Sam M advice to Chin on a 4-2-5
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If we have McKewon, why did we even hire Chinander?
Well, Sam M knows his Xs and Os. And by “knows”, I mean that Sam is a complete dipsh!t as far as real football goes. Ruhtard is the word that comes to mind.
I love when he is on the radio...and takes 10 seconds to respond...
"Hey Sam, How are you doing?"
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"Good"
Last time I checked we were in the big 10 not the big 12. Let the coaches coach. That’s why they get payed the big bucks
I can not stand to see a team get an easy score on a simple busted play. Still a big believer in making the other team earn it by marching the entire length of the field. With an attacking style of defense, which we have tried in this league, we got torched with ease on simple busted plays. Pelini had the right idea, only he wasn't coaching it.. JP was, and that clown couldn't make it work.
It’s called assignment football. Busted plays happen no matter what kind of defense you run. The more sound you are, the fewer busted plays you have. We will see how sound this defense is under these coaches. But I am ready to see an attacking defense that plays their assignments well.
We aren’t getting torched because the offense in his league is the best in the nation... we are getting torched because we have not been sound.
No Freedom?
Stille is a great player with a fierce motor, but Mick Stoltenburg is starting somewhere on the DL.. D. Neal and Freedom both have an argument as well... No clue why he would even remotely think that Alex Davis would get the start.
We are really deep on the DL this year
Damian Daniels
Peyton Newell
Freedom
D. Neal
A. Davis
Davis Twins
Mick Stoltenburg
Stille
That isn't even including incoming players
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It does not seem as if Chin is a slave to one particular alignment. I would play the line front that gets the best players on the field. The Stille kid showed in spots as a RS freshman. But is he big enough to consistently hold his own as a DE in a 3-4? The Davis twins can play inside in a 4 man front and at DE in a 3-4. Who are the best linemen for an attacking scheme?
Not really.. It think it is more of a converge on the ball type thing. It's the dumb dumb high school approach really. Not much thinking needs to be done, so you benefit about keeping it simple and just gang tackle.. but when teams start playing matchups against you, mis-direction, and with no help in coverage, scoring becomes like an easy layup.
So, no, I don't think it's much about assignments at all. Now the Peso, that was all about assignments and matchups, and getting the reads correct, because you had to have certain guys be in two places at once.
Still, the good Davis, Mick, DThomas front 4.
I think we see a lot more 4 man fronts this year than anticipated, given our depth and size up-front
I see what you’re saying... but is that the kind of defense we are going to see? That’s what I don’t know. If they play smart and are in position most of the time, then the big plays shouldn’t happen very often. But if it’s just a free-for-all everybody go as fast as you can to the ball, then who knows? I think our defense will be more structured than that…
I’ve never heard of any defense where a player has to be in two places at once. What do you specifically mean by this?
I know what you are saying with this, but honestly, Pelini’s defense put players in conflict(two places at once) constantly. Without getting too complicated, some of his rules/adjustments for motion, formations, etc. were exactly what every OC wanted to see as far as their own number rules. So it just turned into Nebraska’s players having to be superstars(i’m talking serious NFL guys) in many situations, or it was disaster.
Alex Davis will be on the bench most of the games. He isn't good.
the starting DL will be Carlos, Stoltenburg, and Stille in a 3-4 set. Stille is more disruptive than Freedom.
the starting DL will be Carlos, Stoltenburg, and Stille in a 3-4 set. Stille is more disruptive than Freedom.
What i saw from Pelini’s defense is his peso dbs were vital in covering receivers and essentially playing a linebacker role against the run. Gomes and Hagg were great at both. Guys like Evans or Thorrell were not. Pelini ran a very similar defense to Bama. The difference was Bama usually had more talent by a ways outside one or two years.
There is your answer.. in essence, the peso db had two opposing responsibilities and required the use of quick reads and great athleticism to not only make the right choice on a given play, but to catch up to the play if he got the read wrong. It required a special level athlete, but yet so does running back, or quarterback, or a team leading receiver. You have to have skill on the team, and we did have some good talent, so it's not impossible. If you want to be great, you need some superstars. That part isn't rocket science.
Carlos/Freedom/Davis/Neal DE. Mick/Damian/Vainuku DT, Deontre/Ben/Tanner/Davis OLB Young/Barry/Honas MLB and Gifford/Dixon/Miller WSLB. This would be a smart move! In a 4 man front Deontre/Freedom/Davis/Neal DEs Mick/Carlos/Damian/Vaha DTs Stille/Young SSLB Barry/Honas MLB Gifford/Dixon/Miller WSLB. Dixon is the Peso or nickel when we line up in that scheme. He's same size as Hagg was, but Dixon's just a shade faster, quicker and a little stronger than he was. The Blackshirts Will be rotating players at will!
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Dixon might be that kind of guy, there may be others, but it remains to be seen how the D will actually go. It seems like every year, the fans are told one thing, but once the bullets start flying, adjustments start being made weekly and they sort of settle in on their personnel and packages, and that's what should happen. It's not like we will just see a base package for the whole year. It will be interesting to see what the rotations and depth chart look like in the coming weeks.
All of these guys have been in the fire both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes except Daniels, Tannor, and Vainuku as all of the rest have been through the fire in one form or another here or at other schools. IMO, the DL, DE's, LBs including OLBs are pretty much set with this gorup. What I'm wondering is, what the back end is gonna look like as that is the biggest worry. The only postions I know that may be pretty much set in the secondary are Aaron Williams at FS and Antonio Reed at SS. I just hope they stay healthy, and maybe Jackson at CB
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Your concern is that sometimes the peso would have to play the run and sometimes it would have to play the pass. Pretty much all forms of defense ask linebackers to do that with running backs and tight ends. Hell, we ask defensive ends to do it zone blitzes. The option was great at forcing corners to do this. And, yes, if a player reads the play wrong, he needs to be awfully athletic to make up for it.
I'm not an expert, but Pelini's defenses were tough on the defensive backs because the match-up zone which required them to understand the routes and beat the receivers to it. If they misunderstood it, they weren't just a step behind the receiver, they were actually beating them to the wrong spot. Losing Marvin Sanders likely played a huge part in Pelini's defenses falling apart.
Thomas will be hard to keep off the field.
I think your defense has to match your offense. You can't pair a bend don't break defense with an uptempo, home run hitting type offense, because your offense could spend the whole game on the sideline. I think we are going to play an aggressive defense predicated on forcing turnovers and three and outs to get the ball back quickly and we are going to have to get used to giving up some plays. PPP and TO's will become huge stats moreso than total points and total yards.
Also, you don't really think JP was running the defense under Pelini do you?
Yes but you still play your assignment. You always read your keys. You’re not suppose to be in two places at one time. The thing we agree on is Pelini didn’t have enough talent outside of 2009 and 2010 to have a dominant defense.
If that is the case that they want to shut the opposing offense down quickly or get scored on quickly, then it is an interesting concept. I am not sure the fans are going to like that, but I can understand it if the offense is constantly in hurry up mode, which sounds like they want to be.
On the surface, I don't like it to be honest, because you're relying on the offense to win your championships, the defense is just a speed bump, but for many teams, it will work to just be aggressive on D.
Not sure how many championships Oregon won. (I couldn't help it) but I don't think the fans are going to like it. I'll go ahead and predict it right now, that this will be the first big issue ppl have with SF's system.
As to the other question, it was Bo's defensive system, but yes, JP was coaching it and running the show there. Bo had given up control of lots of things as TO tried to mentor him into being a better head coach, and the defense steadily got worse as he let go of it.
Very interesting post. It would seem to me that the offense can to a large degree set the pace but the blackshirts have no control of that at all. Correct? Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you're implying?
But anyways, I think a high percentage of NU fans will LOVE having an attacking defense even when it fails as long as it's not repeatably. Anything is better than a passive defense that frequently gets run over again, again & again.
The point was brought up by @headcard where he is suggesting (and I think rightly so) that the hurry up offense is matched with an aggressive defense on purpose.
With a bend - don't break, you are trying to limit points. (I like this)
With an aggressive/attacking defense, you are trying to get the ball back quickly.. via being so aggressive you get an immediate 3 in out from a team not ready for that intensity, OR the aggressiveness creates a turnover, OR, that aggressiveness gets exploited into matchup problems, busted plays, mis-direction, so you can end up being scored upon easily and quickly.
You're right, fans LOVE to talk about the aggressive attacking defense. But what they don't usually like is the actual results. We went through this the first year of Bankers scheme. Everyone was so happy and relieved we were going to attack the ball, until the results weren't so hot, and Mark quickly made the changes into more of a read & react /contain type scheme. But of course, none of the fans really knew about those changes.
If you just ask the average fan and say attacking defense, they are going to pound the table and say YES! because they like it from an emotional standpoint. It doesn't mean that style of defense will win you a championship.
So this offense and defense is not at all about controlling the clock, it's nothing about the old way we used to do things. It is a hurry up type thing on both sides of the ball hoping it's unorthodox approach will allow us to score more than the other team. It's always trying to maximize points from an offensive perspective with much less interest in stopping points on the defensive side, but rather getting the ball back quickly (one way or another).
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