ADVERTISEMENT

Riley didn't come here to win

We'd already heard from a top coach, Urban Meyer when he did the NU/UM telecast that in coaching circles, what NU did to Solich turned heads.

Urban saying he didn't want to come here because we fired a 9-win coach was pure B.S. He didn't want to come here because he knew we didn't have the talent to compete for championships right away, whereas Zook left the cupboards stocked full of talent at Florida.

Zook averaged 8 wins at Florida, finished in the Top 25 every year, and brought in Top 10 recruiting classes every year. I fail to see how firing him was less outrageous than firing Solich.
 
Haha, I knew the immature on this board would come out in full force. It doesn't bother me, but thank you for a mature response. I have no problem people not agreeing with me as long as they are respectful. This board as become a bashing center for anyone that disagrees with anyone else.
If was the same way with BO supporters. Anyone talked negative about Bo initially the claws came out from the supporters. Then when he sucked the claws came out against anyone that supported him. Now if anyone says anything negative the claws come out from the supports and will be the same way when Riley fails to success up to everyone's expectations. HuskerTim probably being the most immature of them all and is probably the oldest here. Just find it funny. lol Thanks again for the reply pennyshusker.

Uh, it has nothing to do with maturity, it has a lot to do with common sense. What's to disagreed with? A completely fabricated scenario that is based on ????????????
 
My point is this. If this coaching staff were to go 4-8 or 5-7 and the last coach was 4-5 games better than that with similar talent (I know AA was terrific and Gregory was pretty good) against a very poor schedule...that should raise red flags about this coaching staff. The same flags that are raised when you look at his last 5 years as a head coach.
Talent is not that similar, not crazy far off, but not similar when you take into consideration the lack of depth and the injuries we've sustained this year. Losing Sr's Zaire Anderson, Trevor Roach and Kenny Bell have also hurt.

And I'd like to believe you until you said;
You fired the last guy that won at least 9 games a year, EVERY year. I hear the nonsense about embarrassing losses on national tv. For those with selective memory...TO took it on the chin a few times on TV also.
Sorry, but to me you're sticking up for Bo.
 
I know when he was first hired he was asked why did you decide to make the move now. His response was something like I wanted to give it one last try. While that might be true to a small extent I doubt that was his deciding factor. Scenario for you:

You are a 62 year old coach who has lived in Corvalis most of your life, coached there most of it too. You have turned down multiple job offers throughout your younger years and wanted to stay put in your home area.
You have show mediocre coaching no matter where you have been. You had planned to retire and finish coaching in Corvalis. The locals were starting to get tired of losing and pressure was starting to become great, you weren't sure if you would make it to retiring.

Then out of the blue Nebraska calls, "Hey Mike you want to come to Nebraska we will give you 2.7 million to coach for us. Yeah we know your record and history we don't care." So now you have an option to make triple what you were making, leave from a place that wanted you gone anyways and go to a place that is use to being mediocre. If/ when you fail you will get fired and can retire anyways you will never coach again and won't need to because you just banked 2.7 mill. You then can move back to you beloved Corvalis and retire in peace, thank Nebraska for the money and never give them a second thought.

As far as I know he has not bought a house here yet, that doesn't give much confidence that he plans to be here long or wants to! Now I know he is still a coach and no coach wants to lose, but I don't see him having the pride her and drive to win as he did there.
As soon as someone projects to know what someone's motives are without actually knowing the individual and having that individual tell them directly, you've lost all credibility.

How do you know what Bo Pelini's motive was when he took the job? How do you know he didn't just want to get paid a head coach salary and didn't care about winning? How do you think you'd feel when you are 62 and take on a new job? This guy won a championship in Canada (yeah, big deal if you want, but it shows he can win a championship.) This guy got Oregon State to a BCS bowl. This guy was good enough to be courted and hired by an NFL team. This guy was good enough to be courted by UCLA and Alabama. If you think all of these schools and programs had the wool pulled over their eyes, then he is one heck of an actor.

I wish everyone would just shut up about what a failure Mike Riley is and actually try to get behind the guy and what he's trying to accomplish here. You'll find life is a lot more enjoyable when you actually believe in something good and collectively buy in to what a leader is building. Instead we have a whole sector of fans who want to prove they knew better and do anything they can to tear down an individual.

Cut. It. Out.

We are supposed to be known as the Greatest Fans in College Football. But it seems to me that we are just acting like everyone else. Puke.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard it all "this guy is paid $2.7 million to do better than this" "This guy was brought in to improve upon 9 win seasons." etc. etc.

Get behind him and the staff. Until you do, you're just like any of the holdover players who are loyal to Bo and not ready to move forward in a new direction. I'm embarrassed by some of the drivel being put out there by some of these so called fans.

I'm proud that Nebraska is different. But the more hatred that keeps spewing out of these posts makes me think we are not different anymore, and that is sad to me.

Go Big Red.
 
Talent is not that similar, not crazy far off, but not similar when you take into consideration the lack of depth and the injuries we've sustained this year. Losing Sr's Zaire Anderson, Trevor Roach and Kenny Bell have also hurt.

And I'd like to believe you until you said;
Sorry, but to me you're sticking up for Bo.

Not at all. I am saying the reason that Bo was fired is because he was a douche...That way we can all stop pretending that he was fired because he didn't win enough.

Don't confuse the previous issue. Right now the reason Nebraska is 2-3 is less about talent and far more about bad coaching.
 
A coach who has coached for over 30 years is all of sudden going to get it.

Fine how does get his players to play hard all game?
 
Not at all. I am saying the reason that Bo was fired is because he was a douche...That way we can all stop pretending that he was fired because he didn't win enough.
I believe it was both. Him being a douche and for not winning enough meaningful games.

Right now the reason Nebraska is 2-3 is about talent and far more about bad coaching.
Agree to disagree. Lack of depth and injuries have hurt far more. Has there been bad coaching? Absolutely. But if we didn't have all of these injuries to our starters we'd (most likely) be sitting at 5-0.
 
I believe it was both. Him being a douche and for not winning enough meaningful games.

Agree to disagree. Lack of depth and injuries have hurt far more. Has there been bad coaching? Absolutely. But if we didn't have all of these injuries to our starters we'd (most likely) be sitting at 5-0.

The problem is injuries had nothing to do with what happened in the BYU and Illinois games.
 
Urban saying he didn't want to come here because we fired a 9-win coach was pure B.S. He didn't want to come here because he knew we didn't have the talent to compete for championships right away, whereas Zook left the cupboards stocked full of talent at Florida.

Zook averaged 8 wins at Florida, finished in the Top 25 every year, and brought in Top 10 recruiting classes every year. I fail to see how firing him was less outrageous than firing Solich.

Because firing Ron Zook at UF wasn't the national disassembly of CFB's winningest program over 50 years and the abandonment of most unique system in CFB.
 
As soon as someone projects to know what someone's motives are without actually knowing the individual and having that individual tell them directly, you've lost all credibility.

How do you know what Bo Pelini's motive was when he took the job? How do you know he didn't just want to get paid a head coach salary and didn't care about winning? How do you think you'd feel when you are 62 and take on a new job? This guy won a championship in Canada (yeah, big deal if you want, but it shows he can win a championship.) This guy got Oregon State to a BCS bowl. This guy was good enough to be courted and hired by an NFL team. This guy was good enough to be courted by UCLA and Alabama. If you think all of these schools and programs had the wool pulled over their eyes, then he is one heck of an actor.

I wish everyone would just shut up about what a failure Mike Riley is and actually try to get behind the guy and what he's trying to accomplish here. You'll find life is a lot more enjoyable when you actually believe in something good and collectively buy in to what a leader is building. Instead we have a whole sector of fans who want to prove they knew better and do anything they can to tear down an individual.

Cut. It. Out.

We are supposed to be known as the Greatest Fans in College Football. But it seems to me that we are just acting like everyone else. Puke.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard it all "this guy is paid $2.7 million to do better than this" "This guy was brought in to improve upon 9 win seasons." etc. etc.

Get behind him and the staff. Until you do, you're just like any of the holdover players who are loyal to Bo and not ready to move forward in a new direction. I'm embarrassed by some of the drivel being put out there by some of these so called fans.

I'm proud that Nebraska is different. But the more hatred that keeps spewing out of these posts makes me think we are not different anymore, and that is sad to me.

Go Big Red.

Truth be told, 2.7 million is the going rate. I believe Rhodes at ISU is paid something like a shade over 2 million base salary to have them where they are. The coaches salary at NU isn't anything particularly special considering the results we want. But on the other hand, there isn't really a need to throw 7 million at Riley or Frost or McElwain either, they'd come for less, obviously.
 
Because firing Ron Zook at UF wasn't the national disassembly of CFB's winningest program over 50 years and the abandonment of most unique system in CFB.

I believe alot of the butt hurt among coaches is that, while very publically Solich was told to color and make changes, he did, won 4 more games, and was *still* fired. That doesn't bode well that results or smart salutes to an AD or fan base earns a coach very much loyalty. Its not like he gave the finger like Bo and refused to change anything.
 
Urban saying he didn't want to come here because we fired a 9-win coach was pure B.S. He didn't want to come here because he knew we didn't have the talent to compete for championships right away, whereas Zook left the cupboards stocked full of talent at Florida.

Zook averaged 8 wins at Florida, finished in the Top 25 every year, and brought in Top 10 recruiting classes every year. I fail to see how firing him was less outrageous than firing Solich.

Yeah, so the first paragraph is correct. Florida was built to win right away thanks to some really good recruiting.

The second paragraph is not correct. Florida went 8-5, 8-5 and 7-5. I am not sure they finished any of the three seasons ranked. Both Solich and Zook were clearly in over their heads and both needed to go.
 
I know when he was first hired he was asked why did you decide to make the move now. His response was something like I wanted to give it one last try. While that might be true to a small extent I doubt that was his deciding factor. Scenario for you:

You are a 62 year old coach who has lived in Corvalis most of your life, coached there most of it too. You have turned down multiple job offers throughout your younger years and wanted to stay put in your home area.
You have show mediocre coaching no matter where you have been. You had planned to retire and finish coaching in Corvalis. The locals were starting to get tired of losing and pressure was starting to become great, you weren't sure if you would make it to retiring.

Then out of the blue Nebraska calls, "Hey Mike you want to come to Nebraska we will give you 2.7 million to coach for us. Yeah we know your record and history we don't care." So now you have an option to make triple what you were making, leave from a place that wanted you gone anyways and go to a place that is use to being mediocre. If/ when you fail you will get fired and can retire anyways you will never coach again and won't need to because you just banked 2.7 mill. You then can move back to you beloved Corvalis and retire in peace, thank Nebraska for the money and never give them a second thought.

As far as I know he has not bought a house here yet, that doesn't give much confidence that he plans to be here long or wants to! Now I know he is still a coach and no coach wants to lose, but I don't see him having the pride her and drive to win as he did there.
What the hell is here for then? Trust me all coaches at every level want to win! that is their livelihood. I can't believe some of the stuff that I read on this board. Our fans have completely lost their mind geesh louise.
 
The problem is injuries had nothing to do with what happened in the BYU and Illinois games.
Really? If we're 100% healthy then we're still in the exact same game situation? Better (healthy) players on the field changes everything.
 
Really? If we're 100% healthy then we're still in the exact same game situation? Better (healthy) players on the field changes everything.

Who would have batted down a hail mary pass or kneeled down on 3rd down better because they were healthy?

Or played safety to prevent a 75 yd pass play or would have caught Westerkamp TD pass he dropped to make the score 17-7

I'm stickin with what we know.
 
Of course Riley wants to win. Whether he has the ability to win is another question.

I do think if Riley had won 9-10 games the last few years at Oregon State, he'd still be there. I have to think that the media and fans calling for Banker's head had something to do with him leaving. He did not want to have to fire his buddy.

Riley will not survive multiple losing seasons here. Coaches at blue-blood schools almost never do. Auburn fans want to fire Malzahn 2 years after a National Championship appearance (they did the same thing to Chizik). Hopefully it never comes to this for Riley. If it does, it's ridiculous to say that no good coach would come here. Money talks, and we have more money than most programs with more Big Ten money on the way. But for some reason, we have went cheap on the last couple of hires....and ironically it will end up costing us more in the long run with buyouts and waning fan support.

If you reread my post carefully, you'll notice that I said "turned some heads in coaching circles" not "scared Urban Meyer off". As I remember of the context of the statement from Urban Meyer in the telecast, it was about College Coaches in general moreso than what he was personally considering at Utah at the time.

Urban Meyer probably wasn't going to end up at NU for a variety of reasons, but that's a different conversation altogether from what he said in the telecast about coaches taking notice that 9 wins wasn't good enough anymore.
 
Who would have batted down a hail mary pass or kneeled down on 3rd down better because they were healthy?

Or played safety to prevent a 75 yd pass play or would have caught Westerkamp TD pass he dropped to make the score 17-7

I'm stickin with what we know.
I don't know else how to explain this, but I'll try.

If we are healthier, there's a very good probability that the games don't come down to those plays you mentioned. Wouldn't you agree that if we were healthier we would be a better team? Therefore instead of being up by only 6 with 52 seconds left we'd be up by 2 scores or more with 52 seconds left.
 
I don't think it is "did he come here to win or not." Question is, how much fire to win is there? If things continue to go south this year, will he lose interest in the project or keep pounding away until it works. If changes in the assistants need to be made, will he do it to win or well he keep them on to be comfortable or out of a sense of loyalty. We'll just have to see. Some guys keep trying for the top until they drop, and others are content with a nice retirement after taking a shot or two. We'll just have to see how it goes.
 
Holy shit. Nobody has ever suggested something like this before. (sarcasm)

Our fans base is a damn joke right now.

Really, old timer? You think the fan base is the problem? Go sit in the recliner shut off your iPad and drift into a long nap. You obviously have lost your senses. If in the last 15 years our leadership, from coaches to Chancellor, would have put the program in position to win something, anything with a trophy, we might not be so jaded. It's our fault, nice job gramps.
 
  • Like
Reactions: suhnami
OP, I have seen some of your posts here. You are all right. That being said, this is not one of your better ones. Regardless of whether you think MR is the man for the job here, you have to admit that he did not just come here to not give a s*it about winning and collect 2.7.

I will guarantee..f'n...tee you that he wants to win any more than any of us posters on this board even do.

This is coming from a guy that is becoming very skeptical that he can do that.
 
[UOTE="c2o, post: 900917, member: 11904"]I post dumb sh&t on a almost daily basis.
I'm all the time posting dumb sh$t.
I'm pretty sure I have posted dumber sh#t.[/QUOTE]

Lmao... c2o always comes through.... ;)
 
1. He has bought a house, and the reason for the delay is related to his wife's allergies.
2. If you think that MR took this job for the money, you have not followed his history. He wants to win more than any of the posters on this board.

On what basis do you make the following statement, "He wants to win more than any posters on this board"? Are you basing it on how he has coached the first 5 games that he has been the Husker coach? His barely above .500 record that has been declining the last 5 years while being the Head Football Coach at Oregon State? He's 62 years old. When he is going to start showing this great desire to win that you write about?
 
On what basis do you make the following statement, "He wants to win more than any posters on this board"? Are you basing it on how he has coached the first 5 games that he has been the Husker coach? His barely above .500 record that has been declining the last 5 years while being the Head Football Coach at Oregon State? He's 62 years old. When he is going to start showing this great desire to win that you write about?
When MR was hired I did a lot of reading up on him, I have read every article on Riley in the LJS and OWH and I have watched his pressers. Mike Riley is not by any stretch of the imagination a money-grubbing, coniving individual, he loves what he does and the NU gig is his swan song.

I think, though, that you know that and your questions are aimed at a discussion of whether MR is the right guy for this job. I don't know the answer to that. I was not pleased with his hiring and was less pleased when he decided to bring a colony of beavers along with him. I just don't see the need for unfair character attacks on MR because the season has been a disappointment so far.
 
On what basis do you make the following statement, "He wants to win more than any posters on this board"? Are you basing it on how he has coached the first 5 games that he has been the Husker coach? His barely above .500 record that has been declining the last 5 years while being the Head Football Coach at Oregon State? He's 62 years old. When he is going to start showing this great desire to win that you write about?

Desire and ability are two different things.

I don't doubt for a minute that the man wants to win. Him being able to live out that dream here might go his way, might not.

If desire alone equated to results, there'd be a lot more rich people and skinny people and insert any positive adjective you want that people desire but don't achieve.

Muschamp, Strong, Rich Rod at UM, any number of pretty good coaches lost a lot of games and ultimately their jobs at certain stops, is that because they didn't want to win?
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Lincoln100
Desire and ability are two different things.

I don't doubt for a minute that the man wants to win. Him being able to live out that dream here might go his way, might not.

If desire alone equated to results, there'd be a lot more rich people and skinny people and insert any positive adjective you want that people desire but don't achieve.

Muschamp, Strong, Rich Rod at UM, any number of pretty good coaches lost a lot of games and ultimately their jobs at certain stops, is that because they didn't want to win?
Recruiting will be the differentiator. In Nebs case it won't end well. Oregon St. already has more 4 stars than MR recruited in the past 3 years. He's a great guy me Rogers as folks call him. Bottom line, he's not a great recruiter and it's too hard to get blue chips to Lincoln. Not going to end well. It will end classy in 7 or 8 years and pray for one big 10 title
 
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read.. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no likes, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
Recruiting will be the differentiator. In Nebs case it won't end well. Oregon St. already has more 4 stars than MR recruited in the past 3 years. He's a great guy me Rogers as folks call him. Bottom line, he's not a great recruiter and it's too hard to get blue chips to Lincoln. Not going to end well. It will end classy in 7 or 8 years and pray for one big 10 title

Not a great recruiter....based on what? Stars? If so..maybe you are right...but he does have a knack for developing players and finding under the radar players? Hopefully...at Nebraska he can do both...bring in highly ranked recruits and find those diamonds.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/3/4690620/college-football-best-coaches-mike-riley
 
Recruiting will be the differentiator. In Nebs case it won't end well. Oregon St. already has more 4 stars than MR recruited in the past 3 years. He's a great guy me Rogers as folks call him. Bottom line, he's not a great recruiter and it's too hard to get blue chips to Lincoln. Not going to end well. It will end classy in 7 or 8 years and pray for one big 10 title

tumblr_mgfozleELP1r426i4o6_r1_250.gif
 
Really, old timer? You think the fan base is the problem? Go sit in the recliner shut off your iPad and drift into a long nap. You obviously have lost your senses. If in the last 15 years our leadership, from coaches to Chancellor, would have put the program in position to win something, anything with a trophy, we might not be so jaded. It's our fault, nice job gramps.

Yes. We are a few games into Riley's first season and we have thread (after thread) about Riley just wanting money, him not wanting to win, when to fire him, replacements, and on. It's freaking ridiculous. Everyone needs to get a damn grip and realize that we need to give Riley time to get the Pelini mentality out, recruit his kind of guys, develop his players, and see where things go after a few years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lincoln100
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read.. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no likes, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Great. Argue it then? How's the recruiting going?
 
Great. Argue it then? How's the recruiting going?

It's going well. We are tremendously organized, have a concrete plan in place for each AC, have a very creative and active support staff, have established a very nice class so far (plenty are putting up video game numbers as seniors), and have some good chances with remaining prospects that are talented. We will also likely get into the JUCO ranks soon to see what else we need to add heading into next year. Lest we forget that we appear to be making some very nice connections for 2017 as well.
 
It's going well. We are tremendously organized, have a concrete plan in place for each AC, have a very creative and active support staff, have established a very nice class so far (plenty are putting up video game numbers as seniors), and have some good chances with remaining prospects that are talented. We will also likely get into the JUCO ranks soon to see what else we need to add heading into next year. Lest we forget that we appear to be making some very nice connections for 2017 as well.
Ummmmmm okay. A top 40 class is going to get us there??? I guess we view thinks differently. We'll end up around 30, but still.
 
Ummmmmm okay. A top 40 class is going to get us there??? I guess we view thinks differently. We'll end up around 30, but still.

A few things to add here: (1) we will see what our final ranking ends up being and go from there. We're not done yet. (2) I'm more than willing to see how the talent evaluation goes. Riley is well known for having a great eye for talent. We were all over O'Brien when nobody else was. Now? We've also clearly got other HCs around the country who essentially offer after we do because they clearly believe Riley has a good eye. (3) I think 2017 is setting up to be our splash year for Riley (not 2016).

The reality is that we will have to wait and see (just like the W/L column) but it's nonsense to argue that we are in bad shape. Our recruiting infrastructure is the best it has been since Cally was here.l
 
What was Utah's recruiting rating the last few seasons? What was Michigan State's before they went on to have a great 5 year run? What was Kansas State's when they were winning under Snyder?

Yes, yes, I get it - we need to have good, athletic skill players. We are getting them and will continue to, but at some point, it requires a coach with a cool demeanor and one that develops players that we can get to elevate the program. You don't just blink your eyes and all of the sudden start landing top 5 recruiting talent, unless you're a) Urban Meyer b) Nick Saban or c) doing something illegally.

In our case, I believe we have the right guy at the top who will develop and ultimately get the most out of his players until we move up into the next echelon. For now, that requires finishing the year out successfully and showing some momentum by the end of the year. Let's let the coaching staff bring in players they believe they need and see where we are next year, and possibly more importantly, the year after that.
 
A top 40 class is going to get us there??? We'll end up around 30, but still

1,800 to 2,000 points isn't going to result in the "around 30" or "40" class, it'll get us around the top 20, possibly higher. And with the seeds planted and the nurturing going on for the 2017 class, I can't fathom how anyone would complain. Except, I just remind myself that a few on here actually pay attention to what's really going on.
 
1,800 to 2,000 points isn't going to result in the "around 30" or "40" class, it'll get us around the top 20, possibly higher. And with the seeds planted and the nurturing going on for the 2017 class, I can't fathom how anyone would complain. Except, I just remind myself that a few on here actually pay attention to what's really going on.
Wow, you understand recruiting :). Way to reach!! If it makes you feel better then keep it up. Most of us take off the Rosie glasses on occasion. Just saying
 
  • Like
Reactions: runningback43
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT