Should Mo be kicked off the team?
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It’s nowhere near as bad as a grown man that teaches children having child porn that wasn’t of an ex from when they were both underage. You can’t be serious. Also I don’t think sending the video to the person that’s in it should or will be considered distribution. The law is intended to curb backroom child porn distributors, not jealous vengeful ex boyfriends. Now, the revenge porn charge may apply, but even that is intended to curb exes putting out intimate videos for the world to see.
Wow, after reading the new detailed report this morning, the athletic department has some explaining to do. Sounds like both the athletic department and Attorney Generals office were contacted multiple times and never were able to connect with Washington. The next contact came back to them from Jon Bruning saying Mo has no comment at the time and let it sit the entire season. NOT GOOD
My point is you are talking out of your ass. You have no clue what you are talking about. Go do some research on the topic before commenting.
I wouldn't expect him to start now.
My brother in law is a defense attorney in SD. He says the prosecution always slaps on the max charges in these types of cases. With the intent to plea deal. You start lower charges you got nowhere to go. You start with highest charges and expect to plea down.
I'm quite familiar with law enforcement affidavits, thanks. When police file an affidavit supporting a warrantless arrest, a healthy dose of skepticism should be applied. This is different. The prosecutor that filed the request for an arrest warrant had already read the texts himself or herself, so the idea that the affidavit contains anything that isn't true is highly unlikely. I'll stay with my opinion that it does not look good. Particularly the portion that refers to him sending the video in response to being rebuffed sexually/romantically.
I'm glad you've seen the video and made judgement on this horrible, then 15 year old girl. You have 0 evidence or proof to back up a statement like that. Why is it that people immediately attack someone who accuses someone? What does this family have to gain by making this public?
Adult is an adult the law doesn’t have exclusions for grown man vs half grown man. In the case of the teacher it wasn’t of any of his students nor did he allegedly possess it on school property. Regarding Washington does the fact they allegedly went out on a date now and again somehow lessen the severity of the issue, I doubt it. The teacher didn’t distribute it, Washington did. I really don’t think the fact the Bellevue guy is a teacher has anything to do with it regarding his legal woes, he may have violated some sort of conduct policy with the school district.
I’m gonna have to block you as you are as ignorant as they come. There is no reason to have a debate with an imbecile. I wasn’t sure if you are the Brad Tucker I met in college, I am now. You are an extremely partisan individual. Go back to turkey basting cows as you are just making a fool of yourself.
And so am I. Affidavit's by prosecutors are no different. I should have said law enforcement in general, rather than the police. That would have made it clearer. But it is my experience that prosecutors tend to shade arrest warrants more than police in getting things like search warrants, as attorneys have a better handle on where the legal line is than a police officer. I have seen literally hundreds of cases (most of them federal, it's true) where the witness's "it may have been Fred, but I'm just not sure" in the prosecutor's arrest affidavit becomes "witness identified the shooter as Fred" or the witness's statement was "Joe texted witness in response to her question and said that he might know someone who had some meth" into "Joe texted witness that he could supply her with meth." It's simply the way the system works.
In the last 4 pages of the thread I count exactly one poster who hasn't been on the site since at least 2016.
Sounds like you're a defense attorney. I have worked both sides and I, again, share your skepticism. I just don't think this particular case lends itself to a whole lot of "shading".
Come on man use your common sense. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, odds are it is probably a duck. Because they believe their daughter, who is telling them it is assault. Put yourself in the girls shoes. Your parents just saw evidence of you having a 3 some. As a young girl do you admit it or do you say, no it wasn't my fault it was assault. Me as a parent I am probably going to believe my daughter and use every extent of the law to put the guys behind bars. Parents can become blinded to an extent of the reality of the situation when their kids are involved.
Except they saw the video 3 years ago. I am not sure the act in the video is what triggered these events. From a timing standpoint that doesn't even make sense.
I'm gonna bow out of this thread and go see if I can find a thread to complain about Miles. Gotta say, it saddens me to see how ready some you seem to make conclusions about this young girl. You may be right, but a broken clock is right twice a day also. It doesn't mean you're not making assumptions where you really don't know . It's an area that my soul requires that I not speculate about.
I doubt they are any less pissed about the situation and would still pursue anything that arrived from the incident. I wouldn’t want a video of my daughter having a threesome or video that doesn’t prove a rape floating around and if someone brought it back out I’d probably still upset enough to pursue legal action. Many dads on here and around the country would lose there shit just knowing their daughter just had consensual sex with a black man, let alone being used by two men and socially scorned for it. Daddy would have some issues moving on from that.
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I am using common sense.
The school administration never viewed the video by their own statement, didn't refer the matter to the cops either by their own statement. They kicked everyone involved out of school and told the parents that since it happened outside of school they wouldn't do anything, and they could go to the cops if they wanted. The girl and the parents said they declined to pursue charges at the time which isn't unusual in these cases. They tried to move on and get past this, years later the issue with Washington happened which caused them to face it again and they decided to handle it differently.
I will flip this, put yourself in the girls shoes. You are a 15 year old in a car with two 17 year olds, they decide they want to get freaky and tell you it's happening and there is nothing you can do about it. You freeze, and say okay and out of fear of getting beat up or worse you shut down and go along with it. The guys film a small portion of it that you didn't even realize they had filmed and they blast it out to the school, the 17 year olds may even feel as though they got consent, but coerced consent is not consent. You, in shame beg your parents to just let it go away and know it becomes he said she said, society tells you that you probably "put yourself in that situation" and that you "should have known better" or not dressed a certain way. You spiral into drugs and alcohol for years, as you are putting the pieces back together you reach out to someone you had a prior relationship with to start up a conversation, dude gets excited and thinks this may lead somewhere. You get uncomfortable and he gets more pushy, you block him and think it's over. A couple of days later dude sends you the video from a few years prior and the spiral starts again.
Please show me where the race of the two guys involved in the video has been identified, I'll wait.
I don't think the case needs to play out in court or anything else. i could care less if he is charged, found guilty or not. What he actually did is absolutely wrong. It is not defensible. He sent a video back to the girl of what happened, then made nasty remarks about it. He doesn't need a pile of apologists explaining his behavior away. This thread is pathetic. I'll follow mgbreis.
You are right it wasn't what was in the video that is causing the problems for MO. For whatever reason people keep bring up the video when talking about MO and what is going on right now. What did or didn't happen in the video is of not concern when it comes to his charges. What is going on in the video is a completely different topic and debate.
The only relevance I can see, is if it does come out that is was rape vs 3 some. Is that MO knew about the assault, still kept the video, and then sent it back to her. In my opinion that situation would be way worse on his part vs just being a pissed off ex and sending her a video of being a slut to hurt her.
So let me get this straight. Posters can't have an opinion or rush to judgement about Washington, but you can base your entire opinion on this topic on nothing but speculation? C'mon man
How is people making conclusion about the girl any different then people making conclusion about the 2 boys in the video or of Mo? A
And takes it a step further to discredit a teenage girl who police, the school and Washington's lawyer have all stated is a potential victim of sexual assault. Then deflects to say that most the people who disagree are "new" posters.
I don’t know the race and I didn’t intend to imply I did. The point was suppose to be if you’re the guy that’d lose his shit for your daughter sleeping with a black guy, then you’d probably have issues with your daughter getting eifle toward by two men regardless of race. If this bothers you, then this would really bother you basically. However, it shouldn’t bother anyone, outside of the fact it’s hard for dads to deal with their daughters being sexually active. The main point is the original incident can surely be flaming the fire on the pursuit of legal action. Most dads couldn’t just move on.
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This is an exercise in futility my man. Their stance is, she is a slut who likes threesomes and is only making claims of assault because she is embarrassed that she has been outed, and you can't convince them otherwise.
I finally got tired of running my head into the wall over and over again.
You brought up the race, you compared the probation the guy got to shoplifting despite literally having 0 knowledge of what he was charged with exactly or what the deal was. You have insinuated (maybe you didn't intend to) that maybe her family has twisted the process and that the then 15 year old did it, regretted it and then lied to her parents and the cops. You have on multiple times brought up "daddy issues" with a girl having a threesome when you don't know one way or the other what actually occurred.
When I practiced I was a corporate litigation attorney. But now I primarily do research and writing on a number of subjects, but mostly the Federal Rules of Civil and Criminal Procedure. That's why I read far more federal than state cases. And you may be right here. I may be painting too broad a picture.
Obviously not. Mo could possibly be convicted of a 3rd degree misdemeanor (lowest conviction I believe) and still have to register as a sex offender for x-amount of years (lowest form of punishment given the offense).
Your example the 45 year old dude would be convicted of a 1st degree felony with much harsher punishment.
The whole point is that neither of us know. Any implied arguments by me are to provide a possible way that it went down that wouldn’t warrant what you and many people think is a rational and warranted punishment. There’s nothing wrong with providing a differing hypothesis to others when they’ve already assumed guilt and what a warranted punishment would be. We don’t agree on the punishment, those are opinions that are not changing. No reason to debate that. Opinions are not facts, nor are hypothesis. As I said previously. I’m done with the merry go round. 17 pages with the same arguments being made over and over is a waste of time. Working for yourself can be rough on your social media life. It’s my time that’s wasted, not my employers.
Except it wasn't a photo of kids just playing in the underwear being silly. It was a video of a girl who didnt send him the video herself, he kept it for multiple years, then had the gaul to send it back to her years later.
I'm not saying he should be labeled a sex offender either and probably not kicked off the team either or even suspended (if everything currently said is true & no new offenses arise), but let's not pretend this is equal to the 2 examples you just listed.
I will say I believe he should definitely do some volunteering at some kind of women's organization or something.
He's not in trouble for receiving it. He's in trouble for keeping it as an adult.
Only reasons why I'm not on the "kick MW off the team" is because he wasnt on the team when he did it and it sounds like the coaches (at least) have known about this incident since Fall 2018.
It'd be interesting (and bad) if the coaches / University knew about this incident early fall, like prior to school starting.
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