Quote from our left tackle

[bleed husker red]

I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on film because at the end of the day, that's what you're going to be graded out on," he said. "That's what everybody tries to do."

I'm trying hard but be shocked by this statement. I think this is the root of our problems that began with Callasham, continued with Blo, and now Riley.

Practice to put it on film and correct it from an iPad. While I am certain others do a lot of film study, I think it is more apparent that our BIG brotheren practice differently.

I would like our kids to be coached by someone that says quit getting your ass whipped because were losing games. If we can't fix you, we put in your back up

 

[WHCSC]

at the end of the day

I don't see any issue with his quote except for this part

 

[coachDubs]

Is this a troll?

 

[mpbrown27]

Are you saying that using technology removes the player from the on-the-field action and therefore produces lackluster results?

Personally, I don't agree with that. Technology allows coaches to hold players more accountable than they ever have in the past because every snap is recorded and reviewed. Maybe that level of accountability has made the players numb because they make so many mistakes every game?

 

[headcard]

How could anyone possibly have a problem with that quote?

 

[Pennsyhusker]

How could anyone possibly have a problem with that quote?

I sure as hell hope our lineman are concerned with how they grade out.

 

[spinner4]

I don't know if this is where the OP was coming from but to me it does kind of read bad.

"I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on film" ?

Shouldn't it be "I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on the field" . It may be nick -picking but who cares what happens in the film room. Care about what happens on the field. Players should never be worried during a game about how they will look on film come Sunday or Monday. All that should matter to a player in game day is the current down. I honestly believe our players think too much.

I mean have any of you ever played sports? I never gave a rats ass about " oh, I hope my coach doesn't get on to me in practice about this"... My mindset was always, "ok, I am going to try to make this tackle, catch this ball. In baseball, move this runner over, get on base, etc."

Let grade outs take care of themselves.

 

[ridge22]

I would rather have a kid say I am doing everything I can to win the game. I realize that a kid wants to do his job, but a better way for them to look at it is how did the unit grade out, not just an individual. Who give a frogs fat ass if you graded out well in a 56-14 ass kicking.

 

[little a]

I don't see any issue with his quote except for this part

I'm with you-- it is my kryptonite.

 

[chicolby]

Grown men looking for reasons to blame for a losing record. The team sees each week when things go wrong it is due to mistakes that are caught on film. They want to make sure they are t the one responsible for messing the team up. Relax.

 

[hddude55]

The OP is right to be concerned. Did Vince Lombardi use an iPad? ( <— for those who are sarcasm immunosuppressed)

 

[headcard]

Kids these days and their technology. The pirate agrees

 

[Hoosker Du]

My greater concern is that they aren't spending enough time going live 1s vs 1s.

 

[Ohio_husker]

I think spinner is pretty close to what OP wanted to communicate. It is possible that some players are so focused on the technique and technology of doing it the 'right' way that they fail to execute the plan of winning the down. If you are so worried about leverage/angle/placement that you miss a block it really doesn't matter. Better to block the guy with your foot 6 inches out of place than to focus on your feet while the defender tackles the ball.

Correcting a technique should be a high focus in drills but not thought of during a game or even a scrimmage. I don't feel the player meant anything out of place when stating that(selfish or such), but it does potentially signal a misplaced emphasis on grading vs executing.

 

[headcard]

I think spinner is pretty close to what OP wanted to communicate. It is possible that some players are so focused on the technique and technology of doing it the 'right' way that they fail to execute the plan of winning the down. If you are so worried about leverage/angle/placement that you miss a block it really doesn't matter. Better to block the guy with your foot 6 inches out of place than to focus on your feet while the defender tackles the ball.

Correcting a technique should be a high focus in drills but not thought of during a game or even a scrimmage. I don't feel the player meant anything out of place when stating that(selfish or such), but it does potentially signal a misplaced emphasis on grading vs executing.

But don't you think execution is what they are grading?

 

[WHCSC]

I doubt the coaches care where your feet are placed if you did your job

 

[Ohio_husker]

But don't you think execution is what they are grading?

No problem with grading at all, if a player is worried about the grade during a play there is an issue. I think if grading is too granular in a game environment it can be counterproductive.
1. did you make the right presnap call/assignment?
2. Did you attempt to make the right play(block/gap fill/route, etc.)?
3. Did you succeed in that attempt?

Maybe this is all they are doing and if so I think it would be effective. More than this, in my non professional opinion, could be resulting in too much thinking and not enough playing.

 

[Archie Graham]

I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on film because at the end of the day, that's what you're going to be graded out on," he said. "That's what everybody tries to do."

I'm trying hard but be shocked by this statement. I think this is the root of our problems that began with Callasham, continued with Blo, and now Riley.

Practice to put it on film and correct it from an iPad. While I am certain others do a lot of film study, I think it is more apparent that our BIG brotheren practice differently.

I would like our kids to be coached by someone that says quit getting your ass whipped because were losing games. If we can't fix you, we put in your back up

He hasn't been putting together very good effort on film lately.

 

[SoFL Husker]

I doubt the coaches care where your feet are placed if you did your job

Exactly. Emphasize winning. Beating the man in front of you. Who cares how you "grade out," did I beat the opponent on that play?

Probably easier to emphasize the film study after getting curb stomped. It's not like the staff can focus on winning individual battles after tOSU.

 

[spinner4]

But don't you think execution is what they are grading?

You can have great execution and bad results. You can have not ideal execution and great results.

Example, WRs are now taught to basically only catch with their hands. A guy who catches the ball with his body could technically grade out worse than a guys who drops the ball with his hands. Randy Moss loves to talk about this. Moss himself said he'd probably be overlooked if he was coming up right now because he didn't mind catching the ball with his body. He made a ton of body catches. All that mattered to him was catching the ball.. Arguably the best WR in the last 20 years might not make it in today's game. And I mean I get it, catching the ball with your hands is more ideal. You can usually gain a few more yards that way and you can reach for it which allows less time for a D-back to make a play. However, I'll take a guy who catches the ball 99.9% of the time but uses his body vs a guy who drops a ball a lot more but only catches with his hands. The NFL Hall of Fame is full of retired WRs that used their bodies to make catches. And I am not talking 1950's and 60's guys either

It's honestly stupid the crap some coaches stress now of days.

 

[AFTray]

I have a feeling that Richie Incognito doesn't concern himself with how he is grading out on film during the game. Execution is important but production is more important.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I don't know if this is where the OP was coming from but to me it does kind of read bad.

"I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on film" ?

Shouldn't it be "I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on the field" . It may be nick -picking but who cares what happens in the film room. Care about what happens on the field. Players should never be worried during a game about how they will look on film come Sunday or Monday. All that should matter to a player in game day is the current down. I honestly believe our players think too much.

I mean have any of you ever played sports? I never gave a rats ass about " oh, I hope my coach doesn't get on to me in practice about this"... My mindset was always, "ok, I am going to try to make this tackle, catch this ball. In baseball, move this runner over, get on base, etc."

Let grade outs take care of themselves.

I think you are reading way to much into the comments. Every aspect of what they do is put on film. Drills, one on ones, scrimmage, games. When he says he is trying to put his best effort on film he is speaking generally about all aspects of his game.

In today's vernacular this is the same as saying exactly what you are saying. He is graded on every aspect of what he does on the field. I don't think he is worried about anyone getting on him at practice or any of the other stuff you are referencing. He is just saying that he wants to do what he has to do every rep and every play.

 

[spinner4]

I think you are reading way to much into the comments. Every aspect of what they do is put on film. Drills, one on ones, scrimmage, games. When he says he is trying to put his best effort on film he is speaking generally about all aspects of his game.

In today's vernacular this is the same as saying exactly what you are saying. He is graded on every aspect of what he does on the field. I don't think he is worried about anyone getting on him at practice or any of the other stuff you are referencing. He is just saying that he wants to do what he has to do every rep and every play.

And I said " I may be nick picking". But I stand by my comment that that our players think too much. It's obvious when you look at the silly mental breakdowns that occur.

 

[headcard]

You can have great execution and bad results. You can have not ideal execution and great results.

Example, WRs are now taught to basically only catch with their hands. A guy who catches the ball with his body could technically grade out worse than a guys who drops the ball with his hands. Randy Moss loves to talk about this. Moss himself said he'd probably be overlooked if he was coming up right now because he didn't mind catching the ball with his body. He made a ton of body catches. All that mattered to him was catching the ball.. Arguably the best WR in the last 20 years might not make it in today's game. And I mean I get it, catching the ball with your hands is more ideal. You can usually gain a few more yards that way and you can reach for it which allows less time for a D-back to make a play. However, I'll take a guy who catches the ball 99.9% of the time but uses his body vs a guy who drops a ball a lot more but only catches with his hands. The NFL Hall of Fame is full of retired WRs that used their bodies to make catches. And I am not talking 1950's and 60's guys either

It's honestly stupid the crap some coaches stress now of days.

I get your point, to some degree, but Randy Moss was 6'4 and ran a sub 4.3 forty, he's not getting overlooked by anyone in any generation.

 

[jlb321]

anyone with any degree of intelligence can read between the lines and see he is saying that Riley should be fired and we should hire Frost .. it is clear as day


<sarcasm>

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

And I said " I may be nick picking". But I stand by my comment that that our players think too much. It's obvious when you look at the silly mental breakdowns that occur.

But that may or may not have anything to do with his comments. The guy is simply saying that he is going to worry about doing what he needs to do to make the team successful and win games. We didn't lose to Wisconsin and Ohio St because they were thinking too much and silly mental breakdowns. We were just physically dominated.

At some point the players need to show some pride. Right now every fan is blaming coaches for everything. The players read this stuff and know that very few of them are getting the blame. If they continue to stink, the blame will be on the coaches.

As I said at some point it falls on the players to take some accountability. When Gates does that, says he needs to make sure he does what he is supposed to do, someone starts a thread criticizing it, which is followed up by people criticizing the coaching again.

 

[HuskerO]

My greater concern is that they aren't spending enough time going live 1s vs 1s.

How much time to they spend practicing 1s vs 1s?

 

[coachDubs]

I doubt the coaches care where your feet are placed if you did your job

Do you really believe this?

Go check out practice film on Saban or Meyer and they're all about the correct fundamentals. A coach should as the odds are against you getting the job done again with bad fundamentals. This isn't new in 2017, its been like that for decades.

 

[WHCSC]

Do you really believe this?

Go check out practice film on Saban or Meyer and they're all about the correct fundamentals. A coach should as the odds are against you getting the job done again with bad fundamentals. This isn't new in 2017, its been like that for decades.

I'm sure they do look at it and point it out, but if you are doing your job, keeping your guy(s) from getting involved in the play, I imagine they would say to keep doing what you're doing. I f you are failing to do your job, then use the film to correct.

 

[gw2kpro]

I have zero issue with the original quote.

Picking at that is like coming home from work with your house burned to the ground and being pissed off that you forgot to put the garbage out before you left.

 

[spinner4]

But that may or may not have anything to do with his comments. The guy is simply saying that he is going to worry about doing what he needs to do to make the team successful and win games. We didn't lose to Wisconsin and Ohio St because they were thinking too much and silly mental breakdowns. We were just physically dominated.

At some point the players need to show some pride. Right now every fan is blaming coaches for everything. The players read this stuff and know that very few of them are getting the blame. If they continue to stink, the blame will be on the coaches.

As I said at some point it falls on the players to take some accountability. When Gates does that, says he needs to make sure he does what he is supposed to do, someone starts a thread criticizing it, which is followed up by people criticizing the coaching again.

And I agree with you for the most part. I don't think "mental mistakes" is the only issue and I never said anything about tOSU and Wisconsin. But there were a lot of mental mistakes by this team in all the games. How's the saying going "self doubt is the biggest opponent in sports". And I don't put all the blame on the coaches but they can't be exempt from placing blame either.

Tuco I get that you don't like me. That's fine. I don't care. But do you honestly believe this team is playing to its potential, talent wise? I am not saying they should beat tOSU but they are more talented than what they showed the last 5 1/2 Q of football. Do you believe they believe in themselves?

Can you recall a full effort & completely well played game by the huskers under Riley? Maybe there is one, Its just not coming to me

 

[coachDubs]

I'm sure they do look at it and point it out, but if you are doing your job, keeping your guy(s) from getting involved in the play, I imagine they would say to keep doing what you're doing. I f you are failing to do your job, then use the film to correct.

This isn't NCAA 2007. There isn't a coach out there that does what you say.

 

[ridge22]

In the famous words of Bill Callahan "Oh, I think it's probably too technical for you."

 

[WHCSC]

This isn't NCAA 2007. There isn't a coach out there that does what you say.

Explain to me what the point would be in trying to fix something that isn't broken. I can only see happening what is being complained about in this thread - that it would make a successful player think too much and become less successful.

 

[gw2kpro]

Can you recall a full effort & completely well played game by the huskers under Riley? Maybe there is one, Its just not coming to me

One.

UCLA 2015.

Funny part about that --

The team was comprised almost completely of "toxic" Pelini players.

 

[coachDubs]

Explain to me what the point would be in trying to fix something that isn't broken. I can only see happening what is being complained about in this thread - that it would make a successful player think too much and become less successful.

It's broken if technique/fundamentals aren't right, at every position. That's step one. You may get the better of your guy once or twice, but the long haul it isn't going to work.

QB, footwork as an example.
WR, catching w/ hands not body as an example.
OL, hand placement as an example.
DL, leverage as an example.

Do we need to go further?

I can't imagine this is something anyone would debate.

 

[swissticuffs]

Meh, kid is going to end his career here with no real accomplishments.......and this season is basically toast.

He's thinking about doing his best at his job so he can have a shot at the next level.

If you asked me two years ago if he would get drafted I would say 100% yes.....today I don't think he has much of a shot.

 

[WHCSC]

It's broken if technique/fundamentals aren't right, at every position. That's step one. You may get the better of your guy once or twice, but the long haul it isn't going to work.

QB, footwork as an example.
WR, catching w/ hands not body as an example.
OL, hand placement as an example.
DL, leverage as an example.

Do we need to go further?

I can't imagine this is something anyone would debate.

The OP was about OL specifically. If your technique/fundamentals are not ideal but you beat your guy every time, who cares what you grade?

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Man this is really reaching for something to complain about. Coaches have to correct steps,technique,assignment, etc like crazy in practice because the 1s are going against a scout team most of the time and they can still win those battles without doing things the right way. But if you don't try to coach that crap out of them during the week, it shows up on Saturdays against better players and individual battles are lost.

 

[coachDubs]

The OP was about OL specifically. If your technique/fundamentals are not ideal but you beat your guy every time, who cares what you grade?

It's across the board, and I included OL in the reply. High school is where you rely on talent without technique, not college.

There isn't a player in America that beats his guy every time with not ideal technique/fundamentals. And if there is, he's a needle in a haystack.

I don't care what they grade, I'm telling you that technique and fundamentals are a top priority for every single coach. The goal posts aren't moving on this one.