Realistically, how good is our talent level for the new coach?

[rcnut223]

Forgetting Riley, a historically mediocre coach who we wasted a hire on, I am looking ahead. We are so poorly coached and our team morale is so low that it’s difficult to get a sense of what we have. We have good receivers, I think, but that’s about it.

I want Frost to come like everyone, but it feels like our culture, brand, and roster are so beaten down that we are now a major rebuilding project.

Is the talent there for a turnaround in 1-2 years?

Look at the number of walk-on's starting or on the 2 deep and this will tell you a lot about the program and the failure to find talent

Recruiting kids is not just about signing them, they have to make it to Lincoln, in case you are unaware this is not happening , too many recruits don't qualify .


In addition we haven't filled a class , correct me if I'm wrong, in the last 4 or 5 years. By this I mean if we have, for example , 23 spots we only recruit 21 .

 

[Chuck003]

Watch the 2018 NFL draft. It will tell you everything you need to know.

 

[ssmill777]

Is the talent there for a turnaround in 1-2 years?[/QUOTE]
The culture of softness is so ingrained, I don't think it's possible in less than 3 yrs.

 

[spazmanhusker]

Answer the question yourself, how many Nebraska players make the all Big Ten First Team, second team or even third team after the season?

I don’t think that is reflection on the lack of talent, but the lack of coaches developing talent!!!

 

[rrthusker]

I don’t think that is reflection on the lack of talent, but the lack of coaches developing talent!!!

Perhaps. Guess we will see with a new staff.

 

[19Football19]

Look how many freshman and sophomores make up the two deep. This team could be really good in two years.

Huh??? Not sure if serious. I️ hope not.

 

[kkotsch87]

With the right coaches we have enough talent to compete for a division title next year. Period. The rivals rankings say it. The eyeballs say it. Our biggest issue is replacing our graduating senior linemen. We HAVE to land some guys this cycle preferrably a JUCO OT and then stay healthy there.

we don't lose a single lineman on either side of the ball other then knevel.

 

[hinkle]

We have won the West in recruiting every year. I am doubtful that we have way more people not making it to campus than other teams. Even if that is the case, we probably still would be first in recruiting. We don't have athletes like Ohio State but we have way more than anyone else in our division.

 

[barney44]

Everyone said we didn't have any talent back in 2007 as well, same story different day.

 

[Firemiker]

It may be hard to get a good feel for the talent level because they are so woefully prepared each week. They look absolutely lost.

 

[regibson1]

It may be hard to get a good feel for the talent level because they are so woefully prepared each week. They look absolutely lost.

S&C plays into this as well. Comparing our OL to Wisconsin is very telling when looking at the player's listed weight as recruits and their current weight after a couple of years in the program.

Wisconsin OL overall has added a lot more weight when compared to Nebraska's OL. We have players that have added no additional weight compared to their weight as recruits while Wisconsin has players on the OL that have added 40 lbs or more. Wisconsin's OL line physically manhandled our DL and Iowa's DL today.

 

[barney44]

S&C plays into this as well. Comparing our OL to Wisconsin is very telling when looking at the player's listed weight as recruits and their current weight after a couple of years in the program.

Wisconsin OL overall has added a lot more weight when compared to Nebraska's OL. We have players that have added no additional weight compared to their weight as recruits while Wisconsin has players on the OL that have added 40 lbs or more. Wisconsin's OL line physically manhandled our DL and Iowa's DL today.

I think this is a big problem with the football team. That is all a part of player development.

 

[Chuck003]

Deeper on both lines than when Riley gout here.

WR playmakers but not deep.

RB trash

TE way too many for a spread offense

Punter good

Kicker starting over

LB average

Safety young but promising

CB trash

our talent level is the lowest i've seen in 20 years. Period. The best player on the team is a redshirt freshman. Not brain surgery.

 

[Chuck003]

The NFL draft is a good indication of real talent. Watch the 2018 version and tell me what you see.

 

[Chuck003]

I don’t think that is reflection on the lack of talent, but the lack of coaches developing talent!!!

Don't be fooled- it's a combination of both.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Forgetting Riley, a historically mediocre coach who we wasted a hire on, I am looking ahead. We are so poorly coached and our team morale is so low that it’s difficult to get a sense of what we have. We have good receivers, I think, but that’s about it.

I want Frost to come like everyone, but it feels like our culture, brand, and roster are so beaten down that we are now a major rebuilding project.

Is the talent there for a turnaround in 1-2 years?

No

 

[SoFL Husker]

Team speed is awful. Need to keep Spielman and Lindsay (from transferring). McQuitty back, hopefully get a few WR and speedy RB in this class.

QB for next year? WTF knows, with a new system.

LBs can't be worse. DBs are bad. Worst pass rush I have ever seen at Nebraska. All will probably improve with new coaching, but realistically, our D is gonna take another 2-4 years.

Lines could be ok with a year's worth of conditioning/coaching...but just ok. This recruiting class is probably toast, so impact guys will be 2 years away, as true freshman.

I think whoever comes in has 5 years minimum, with results seen in year 3, and the expectation for 2 years of futility (rebuild).

Just a realistic expectation.

 

[SoFL Husker]

we don't lose a single lineman on either side of the ball other then knevel.

Often times, this is a good indication of teams to bet against, when the installed base of talent on the OL/DL is bad, and everybody returns.

 

[Huskercigar]

Well...we have a first round (Maybe first overall pick) at QB

 

[Huskercigar]

TEs...they all look the same, slow and weak
LBs ... average is being sooo kind...beyond sucks is what I was thinking
RBs ... see TEs
CBs ... cringe
QB ... amazing he has made it though the season thus far behind this OL
OL and DL ... titanic disappointments, more worried about face paint than blocking and tackling

Sad state of affairs.

Yea I agree. I think its arguable that the depth is deeper than when Riley got it. We have yet to see what the new coach will inherit in regards to transfers and 2018 class. Yes there is a lot of Freshman and Soph but they don't appear to pass the eye test under this staff.

 

[Huskercigar]

Very apparent we have the least talent in the entire Big 10. This is a total rebuild for any coach. Thanks Bo.

Wow

 

[SoFL Husker]

Look guys, the first thing that needs to happen is install a new culture.

Right now, none of these kids believe in Nebraska football. In the back of their minds, it is a mythical fairy tale of unrealistic comparisons to bygone days of glory, that none of them can live up to.

We keep bringing in guys that don't embrace our culture or any culture.

This staff is the product of that migration away from our football roots into a cynical, diabolical, anti-Nebraska culture from within.

In essence, nobody believes in themselves anymore, from coaches to players, and it will take a new coach time just to extricate the voodoo.

If not Frost, I would hire a guy who can get kids believing in themselves again. A guy with leadership, who gets his guys to play hard, for HIM if not anyone else. Someone with his own brand. Someone who instills belief. Someone who demands respect.

Mike Riley's problem is he's a tiny squirt of a nice guy who doesn't command respect. He doesn't lead. He doesn't instill any culture of football.

 

[Huskercigar]

I don’t think that is reflection on the lack of talent, but the lack of coaches developing talent!!!

I think its safe to say at this point that its not one or the other. Its both. WE are going to need to attack all ends of this to improve.

 

[SoFL Husker]

I think this is a big problem with the football team. That is all a part of player development.

Put Boyd back in charge of S&C for all football related activities on interim basis, with accountability at all levels, with Husker Power testing broadcast publicly.

 

[TarheelHuskerFan]

I bet we have more raw talent than Iowa State.
I bet we have more raw talent than nc state.
And so on...

It's coaching and scheme.
Players need to be coached up mentally and physically.
They need to be put in the right place at the right time.

None of that is happening.
A good coach will not have us competing against Ohio state next year but we can easily be better than Minneosota, Purdue, Northwestern, etc... immediately if the right coaches are here.

 

[huskerfan1414]

While I don't think we have the talent to compete for the big ten title, we certainly have the talent to compete with Wisconsin and Iowa for the big ten west.
We are not getting anything out of our players right now. That's problem number 1, not talent. Only a fool would think otherwise.
We just did worse than a multitude of 1-aa schools would do against a poor Minnesota team with a new coach. We are getting less than half of what we should be out of our talent, period.

 

[jimbosc]

For Frost to be successful as early as possible - he needs to sort out the oline - we have too many look like Tarzan play like Jane guys. And find a QB to run his scheme. Defensively - we need 1 or 2 pass rushers. Fix those and coach what we have effectively and this team goes to a 9 win team that competes with high level Big10 teams.

 

[coachDubs]

I want Frost to come like everyone, but it feels like our culture, brand, and roster are so beaten down that we are now a major rebuilding project.

Bill Moos said this isn't a rebuild, no going back on what he said now.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Bill Moos said this isn't a rebuild, no going back on what he said now.

 

[scarletred]

Bill Moos said this isn't a rebuild, no going back on what he said now.

Next year schedule may say different. Maybe he didn't see the schedule.
@Michigan
@Wisconsin
@ Northwestern
@tOSU
Home Michigan St
@ Iowa

I'm NOT predicting any record here but 6-6 when be in the right direction.

 

[coachDubs]

Next year schedule may say different. Maybe he didn't see the schedule.

That's his problem, not mine.

Winners win, losers lose.

 

[oldjar07]

Forgetting Riley, a historically mediocre coach who we wasted a hire on, I am looking ahead. We are so poorly coached and our team morale is so low that it’s difficult to get a sense of what we have. We have good receivers, I think, but that’s about it.

I want Frost to come like everyone, but it feels like our culture, brand, and roster are so beaten down that we are now a major rebuilding project.

Is the talent there for a turnaround in 1-2 years?

This post again...Our talent level is fine. Certainly good enough to win the Big10 West. Our coaching is the problem. Just look at how many players have regressed this year. Newby, Chris Jones, Kalu, Nick Gates, Cole Conrad all got significantly worse this year. That's not talent, it's coaching.

 

[oldjar07]

I dont see a lot of high end talent whatsoever, but the talent we do have can certainly be coached better...8 wins max, although next years schedule is a doozy. Not much talent on either line, D looks very unathletic...pretty low ceiling for these guys, need a big influx of talent for sure.

Just look at what happened to Chris Jones in one year. High round draft pick to worse than Lamar Jackson. Ouch.

 

[oldjar07]

With the right coaches we have enough talent to compete for a division title next year. Period. The rivals rankings say it. The eyeballs say it. Our biggest issue is replacing our graduating senior linemen. We HAVE to land some guys this cycle preferrably a JUCO OT and then stay healthy there.

I disagree that's the biggest issue. The OL is all on coaching. We need to land a qb that fits the next guy's system. We also need some DB's and linebackers because the talent is lacking there.

 

[dinglefritz]

we don't lose a single lineman on either side of the ball other then knevel.

Foster and Gates are both seniors. Unless there's a super secret injury redshirt I haven't heard about they're done.

 

[dinglefritz]

Diedrick Young is a 3 yr starter for us. That should tell you all you need to know about talent on this team.

Dedrick is a good player who in he right system could be really good. Not as fast as we need against OSU but darned good.

 

[Husker Sledge]

we don't lose a single lineman on either side of the ball other then knevel.

Gonna be tough replacing the CFL's #1 draft pick!

 

[dinglefritz]

Just look at what happened to Chris Jones in one year. High round draft pick to worse than Lamar Jackson. Ouch.

That's his injury and the fact that he should be rehabbing now instead of playing. I'm shocked he came back. It has nothing to do with coaching in his case. He would have been better off continuing to rehab because he's probably hurt his draft stock. He's a team player. Good kid. Should have looked out for himself.

 

[oldjar07]

Team speed is awful. Need to keep Spielman and Lindsay (from transferring). McQuitty back, hopefully get a few WR and speedy RB in this class.

QB for next year? WTF knows, with a new system.

LBs can't be worse. DBs are bad. Worst pass rush I have ever seen at Nebraska. All will probably improve with new coaching, but realistically, our D is gonna take another 2-4 years.

Lines could be ok with a year's worth of conditioning/coaching...but just ok. This recruiting class is probably toast, so impact guys will be 2 years away, as true freshman.

I think whoever comes in has 5 years minimum, with results seen in year 3, and the expectation for 2 years of futility (rebuild).

Just a realistic expectation.

Nope, don't underestimate what bad coaching can do. The turnaround is going to be a lot faster than that.

 

[coachDubs]

Foster and Gates are both seniors. Unless there's a super secret injury redshirt I haven't heard about they're done.

They're junior's.