoenix4nu]

 

[moralvictories]

I don't think anything is too expensive for the Big 10 or SEC if the fit is right and everyone is committed. The Big 10 always seems to be thinking ahead and they have old school money. If it helps them they will pay.

$500,000,000 to $600,000,000 to release ACC schools from their GOR would probably be more than the B1G or the SEC would be willing to pay and likely more than any school in the ACC could afford to pay.

 

[moralvictories]

I think it takes like 8 members wanting to bust up the conference to negate the current media deal handcuffs. Most likely those now wanting to leave would have to pay off enough schools who don't to leave with enough money to buy their votes. How much of a bribe would it take? Nobody knows right now.

Schools like Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Louisville, and Georgia Tech likely wouldn't ever vote to dissolve the conference since none of those schools are guaranteed a landing spot in the B1G or the SEC.

 

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[250vertical]

Schools like Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Louisville, and Georgia Tech likely wouldn't ever vote to dissolve the conference since none of those schools are guaranteed a landing spot in the B1G or the SEC.

Florida has already 'unofficially' let it be known that they will be opposed to offering two other schools in the state membership in the SEC. Miami cannot be entirely sure of an offer. South Carolina feels the same about Clemson, but they probably do not have the horses to stop an offer. The BIg 12 could wind up with a nice little pod in the East - North Carolina St., Virginia Tech., to go along with West Virginia and Cinncy. If I read the numbers correctly, the Big 12 can already offer an ACC member more money than it can get while staying in the current ACC. Yormark negotiated a Pro-Rata clause in the Big 12 media contract. They will pay a new member of the Big 12 the same money as the current members, as long as that new school comes from a Power 5 conference. Duke does not give a shit about FB. They will fit nicely with Kansas, Baylor, Arizona, West Virginia, Houston, and NC State, knowing they will always play UNC anyway. Most powerful BB conference, and it's not even close. Could they be the eighth? Only the shadow knows.

 

[sammyk]

Here is a Question for the expansion thread. What would you guys think of getting these 4 schools

1. Oklahoma State
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Texas Tech

Now the BIG has schols and recruiting states like PA, NJ, MD, OH, MIch, ILL , Cal, Tex, OK

 

[Chief Wiggum]

Here is a Question for the expansion thread. What would you guys think of getting these 4 schools

1. Oklahoma State
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Texas Tech

Now the BIG has schols and recruiting states like PA, NJ, MD, OH, MIch, ILL , Cal, Tex, OK

1. No
2. No
3. Meh
4. No

 

[Redmich]

Here is a Question for the expansion thread. What would you guys think of getting these 4 schools

1. Oklahoma State
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Texas Tech

Now the BIG has schols and recruiting states like PA, NJ, MD, OH, MIch, ILL , Cal, Tex, OK

I don’t know how many times it has to be said - current big ten members are not going to take a pay cut to add teams.

The only thing those 4 universities do is divide the current media dollars by 20 rather than 16.

Those 4 schools get big paydays while current members take less to pay for it

 

[Huskers123456]

Here is a Question for the expansion thread. What would you guys think of getting these 4 schools

1. Oklahoma State
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Texas Tech

Now the BIG has schols and recruiting states like PA, NJ, MD, OH, MIch, ILL , Cal, Tex, OK

Ok st and Tech no way. I would like to say no to the other 2 but they did add Rutgers and Maryland so I would never say never.

 

[Redmich]

Ok st and Tech no way. I would like to day no to the other 2 but they did add Rutgers and Maryland so I would never say never.

With regards to Rutgers (NYC) and Maryland (DC) - people too often confuse attractiveness from a competitiveness standpoint and business standpoint. Business will always win out.

The BIG has by far the largest alumni base and the wealthiest alumni base. A great deal of them reside on the east coast. This is what makes the BIG so valuable to media groups

 

[Huskers123456]

$500,000,000 to $600,000,000 to release ACC schools from their GOR would probably be more than the B1G or the SEC would be willing to pay and likely more than any school in the ACC could afford to pay.

I can't remember what the payout per school difference is between the ACC and Big 10. But say it's $30 million per year. That fee would be paid off relatively quickly, assuming the Big 10 wasn't making them take a pay cut. It's all about what makes long-term financial sense for the Big 10.

 

[RedCap]

Schools like Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Louisville, and Georgia Tech likely wouldn't ever vote to dissolve the conference since none of those schools are guaranteed a landing spot in the B1G or the SEC.

Yes, it's funny how the big ACC schools got snookered into giving the lowlife schools of the ACC veto power over their future.

 

[redwine65]

??? Has Nebraska been able to regain their AAU membership?

we never wanted to

Losing AAU status not fatal for Nebraska

MU leaders have repeatedly expressed the importance of membership in the Association of American Universities. But a look at the University of Nebraska's ouster from the AAU shows a different

www.columbiamissourian.com

 

[moralvictories]

Ok st and Tech no way. I would like to day no to the other 2 but they did add Rutgers and Maryland so I would never say never.

Rutgers and Maryland are located in large media markets. More eyeballs for the B1G network.

 

[Huskers123456]

Rutgers and Maryland are located in large media markets. More eyeballs for the B1G network.

Yeah, I get that. But it was still kind of an oddball move that no one would have predicted.

 

[Mrs HuskerHusaria]

Rutgers and Maryland are located in large media markets. More eyeballs for the B1G network.

It was presumed that the B1G would absorb NYC. Little did they know, that nobody cares, hun

 

[Mrs HuskerHusaria]

Goodness, I did an internship in NJ... doesn't even care about athletics.

 

[salsa red]

Most big 10 schools can get direct flights to LA or one of the smaller LA airports and maybe seattle. Not sure if they have a private plane but it would be harder to get to Eugene

 

[Mrs HuskerHusaria]

He likes salsa

 

[HuskerHusaria]

He likes salsa

I like salsa too... Unless you mean me?

 

[Redmich]

$500,000,000 to $600,000,000 to release ACC schools from their GOR would probably be more than the B1G or the SEC would be willing to pay and likely more than any school in the ACC could afford to pay.

Tough spot but that figure is roughly the revenue gap between a BIG school and an ACC school over a ten year span

UNC and Florida St will receive approx a half a billion dollars less over a ten year span versus Purdue or Rutgers

 

[Huskers123456]

It was presumed that the B1G would absorb NYC. Little did they know, that nobody cares, hun

They did absorb NYC... the NYC TV market which brought in tons of money. People don't actually have to watch to make money when the Big 10 network automatically goes into a viewership package in Big 10 markets.