Quote from our left tackle

[coachDubs]

Nick Saban, September 2017...

“Same thing in pass protection. We get a hat on a hat, we’ve got to finish, get the right hand placement, get in the right position so that we have a chance to throw the ball down the field more.”

https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/alabama-football-offensive-line-saban-cubelic

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

And I agree with you for the most part. I don't think "mental mistakes" is the only issue and I never said anything about tOSU and Wisconsin. But there were a lot of mental mistakes by this team in all the games. How's the saying going "self doubt is the biggest opponent in sports". And I don't put all the blame on the coaches but they can't be exempt from placing blame either.

Tuco I get that you don't like me. That's fine. I don't care. But do you honestly believe this team is playing to its potential, talent wise? I am not saying they should beat tOSU but they are more talented than what they showed the last 5 1/2 Q of football. Do you believe they believe in themselves?

Can you recall a full effort & completely well played game by the huskers under Riley? Maybe there is one, Its just not coming to me

I don't even know you. How could I not like you? You are nothing more than a message board persona to me.

I don't think the coaches are exempt from criticism. Self doubt is a huge opponent, but too many times there is zero blame placed on the player.

Whether or not a Riley coached Nebraska team has played to it's full potential is not at all part of the discussion.

This whole thing stems from someone who took exception to Nick Gates saying he is going to put his best effort out on film because that is what they are graded out on. That is true of every college football player and most high school football players in the United States. Every coach in America is grading their players based on what they put on film. If you think Saban or Meyer or any of the other top coaches in America are allowing their players to get by with just making a play regardless of their technique you are insane.

I look at this as a way to pile on the Riley death bed. Nick Gates' comment has nothing to do with how the team practices, ALL coaches are all coaching from ipads. And if the OP really believes that a coach saying quit getting your ass whipped or we'll put in your backup is really going to be the difference in winning and losing, then Lord help us all.

I can promise you most of those players are busting their ass everyday and doing everything in their power to get better and not get their ass whipped, I would also promise that every coach is doing their best to coach their players to play with proper technique and effort.

Sometimes the coach just isn't a good fit. It happens, but I will promise you there are teams that practice similarly to how Riley practices that win plenty of games. It simply isn't working for Riley at Nebraska.

 

[WHCSC]

It's across the board, and I included OL in the reply. High school is where you rely on talent without technique, not college.

There isn't a player in America that beats his guy every time with not ideal technique/fundamentals. And if there is, he's a needle in a haystack.

I don't care what they grade, I'm telling you that technique and fundamentals are a top priority for every single coach. The goal posts aren't moving on this one.

I'm sure you are right. I was just throwing out a hypothetical

 

[Red I 73]

My greater concern is that they aren't spending enough time going live 1s vs 1s.

Stock reply. Gets old.

 

[jflores]

I think you are reading way to much into the comments. Every aspect of what they do is put on film. Drills, one on ones, scrimmage, games. When he says he is trying to put his best effort on film he is speaking generally about all aspects of his game.

In today's vernacular this is the same as saying exactly what you are saying. He is graded on every aspect of what he does on the field. I don't think he is worried about anyone getting on him at practice or any of the other stuff you are referencing. He is just saying that he wants to do what he has to do every rep and every play.

This is essentially modern day speak for "Milt spends his Sundays watching tape and counting pancakes and putting gold stars on the OL roster."

 

[mpbrown27]

For those saying, "who cares about technique as long as you beat your man" - you do realize that the emphasis on proper fundamentals is aimed at achieving on-field results, right? Further, I would venture to guess that the plays where they don't grade out well resulted in them getting beat on the field. I know this isn't the case 100% of the time, but playing with sound technique is what will achieve the best results the majority of the time. Therefore, it's very important that the film is reviewed and graded so as to set-up an evaluation system where the player gets a better idea of how they are performing and what they need to work on.

Some of you are over-thinking this wayyyyyyyy too much. It's really not that complicated. Coaches have been teaching fundamentals since the game began. Now we have technology that aids in that pursuit.

 

[WHCSC]

For those saying, "who cares about technique as long as you beat your man" - you do realize that the emphasis on proper fundamentals is aimed at achieving on-field results, right? Further, I would venture to guess that the plays where they don't grade out well resulted in them getting beat on the field. I know this isn't the case 100% of the time, but playing with sound technique is what will achieve the best results the majority of the time. Therefore, it's very important that the film is reviewed and graded so as to set-up an evaluation system where the player gets a better idea of how they are performing and what they need to work on.

Some of you are over-thinking this wayyyyyyyy too much. It's really not that complicated. Coaches have been teaching fundamentals since the game began. Now we have technology that aids in that pursuit.

I completely agree with all of this. I was suggesting an unrealistic hypothetical situation where the player achieved perfect results with imperfect technique.

 

[jflores]

For those saying, "who cares about technique as long as you beat your man" - you do realize that the emphasis on proper fundamentals is aimed at achieving on-field results, right? Further, I would venture to guess that the plays where they don't grade out well resulted in them getting beat on the field. I know this isn't the case 100% of the time, but playing with sound technique is what will achieve the best results the majority of the time. Therefore, it's very important that the film is reviewed and graded so as to set-up an evaluation system where the player gets a better idea of how they are performing and what they need to work on.

Some of you are over-thinking this wayyyyyyyy too much. It's really not that complicated. Coaches have been teaching fundamentals since the game began. Now we have technology that aids in that pursuit.

But I hit the target drill sergeant! ....

 

[BigRedLegion]

I don't know if this is where the OP was coming from but to me it does kind of read bad.

"I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on film" ?

Shouldn't it be "I'm just going to keep trying to put my best effort on the field" . It may be nick -picking but who cares what happens in the film room. Care about what happens on the field. Players should never be worried during a game about how they will look on film come Sunday or Monday. All that should matter to a player in game day is the current down. I honestly believe our players think too much.

I mean have any of you ever played sports? I never gave a rats ass about " oh, I hope my coach doesn't get on to me in practice about this"... My mindset was always, "ok, I am going to try to make this tackle, catch this ball. In baseball, move this runner over, get on base, etc."

Let grade outs take care of themselves.

Bingo

 

[jflores]

I like spinner even though I don't know him in real life.

I think its just anal semantics about field vs tape.

What do you think the coaches are recording, the girls locker room?

 

[red rover 70]

Maybe this is why we are being told that practice is going so well all the time?

 

[Husker Hunyock]

My opinion is that the OL should think like they are graded on every play in practice and in the game. not just when they think that the replay cameras are on them.

 

[coachDubs]

My opinion is that the OL should think like they are graded on every play in practice and in the game. not just when they think that the replay cameras are on them.

Hint: there's video on them every single play in practices and games.

This thread is pure gold.

 

[WHCSC]

Hint: there's video on them every single play in practices and games.

This thread is pure gold.

All the players need GoPros on them 24/7

 

[bleed husker red]

We are talking about muscle memory and technique. If we put on film and watch it over and over, but we do not practice it over and over, we are not going to develop that technique or muscle memory.

I would prefer to hear we rep it over and over and over and over. We use film to see our gaps. I think we worry about how many plays we get in film then study it.

My opinion is this is why we are a fundamentally poor football team top to bottom.

 

[CheeseRunza]

It's across the board, and I included OL in the reply. High school is where you rely on talent without technique, not college.

There isn't a player in America that beats his guy every time with not ideal technique/fundamentals. And if there is, he's a needle in a haystack.

I don't care what they grade, I'm telling you that technique and fundamentals are a top priority for every single coach. The goal posts aren't moving on this one.

Are you saying that every single coach will only play the players who are more technically and fundamentally sound, possibly at the expense of sitting those who may be superior athletically?

 

[coachDubs]

Are you saying that every single coach will only play the players who are more technically and fundamentally sound, possibly at the expense of sitting those who may be superior athletically?

No, that isn't what I said or what I'm saying.

But, you did make me hungry.

 

[spinner4]

I don't even know you. How could I not like you? You are nothing more than a message board persona to me.

I don't think the coaches are exempt from criticism. Self doubt is a huge opponent, but too many times there is zero blame placed on the player.

Whether or not a Riley coached Nebraska team has played to it's full potential is not at all part of the discussion.

This whole thing stems from someone who took exception to Nick Gates saying he is going to put his best effort out on film because that is what they are graded out on. That is true of every college football player and most high school football players in the United States. Every coach in America is grading their players based on what they put on film. If you think Saban or Meyer or any of the other top coaches in America are allowing their players to get by with just making a play regardless of their technique you are insane.

I look at this as a way to pile on the Riley death bed. Nick Gates' comment has nothing to do with how the team practices, ALL coaches are all coaching from ipads. And if the OP really believes that a coach saying quit getting your ass whipped or we'll put in your backup is really going to be the difference in winning and losing, then Lord help us all.

I can promise you most of those players are busting their ass everyday and doing everything in their power to get better and not get their ass whipped, I would also promise that every coach is doing their best to coach their players to play with proper technique and effort.

Sometimes the coach just isn't a good fit. It happens, but I will promise you there are teams that practice similarly to how Riley practices that win plenty of games. It simply isn't working for Riley at Nebraska.

Again, I agree. Does some of the blame need to be put on the players? Hell yes it does. Do I think Riley deserves all of the blame, no. However, I wish to god I'd see Riley chewing some ass on the side line from time to time but we don't really see that. Some players need that.

And again, all I am saying, their is a difference mentally in saying "trying to look good on film" vs "trying to do well on the field". To some, its the same thing but not to me.

It's like when I was studying in college. I tried to learn the subject while others tried to do well on tests. I never cared about grades. If I learned the subject, the grades would take care of themselves and the grades did take care of themselves. I never worried about how a teacher would grade me because I was confident in my ability. In a lot of ways, teaching football and learning football is no different then teaching & learning math, science, or whatever.

So when your mindset on the football field is "my goal is to try to get a good grade" then your not going to do as well as someone who is trying to produce good work. Maybe you don't get that. I understand a lot people believe they are one in the same. But I've been lucky in life to see the difference. And of course coaches are going to "grade" based on film. How-else do you expect them to grade? But that's the coaches job, to develop and to grade. The players job is to learn and to preform well

To me, the statement below kind of sums it up...

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."

 

[jflores]

Again, I agree. Does some of the blame need to be put on the players? Hell yes it does. Do I think Riley deserves all of the blame, no. However, I wish to god I'd see Riley chewing some ass on the side line from time to time but we don't really see that. Some players need that.

And again, all I am saying, their is a difference mentally in saying "trying to look good on film" vs "trying to do well on the field". To some, its the same thing but not to me.

It's like when I was studying in college. I tried to learn the subject while others tried to do well on tests. I never cared about grades. If I learned the subject, the grades would take care of themselves and the grades did take care of themselves. I never worried about how a teacher would grade me because I was confident in my ability. In a lot of ways, teaching football and learning football is no different then teaching & learning math, science, or whatever.

So when your mindset on the football field is "my goal is to try to get a good grade" then your not going to do as well as someone who is trying to produce good work. Maybe you don't get that. I understand a lot people believe they are one in the same. But I've been lucky in life to see the difference. And of course coaches are going to "grade" based on film. How-else do you expect them to grade? But that's the coaches job, to develop and to grade. The players job is to learn and to preform well

To me, the statement below kind of sums it up...

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."

Its hard to take seriously anyone who clings to this too hard.

This is a statement about a process or a journey, and the relative irrelevance of the victory.

From a fan base who thought 9/10 was not enough. Clearly we don't appreciate the process and/or intangibles as much as this statement celebrates.

Edit: Which is fine, but it makes a poor implement to hide behind.

 

[CheeseRunza]

No, that isn't what I said or what I'm saying.

But, you did make me hungry.

Fair enough. I mistook your post as saying that in college, technique trumps talent.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Stock reply. Gets old.

You're right, I bet our OLine sucks because they spend entirely too much time going live against each other during practice.

 

[spinner4]

Its hard to take seriously anyone who clings to this too hard.

Ok, then don't.

This is a statement about a process or a journey, and the relative irrelevance of the victory.

Which I was using to aim at the players trying to do well on the field (the journey) and not worry about how they grade out (victory). Not aiming it at the fans.

From a fan base who thought 9/10 was not enough. Clearly we don't appreciate the process and/or intangibles as much as this statement celebrates.

Fans are fickle and idiots at times. I am not excluded. And my post wasn't about fans. It was about players. The subject is about the players and their goals. Not the fans' goals.

Edit: Which is fine, but it makes a poor implement to hide behind.

What am I hiding behind? The quote? It's a nice quote and I think it kind of makes sense here for the players "to stick with the journey and ignore the outcome".

I also used college and learning the subject vs trying to do well on a test as an example. Was I hiding behind that too?

 

[coachDubs]

Fair enough. I mistook your post as saying that in college, technique trumps talent.

Nope, just saying technique is extremely important at the college (and pro) level as you're dealing with hundreds of players that are talented. Since you opened the door...

Was Spencer Long as talented as, let's say, Jake or Sam Cotton? When they came in, I'd say no but IMO Spencer was the better athlete and he perfected technique to close the talent gap.

Along the trenches, did Bo and Carl motivate Ndamukong to have more talent or did they get him to buy in to technique to separate himself? He was always super talented, and athletic AF without a full-time motor when they took over, but until he became technically sound - he was just another DL.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Holy crap this is a stupid thread. I want Riley fired too, but some of you are really grasping after anything to tar him with.

 

[HuskerO]

The OP was about OL specifically. If your technique/fundamentals are not ideal but you beat your guy every time, who cares what you grade?

How often does this happen? Nebraska's OL in the 90s wasn't great because they just beat their guy with little/poor technique/fundamentals. They beat down their opponents because the technique and fundamentals were superb.

 

[CheeseRunza]

Nope, just saying technique is extremely important at the college (and pro) level as you're dealing with hundreds of players that are talented. Since you opened the door...

Was Spencer Long as talented as, let's say, Jake or Sam Cotton? When they came in, I'd say no but IMO Spencer was the better athlete and he perfected technique to close the talent gap.

Along the trenches, did Bo and Carl motivate Ndamukong to have more talent or did they get him to buy in to technique to separate himself? He was always super talented, and athletic AF without a full-time motor when they took over, but until he became technically sound - he was just another DL.

I think that is exactly right. It has to be a combination of talent and technique. A player that is supremely talented may not do you much good if he can’t be trusted to be in position to make plays. Similarly, a player with flawless technique doesn’t do much good either, if he can’t physically beat the man he is up against. I guess I’m thinking of cornerbacks, but it would be the same at most positions. I imagine that there a number of 5th year senior qbs around the country that know the offense like the back of their hands, have good footwork, good decision making, etc, but don’t have the arm talent to make all the throws, or the height to see the targets, the speed and agility to extend a play, or the leadership or “it” factor, that are sitting on the bench behind a talented young playmaker. Certainly doesn’t mean a coach wouldn’t grade and teach the playmaker to be fundamentally sound to reach his full potential, just means that ability and production is part of the equation.

 

[bleed husker red]

We were superior to others in the 90s because we did countless reps on the field year over year on the field, not on an iPad.

Yes we watched film, but we worked our asses off in practice.

 

[Toms Wife]

We were superior to others in the 90s because we did countless reps on the field year over year on the field, not on an iPad.

Yes we watched film, but we worked our asses off in practice.

I'm not sure reps on the field and getting help from an ipad are mutually exclusive (unless studying an ipad takes away practice time...however, I don't think it does.) Why not do both?

 

[coachDubs]

We were superior to others in the 90s because we did countless reps on the field year over year on the field, not on an iPad.

Yes we watched film, but we worked our asses off in practice.

 

[Bugeater]

As Papa John would say, better coaching +better talent + better technique = better performance.

 

[bleed husker red]

Yup you are all right, and I'm a dumb ass. We practice like an NFL squad and have done about 2005. Every year we get worse at the basics of football and the results show up on the field as an ass whooping.

Don't sweat it we got it on film.

 

[NikkiSixx]

What I got out of that was all individual focus, no team focus at all. It's the same type of thing as focusing on recruiting so much that one is willing to keep an inept staff. It's a good parallel for lots of what is wrong in Lincoln.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Jesus this entire thread is a botched abortion. Truly amazed at how many posters disagree with a player saying he wants to show well on film.

Not saying that his actions back up his words, but seriously people?!

 

[red rover 70]

Jesus this entire thread is a botched abortion. Truly amazed at how many posters disagree with a player saying he wants to show well on film.

Not saying that his actions back up his words, but seriously people?!

I don't remember Tommie Frazier, Mike Rozier, Dave Rimington, Shane Swanson, Jason Peter, I.M. Hipp, Joel Wilks or any other Husker EVER making such a comment.

Just say'n...

 

[bleed husker red]

that's the point, it isn't showing well on the field. At least he acknowledged the film was shit.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

I don't remember Tommie Frazier, Mike Rozier, Dave Rimington, Shane Swanson, Jason Peter, I.M. Hipp, Joel Wilks or any other Husker EVER making such a comment.

Just say'n...

Honestly, I'd like to hear/read your chronological synopsis of your own thoughts about the team/staff starting at the beginning of last year until now. And I'm seriously not ripping you, because I believe your ideas will ebb and flow just like the program has. Just very interested...

 

[coachDubs]

Honestly, I'd like to hear/read your chronological synopsis of your own thoughts about the team/staff starting at the beginning of last year until now.

No you don't, he's bat shit crazy and that's being nice.

 

[TruHusker]

I really can't believe I spent the last 10 minutes reading this thread. I have been entertained by this place the last few months but it is reaching a new high. sigh

 

[Cloud@Heart]

A=Excellent in all areas throughout the play
B=Acceptable but lacked something (whatever THAT is)
C=Didn't hurt the outcome of the play, but could have
D=Not quite good enough, and caused play to be ineffective
F=Epic fail!

If a player has 70 plays in a game, what kind of "Grade" is acceptable? A11, B30, C20, D7, F2? Is that better or worse than A4, B28, C32, D6, F0? Grading is hard......... Figuring out who is going to be your best option throughout the course of a game is not easy. And who gets to play during the game is decided by the coaches, in part by, who grades out the best both in practice and in the previous games.

What was the deciding factor this week between Farmer and Farniok? Gut feeling, how they graded out, or how many years they have been in college? The film room and how you grade out is probably the trump card at this point of the season in my opinion.