Raiola - no longer in the building
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Somehow I missed #2. But, honestly, I am not surprised.
EDIT: I just read it and Holy Fuk
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Look, I understand coaching, lifting and all of that. It is easy to point the finger and say its all Duval's fault because he isn't doing something right. What is that something he isn't doing right, that's what I am asking. I am not a big make up excuses type of person, I want to know why and then address it.
Just to say our linemen for too big or too fat or too slow or couldn't move doesn't tell me much beyond how they are described like a large number of linemen who play football. Not every player comes to a school with the same body or the same potential for success. But the finger pointing is that Duval has failed and I am simply asking what he did wrong, not the results like oh they couldn't move their feet or had bellies, I get that. Pro players have that as well.
It's 100% on the coach. I would be very upset if Raiola is retained as anything other than an analyst.
If this is true it's likely Scott's doing. At UCF Duval was all about creating explosive athletes.
I should add, the culture determines how much the guys are busting their butts especially when no one is looking. Frost created a bs culture where guys did just enough. I mean if the reports are true that the HC was showing up late to practice you can imagine what the players were doing.
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I think it's 50/50 between Duval and the position coach, but both have been terrible to get the results we're seeing, and I don't think the talent we have on the roster is near as bad as it's made out to be. The OL is slow and weak, and that's easy to see on the field, especially when you compare them to good OLs like Ohio State and Michigan. It's a combination of terrible S&C and players not knowing their assignment or not executing properly because their position coach sucks and can't teach.
I was watching us play Washington in 2010 a couple of nights ago. Wash had a 230 LB RB, pretty good player, named Chris Polk. On a toss sweep, Eric Martin tackled him with one hand while pursuing him from inside out. That was football strength that you would never in a million years have seen from one of our players the last 5 years.
Yep and even our biggest DL guys have trouble wrapping up a lot of times. There's really no excuse to have near 100 lbs on the other guy and still getting overpowered.
I can’t believe people were on here entertaining Raiola to come back. There was never a chance in hell he was coming back.
Like a lot of people. The question was what specifically did Duval do to screw guys up with his S&C program. Telling me the body type doesn't say much.
Zero accountability is the main thing. Unlike most, I hated those twitter videos that came out #WarDaddyUp, where there was one guy pushing a lot of weight and dozens of guys standing around hooting and hollering but all around doing nothing. Lifting is a very individual thing, and a serious program has guys focused working on their own routines rather than messing around making a twitter video.
He would make an adequate guard as long as he wasn't asked to pull. I think keeping him at tackle and running a lot of 12 and 22 personnel would work. Nobody wants to limit their offense just to cover up for bad tackle play, but that makes more sense than Frost's empty backfield crap when our line is getting overwhelmed.
I wrote most this in post #111, I thought it answered the question pretty well honestly.
Duval was focused far too much on old school Olympic lifts. Remember all the videos of half squats with massive amounts of weight on the bar? They were so focused on making players bigger and stronger, they almost completely ignored agility, flexibility, etc which are at the core of modern S&C programs. Football is about functional strength, not just moving heavy weights. There was a poster on HuskerMax (SSO) that posted actual training videos, for young strength coaches, talking about how our program was outdated and got left behind.
This could have completely been at the direction of the head coach, wanting to completely sell out to make players as big and strong as possible, but it was very obvious players got bigger and bigger and slower and slower the longer they were in our S&C program.
I think it is very telling that the most explosive and athletic players we have are transfers in from other programs (Palmer, Washington, Grant, Mathis) or true freshmen (Hausmann, Allen, Hatzog). It’s also telling seeing how much more athletic Rodgers and Riley look at Oregon right now.
So you "want to know why and then address it." What good does that do? Are you gonna be able to fix it?
What Duval did wrong was he trained them slowly. A lot of half-squats are worthless.
Most of the linemen can't even bend over, they have no flexibility. That's why they get bigger, not necessarily stronger, but they do get slower. Looking at their high school tapes and their footspeed and quickness makes them look like plow horses now.
Seeing the gains Rodgers and Riley made at Oregon makes me optimistic we may see better out of some of our existing linemen with some changes to our S&C.
I also look back to the comments of guys like Wynn and Daniels saying we lift totally different here than at OSU and Bama. I mean Bama has the best most cutting and she S&C program around.
Honestly none of us know, but usually it's a combination of things. But if I had to point to one thing, it would be poor talent evaluation. They looked to much at size measurables and not enough at other traits.
And their fixation on the height of their O linemen was misguided. We needed to pay more attention to their feet and less to trying to get guys we could get to 330.
Unless that poster is a woman I don't think you can do anything about it.
This fan base isn't immune to idiots. Its the same people that thought Greg Austin was doing a sufficient job and that none of the offensive line problems for the past four years was his fault....it was someone else's fault. Four years from now, if Raiola was retained, the offensive line would still be crappy and the same crowd would advocate for him to just get some more time to turn it around. What a joke!
The Husker O-line was lousy for 4 years prior to Raiola. Yes it was pretty lousy under him in 2022, but I won’t pin that entirely on him when it was made up of the players from the last 4 years. Pretty hard to elevate lousy when lousy is not capable.
If he is retained, then obviously Rhule sees something in him.
If he is retained, then obviously Rhule sees something in him.
The raw talent along the offensive line right now is good enough to play in big 10 championship. The primary problem is and has been player development, which has been at the bottom of the big 10 for years. Neb. does need an infusion of quality depth along the Oline, but the first team of Teddy P., Turner C., etc. is plenty good
Well in my opinion the best 2 lineman we out for injury and suspension. I thought turner started showing some improvement. Bemhardt can't move and does not belong on the field. He is a stiff who gives up on plays.
B.S. As I’ve said for years now, NU leads the nation in signing overrated 4 star players. If there’s a high 3 star or 4 star somewhere and their home state school isn’t recruiting them anymore, Riley and Frost are all over them.
