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Should Mo be kicked off the team?

Should Mo be kicked off the team

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It would certainly surprise me.
I assume most kids who had it would scramble like hell to get it off their phones if theres cops looking into it and people getting probation, expelled, etc. i think it would be an eye opener for them, but thats just me.

Are you kidding me? Kids think they can get away with anything lol
 
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Would you please respond to my context reply to you? I dont think you have but I could have missed it. Genuinely curious what you think of how I see the context here.
I think you see it as black and white. That if two different people have committed a crime that violates the same law that their punishments should be exactly the same regardless of the individual cases. It’s not as black and white to me. I’m not arguing guilt or innocence. I’m assuming Mo is guilty of keeping and sending the video to his ex, however given what we know, I don’t believe he should or will be tried for distribution of child porn by sending it to her. I think what he did was malicious, but he would’ve needed to distribute it to other people with intent to hurt her for him to get much more than probation. I don’t know if many people that haven’t experienced animosity in a relationship and would like to have something done or said back. My bipolar ex tells me monthly she’s going to kill me for something. I realize she’s manic and don’t respond. She I go after her for terroristic threats?
 
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The revenge porn charge is the less serious charge. However, the child pornography laws are not very forgiving.

Being in possession of the video in question would be a violation.

In the state of California, possession or distribution of child pornography is an extremely serious crime. Under §311, a conviction can lead to a six year prison sentence and up to $100,000 in fines. Charges can be prosecuted in the state or federal courts depending on the circumstances of the case. Child sex crimes and internet crimes have garnered huge increases in national attention over the past several years. You now see law enforcement creating what are called cyber crime units which investigate, detect and track down individuals who are guilty of committing internet crimes including producing, possessing and distributing child pornography.

I just think this is a bigger deal than most of us want it to be.
 
I know this will sound off-color, but for me I don’t care if she was raped or not. I have said from the beginning that whether or not she was raped is irrelevant to Maurice Washington and his alleged crimes. I don’t know why that continues to get brought up. He was never accused of being in the video, not there when the video was made, wasn't the one taking the video. The only time or reason it wouldn’t matter, for Maurice Washington, is if this episode would be considered rape, and they upped the charges because he transmitted The video that had a crime on it. In which case federal authorities would need to get involved and not local California Authorities
IMO it's relevant because if she was raped and especially if he knows that, it makes it a lot more heinous and malicious for him to make a point of bringing it to her attention all over again.

It has no bearing on the charges against him, but it certainly alters the moral perception of how effed up his actions were.
 
The revenge porn charge is the less serious charge. However, the child pornography laws are not very forgiving.

Being in possession of the video in question would be a violation.

In the state of California, possession or distribution of child pornography is an extremely serious crime. Under §311, a conviction can lead to a six year prison sentence and up to $100,000 in fines. Charges can be prosecuted in the state or federal courts depending on the circumstances of the case. Child sex crimes and internet crimes have garnered huge increases in national attention over the past several years. You now see law enforcement creating what are called cyber crime units which investigate, detect and track down individuals who are guilty of committing internet crimes including producing, possessing and distributing child pornography.

I just think this is a bigger deal than most of us want it to be.

It is a really big deal
 
Yeah, she was expelled for getting raped. The rapists got probabation. I don’t know all the info, but neither do you. I take the side of innocent til guilty and that in this situation guilt would only deserve a minimal punishment. You takes the side of throw the book at him without taking the dynamics of the situation into account.

The very fact that he got angry and sent her the video with the disgusting caption after she rebuffed him...is pretty much proof that MW is guilty of having poor character. Period.

You can't just get angry at someone that doesn't want to go out with you and have a tantrum and lash out like a child and get away with it. Whether she is guilty of consent is immaterial to what should happen to MW. She'll be judged separately for her actions.

The sooner he is gone from the team, the sooner we can move forward and the University can distance itself from this incident, and limit collateral damage.
 
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IMO it's relevant because if she was raped and especially if he knows that, it makes it a lot more heinous and malicious for him to make a point of bringing it to her attention all over again.

It has no bearing on the charges against him, but it certainly alters the moral perception of how effed up his actions were.

Agree, but if it turns out she was raped and he knew about it, the crimes for which he is alleged to have committed will be increased and the jurisdiction would likely move from state to federal court. Don't you think?
 
The very fact that he got angry and sent her the video with the disgusting caption after she rebuffed him...is pretty much proof that MW is guilty of having poor character. Period.

You can't just get angry at someone that doesn't want to go out with you and have a tantrum and lash out like a child and get away with it. Whether she is guilty of consent is immaterial to what should happen to MW. She'll be judged separately for her actions.

The sooner he is gone from the team, the sooner we can move forward and the University can distance itself from this incident, and limit collateral damage.

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The very fact that he got angry and sent her the video with the disgusting caption after she rebuffed him...is pretty much proof that MW is guilty of having poor character. Period.

You can't just get angry at someone that doesn't want to go out with you and have a tantrum and lash out like a child and get away with it. Whether she is guilty of consent is immaterial to what should happen to MW. She'll be judged separately for her actions.

The sooner he is gone from the team, the sooner we can move forward and the University can distance itself from this incident, and limit collateral damage.
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Definitely more details. His attorney says there are additional facts and details about the context that will come out - hope they come out soon. The details about the video make it sound more consensual and less like some assault, though.

I’m not sure how you can judge anything based off of a 10 second video honestly either way. It certainly doesn’t help Washington’s case with the public though.
 
Agree, but if it turns out she was raped and he knew about it, the crimes for which he is alleged to have committed will be increased and the jurisdiction would likely move from state to federal court. Don't you think?
Don't know, I'm not familiar enough with the laws involved.
 
I’m not sure how you can judge anything based off of a 10 second video honestly either way. It certainly doesn’t help Washington’s case with the public though.

The weirdest part is that the phone it was sent from belonged to Mo's adoptive father. May be some technicalities in play.
 
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The very fact that he got angry and sent her the video with the disgusting caption after she rebuffed him...is pretty much proof that MW is guilty of having poor character. Period.

You can't just get angry at someone that doesn't want to go out with you and have a tantrum and lash out like a child and get away with it. Whether she is guilty of consent is immaterial to what should happen to MW. She'll be judged separately for her actions.

The sooner he is gone from the team, the sooner we can move forward and the University can distance itself from this incident, and limit collateral damage.
Thank you for your opinion. I don’t think a poor decision by a teenager towards an ex defines ones character. What he did was malicious, but unless he viewed it as rape and was just sending it to hurt her then I don’t think he deserves to be booted. The article I read she was contacting him and the video was in response to her reaching out to him. Not just him sending it randomly out of no where.
 
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You had better prepare yourself for him no longer being on the team, because he is going to be gone. And I'm thankful that our administration will choose to not allow him to be part of our program.

What we should be more concerned about is why he is making decisions to angrily intimidate and verbally abuse women, rather than be concerned with keeping him on the football team.
 
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You have wondered so far off topic it is comical. adieu to you as well.

We don't know what happened. Since this happened 3 years ago and the police have had the video for almost a year. Since there still have been no charges of rape. It is just a logical assumption that she might not be telling the truth. The simplest explanation is usually the correct answer. As I said the police have had the video for almost a year. If there was any indication of her fighting or struggling before, during or after. Charges would have been pressed.

Completely on topic, addressing what you said. But hey, you keep beating that drum guy.
 
You had better prepare yourself for him no longer being on the team, because he is going to be gone. And I'm thankful that our administration will choose to not allow him to be part of our program.

What we should be more concerned about is why he is making decisions to angrily intimidate and verbally abuse women, rather than be concerned with keeping him on the football team.

I already said "he gone", even though I hope it doesn't happen and that if it were up to me, he wouldn't be gone. So yeah, I'm prepared for it.

You think kicking him off the team and ruining his life is going to lead him to make better decisions towards women? If anything, it will probably make him bitter. Turn this into a teachable moment - let him take his lumps in the courts and then face the music at NU. Help him learn through a suspension or other means.
 
Two, but there still may be technicalities in play.

They are both registered to one person. I believe you are reading too much into the comment that Maurice sent the text from a phone registered to Washington's adoptive father. If Maurice had a line under the adoptive father's plan, the phone would be registered to the adoptive father.
 
Under federal law a first time offender can get up to life in prison for sending a video or picture of a minor being assaulted.
Sure, I doubt the old lady that has poor vision and response time doesn’t get the same punishment as the drunk driver does for vehicler manslaughter. Why? B/c they shouldn’t as the context of the crimes are not the same
 
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The weirdest part is that the phone it was sent from belonged to Mo's adoptive father. May be some technicalities in play.

I think it’s common that kids in high school would be on dad’s cell phone plan still, my wife’s phone would technically show as mine as the main account holder. Could just be the report, but this strikes me as odd...

The text contained a 10-second video of a girl performing oral sex on one teen in the back seat of a vehicle, with another teen masturbating while watching her naked behind.

The girl’s mother was able to see all of her daughter’s texts through an iPad, and she immediately told the girl not to look at the video because she believed it was a video of the alleged 2016 sexual assault.

About six hours later, the girl wrote back to Washington: “Send me that again I didn’t see it. Maurice?”​

I wonder if a) it was actually the video of her, b) did they actually see it?

The warrant request and lack of activity regarding it makes me wonder if they actually have a copy of what he sent video wise or if that is why they want the warrant.
 
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Under federal law a first time offender can get up to life in prison for sending a video or picture of a minor being assaulted.
Those laws were instituted specifically to punish people producing and circulating pornography depicting sex acts with children and to try to protect children. There are whole units in I believe every state who have monitoring systems set up that gather and alert them to hits on child porn websites. The officers come in the morning and see how many hits they got over night then they go get the warrants. I have a friend who's a retired cop who did that for our area. It's amazing the number of people who will click on those websites. IF I remember correctly he told me that in one minimum security prison in our area that there were over 400 people incarcerated for internet child porn and it's literally from all walks of life and professions.
 
I think it’s common that kids in high school would be on dad’s cell phone plan still, my wife’s phone would technically show as mine as the main account holder. Could just be the report, but this strikes me as odd...

The text contained a 10-second video of a girl performing oral sex on one teen in the back seat of a vehicle, with another teen masturbating while watching her naked behind.

The girl’s mother was able to see all of her daughter’s texts through an iPad, and she immediately told the girl not to look at the video because she believed it was a video of the alleged 2016 sexual assault.

About six hours later, the girl wrote back to Washington: “Send me that again I didn’t see it. Maurice?”​

I wonder if a) it was actually the video of her, b) did they actually see it?

The warrant request and lack of activity regarding it makes me wonder if they actually have a copy of what he sent video wise or if that is why they want the warrant.

Weird situation all around. If it were a text/video message, it would still be on the device that received it. The only way I can think of that they wouldn't still have it would be if it was sent using snapchat or something. It's also kind of weird that they tried to get him to send it again, like they realized that they could set him up or something. Baffling as to why the chick would reach out to him after finding out that he got a scholly at a major football school. Also weird that the step mom didn't try to stop the conversation from turning sexual, but then turned around and tried to get him to send the vid again.
 
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Thank you for your opinion. I don’t think a poor decision by a teenager towards an ex defines ones character. What he did was malicious, but unless he viewed it as rape and was just sending it to hurt her then I don’t think he deserves to be booted. The article I read she was contacting him and the video was in response to her reaching out to him. Not just him sending it randomly out of no where.

It absolutely does define his character. He felt it was more important to denigrate and intimidate her than it was to just move on after she denied his advances. That shows a lack of character.

Good luck to him, because he won't be playing here.
 
They are both registered to one person. I believe you are reading too much into the comment that Maurice sent the text from a phone registered to Washington's adoptive father. If Maurice had a line under the adoptive father's plan, the phone would be registered to the adoptive father.

I'm just saying that if the phone is registered to another person then they might have some additional hoops to jump through.
 
Completely on topic, addressing what you said. But hey, you keep beating that drum guy.
Ok I will keep playing along, because I am bored. I simply stated if there was any sign of struggle charges would have been filed. You went on to wright a paragraph trying to explain women feelings and how they may or may not act during an assault. She was giving head to a dude in the back seat while another guy watched and masturbated to her bare ass. Is it possible she was still assaulted, sure I guess.
 
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