Recruiting updates 2023-24
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coach Osborne himself, lurker. I have no idea but thats the only way that math works.
Probably Mrs. Osborne, at least like many wives that's what she tells Tom every day.
You replied to a comment about recruiting. Now you want to change it to true freshman production? So how about Cam and Princewill? Does he get credit for those 2 superstars? If db's stop tackling Malachi and he ends up with 4 or 5 touchdowns do you consider him a superstar?
I'd be very happy for Nebraska to win every game if Stalin was the coach. I'm certainly fine with Rhule if he's successful. I just don't think he wants to be here...and I'd like someone who's a better recruiter.
I didn't change anything, I said superstars, if one of you created your own definition that's a you issue and not a me issue. If we want to win anything, we'll need some superstars. A WR example would be Harrison at Ohio State. There is no reason we're spending 400 million dollars on facilities, etc. etc. unless we're trying to win titles. To do all that work and spend all that money and then not have a team capable of doing it is insanity. We either need a staff that will recruit and close (not be number 2 but actually get them to sign, close to doesn't count) or better NIL that will help them close. It's crazy to even have to argue this point, it's been battered about ad nauseum on here for years. The teams at the top of the recruiting rankings are also the teams in the CFP consistantly. We're acting in every way except the play on the field like we want to be that. It's time for the play on the field to match the investment, and that includes on the recruiting front.
The discussion was about recruiting. Rhule closed on Coleman. I gave that example. A top 100 prospect at worst. Top 60 at best. And you use a generational talent at WR as a counter argument. A generational talent who caught 11 passes his freshman year, including the bowl game. Coleman has more td's at this point then Harrison did at that point in his freshman year. Like I said, nice trolling.
This is an excellent point. Rhule obviously sucks because he can’t reel in top talent immediately after 6 straight losing seasons. What a loser. The worst thing we could do is see how a winning record might help recruiting. 5-3 is nothing to celebrate. If we finish with 8 or 9 wins Rhule sucks because he can’t recruit the top dogs. Why wouldn’t they want to come to a place with the longest bowl drought in the nation?
Hope my sarcasm is coming through…
Great, let's see how it plays out. He got one in state guy, we'll see if he sticks around, keeps making an impact, doesn't get injured etc. But that's one, we need a lot more. Stop trolling my posts, if you don't want to have a real discussion, and can't acknowledge that other people make valid points when 20 years of mostly ineptitude proves the point, then just don't respond.
You can tell immediately, yes. Obviously he has an uphill battle but he accepted the job and presumably cashes the checks. We can't keep letting people come in here and rob us blind, there's nothing wrong with holding people accountable that have a large impact and make lots of money. We are allowed to have high expectations.
What valid point did you make? That Malachi Coleman isn't Marvin Harrison Jr.? Ok.
8 games in and with all the young players playing so well you choose to attack recruiting? Interesting.
so you recognize he has an uphill battle, but you are holding him to a standard of production that we haven’t attained in years, and are giving no leash for him to attain it. Fair?
Judge him at the end of the season. Accept his words that suggest he may in fact like being here. You don’t think he likes it in Lincoln and is just cashing a check even though he says otherwise? If he doesn’t like it here, why accept the job to begin with when he was making bank from the Panthers even without working?
Do you go through life believing other people are all liars? Why not take his word at face value? If he doesn’t like it here he will accept the first medium-high profile offer he receives and you can look forward to Leipold coming this way.
I understand accountability. I don’t understand the expectation level you have for him out of the gates. If we win out and win the west, I can already tell you won’t be impressed, because the west sucks. But we haven’t won the west ever, and it has sucked a long time. That doesn’t mean anything to you?
Edit: go ahead and have high expectations. That’s fine. But make them realistic expectations as well.
Yes, I am holding him to that higher standard and I won't apologize for it. For too long everyone has just been happy to be here and get to pretend to be big time without having to be held accountable. He's his own person and didn't cause all of our issues but his leash should be shorter than those that came before him. It is possible to flip a program quickly, this isn't 1990 anymore when people needed a 5 year plan. Reasonable people can disagree, but this is how I am now, you can be different.
I'd be ecstatic with winning the west and would celebrate accordingly. My love isn't unconditional for these staffs anymore, and I won't just fall in love because they are at Nebraska, it's their job to earn it not mine.
Correct. Recruiting isn't going as well as it should so far if we want to get where we are at least pretending we want to go. I expect better, you can have whatever standards you want however.
Where would you like to see improved recruiting? Rb is my only concern at this point. What position groups do think need improvement?
Trev Alberts is the one who gets to hold our head coach accountable and to high standards.
Not a bunch of message board fans.
Shut the board down then? What are we supposed to talk about?
We can talk about pretty much anything under the sun up here outside of religion and politics.
Nobody up here is in any kind of position to hold any coach, player, or coordinator accountable for....... anything at all.
We're free to not watch the team and not buy tickets, but that's about the extent of it.
A quick look at our top targets shows only 2 fours stars in the list. Every position group should have 4 stars are higher as legitimate targets. The stars debate has gone on repeatedly for years around here, but what's not debatable is the top 10 list looks just like the top 10 recruiting rankings year in and year out. That's where we want to be so that's how we need to be recruiting. Not necessarily the top class, but in the top 10 repeatedly. If we don't want to be chasing this, then someone in the AD should come out and say we aren't interested in being up there anymore. So far, though, we act like we want to be big time, we just don't play like it. One side of the equation needs to change.
Do you watch the games? How many hands does it take to count the freshman impact players? I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt after seeing the early results.
I can't remember this many young players looking this good.
If you want top 10 recruiting rankings you better start following another team. Simple as that.
Duh, it would have to be King Kong!
Of course. Having freshmen out there in this case, though, means we didn't have upper classmen, not that the freshmen are so good.
I think I'm allowed to follow whatever team I want, but I'm curious how you think we'll be title contenders (even in the big 10, not even nationally) without better classes. And I'm wondering why you think we're spending 100's of millions of dollars if it isn't to chase championships?
Redli doesn’t want to give credit for stepping stones. These freshmen may be good but if they didn’t have 4 stars, not good enough. This can’t be an incremental build. We have to go from worst P5 program the last 6 years to contenders in Rhule’s first year. Haven’t you been paying attention?
I can already see the vision. Defense. Special teams. A running game. Build the program up for the long-haul. Develop players. Speed.
If we were to win 8 games this year do you think recruiting would get a little easier? What if we do it again next year? It's a slow, sustainable climb. We are winning games we have continually lost but with younger players. You don't acknowledge that?
I don't claim to have any idea why the AD spends money how they do.
smarter than TO re: football?
not a chance
that man has forgotten more about football in the last week than I could ever hope to know in 10 lifetimes
So you can "See the vision" regarding their team building philosophy when you have no idea what they're doing since you aren't there, but somehow can't see the vision with how the AD spends money? That's a cop out.
Staffs that are good at recruiting do it anywhere, they don't need to win games to recruit, they are good at selling the vision and convincing people to buy into it.
One of the coaches you would have been down for is Lance Leipold.
His record at Buffalo his first 3 seasons…
5-7
2-10 (horrible regression)
6-6
At Kansas his first 2 years…
3-9 recruiting 67
6-7 recruiting class - 63
6-2 currently, recruiting - 49
I tried to find buffalo’s recruiting rankings but couldn’t find anything. Suffice it to say they were bad.
What makes you think Leipold would be a contender out of the gates? I have no doubt in my mind you would be more patient for Leipold than you would be for Rhule. Don’t even try to convince me otherwise. And would we be top 15 in recruiting with Leipold today? Hardly think so…
Just own up that your problem is with Rhule. You haven’t gone on a crusade like this for any previous coach, you have been outspoken in your feelings about Rhule. This has less to do with your expectations all of a sudden than it does for your dislike of Rhule.
Rhule told "us" what he wanted his team to look like. So far he has been spot on, except for the fumbling.
Would I love a top 10 recruiting class? Absolutely. Am I going to allow Rhule time to work towards that goal over time? Absolutely.
We are winning and you find something else to complain about. I find that very troll like.
Leipold is at Kansas, what he can realistically accomplish and the expectations are very very different. I would hold his feet to the fire here as well. He's earning more and more time though, if Rhule wins big games he earns the chance to have screw ups. You're only as good as your last envelope. I blindly supported previous staffs and it's become clear that was a mistake and no stakeholders should do that again.
Rhule seems like a hell of a nice guy, it's nothing personal, I just want to win and felt others were a better choice.
So that I understand, if Leipold were 5-3 you would be saying the same things as you are about Rhule? It’s hard to believe, considering you’ve been quiet about Riley and Frost before him…
I can only take your word for it…
Like who? Just curious.
I don't wholly disagree with everything you're saying. Spot on really, other than the immediate part. It's reasonable to give Rhule time to work toward those elite classes.
There are probably a total of about a handful of guys who could have come in and recruited at a top level right away. And most, if not all of them, were never coming here. Including Leipold. Nothing about that guy says he'd have recruited any better than Rhule.
Leipold is a great coach but right now I'm taking Rhule at Nebraska. The B10 has much better coaching than the B12 which also sucks this year. Kansas has an awesome rushing attack that LL has implemented everywhere he has been, but that defense is garbage.
Yes, because previous hires I was blindly supporting. I don't do that anymore.
You don’t need to blindly support it, you just need to open your eyes.
