Players kneeling?

[whiteshoes97]

Yes, I would like all those outraged by this to provide a mechanism of protest or demonstration that would be acceptible in their minds and which would also be effective. I would imagine, rather than providing actual ideas here, they will change the subject and opine about how the players are wrong and institutional racism isn't a legitimate problem because Chicago.

what are they protesting again?

 

[frankluv]

How many countries are giving these free rides to play a sport?

 

[mothmonsterman]

Jackie Robinson said that he couldn't stand and salute the flag or sing the national anthem either. I guess all good and patriotic Americans had better give up MLB since the league chooses to honor a "spoiled ingrate" who chose to "spit in the faces of the brave soldiers who fought for his freedom." I had always found the virtue signaling/outrage Olympics of the SJWs to be fascinating, when they would throw a fit because the dining hall served Chinese food or non Indians were doing yoga. This outrage because people won't participate in the civic religious sacraments seems to be the mirror image, undertaken by the same people who rightly roll their eyes when a college freshman freaks out about the lack of non gendered pronouns.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

I read that a few Nebraska players kneeled for the anthem? Which ones were they and was there post game interview asking about it?

Interesting that they did this near Chicago. In case you haven't heard, Chicago hit another historical milestone in its wonderful history.
There have been 474 people murdered in Chicago so far in 2016, 50 percent more than at the same point last year and slightly more than the 468 people killed in all of 2015, according to Chicago Police Department data. I'm going out on a limb here...but I'm guessing more than 13% of these murders involved black people. Absolutely tragic!!!

So if it makes these players "feel better" that they are making a difference, let them have at it. I still believe they are focusing on the wrong problem, but it's not my heritage that is being systematically eliminated.

 

[Bremser]

How many countries are giving these free rides to play a sport?

Uh...pretty much all of them...except they don't have to play a sport...

 

[newAD]

I still believe they are focusing on the wrong problem,.

Statistics say you are correct. Not even remotely debatable. But it is easier to blame "authority" than it is to focus on what the predominant root factors are.

 

[sports control my life]

what are they protesting again?

Systematic racism that has manifested itself through discriminatory police practices including excessive force used disproportionately against people of color?

 

[sports control my life]

Statistics say you are correct. Not even remotely debatable. But it is easier to blame "authority" than it is to focus on what the predominant root factors are.

I'm curious as to what you would characterize as the "root factors." Are black people inherently more violent and incapable of leading productive lives or, perhaps, are many of the current problems in black communities the natural and logical result of decades--centuries, actually--of both overt racism and covert social policies like housing discrimination, the funding of public schools through local property taxes, etc...? I feel like it's the latter.

 

[sports control my life]

Why would I lock it? Im participating in the thread. As long as people can control their emotions and not resort to childish name calling we are good to go.

I apologize. I saw that someone mentioned the thread likely being locked and then another thread was, in fact, locked very quickly, so I thought that was the board policy.

 

[NikkiSixx]

When I first saw this thread, with only the original message, I was like, this is total trolling.. the message sat there for awhile, and I thought, "how smart are we all to not take the bait!"

I come back a few hours later, and jeez..

 

[frankluv]

Uh...pretty much all of them...except they don't have to play a sport...

I am an old, old man.Can you please expand on their free educations?

 

[mothmonsterman]

I am an old, old man.Can you please expand on their free educations?

Other countries don't charge anyone for college. Their university systems aren't as good and oftentimes the student has very little control of their education, but tuition is free. I don't endorse this model, and think it would be a nightmare in the US where curriculum would become a campaign issue and all but the most elite private universities would go belly up, but in most developed nations that's how it works.

 

[bomber89]

I'm a Vet served 8 years. if they want to do this fine, I don't like it but whatever. They have the right to do it I have the right to call them out for their ignorance of what the Anthem and flag mean. I would prefer they raise a fist while standing for anthem. that way they show respect for Anthem and flag but get their point across. my issue is the meaning behind it and the BLM. It is all built on the lie of hands up don't shoot which was proven false. I'm going to ignore it in hopes they get no attention from me from now on and then it will all go away if people ignore their ignorance I'm hoping it disappears. ps like I said my comment of "their ignorance" is not on their thinking blacks are mistreated but on the meaning of the flag, the Anthem and the BLM in general.

 

[meanmachine]

As Coach Riley said that is the beautiful thing about our country we can express our feelings. Interesting that when Tim Tebow did it in is own way by kneeling after a play for a minute or two he was criticized for expressing in is own way and being told his expression of his feelings didn't belong.

 

[CameronKrazie86]

I respect and support those who have served as well as police/firefighters/first responders. I also don't like seeing people get shot in the street or excessive use of force and it bothers me when I see this happen.

If the flag is strictly for the military, why is the national anthem being played at sporting events anyway? Should we play it before movies too?

Why is it ok to kneel at church on Sundays in respect to God but suddenly disrespectful to kneel for a flag?

I support these players 100%. That Terence Crutcher video was disgusting and was just the latest. If this peaceful protest can help make positive change then I am all for it.

I only wish I were a professional athlete so I could be one white guy kneeling along others and lending support for change.

 

[mothmonsterman]

We could solve this by just not playing the National Anthem at sporting events. It doesn't belong there anymore than it belongs at restaurants, strip clubs, movies or mime performances. We didn't have a National Anthem until the 20s (after all three wars that had anything to do with American freedom had been fought and only a few veterans of the most recent one were still alive.) It wasn't customary to play it at sporting events until FDR decided to take a break from throwing Japanese people into camps and decree that it should be played. Play it before games involving the Service Academies and let sporting events be about sports.

 

[jlb321]

I know for a fact that the lack of diversity in regards to both race and ideologic views of the state is not uncommonly brought up to many recruits by opposing programs. This thread is doing nothing to dispel this perception. I don't think this is the forum to have these type of debates. It is divisive.

GBR

 

[mothmonsterman]

I know for a fact that the lack of diversity in regards to both race and ideologic views of the state is not uncommonly brought up to many recruits by opposing programs. This thread is doing nothing to dispel this perception.

Winner! Even though I used to love political threads, I've come to realize that it's important for marketing purposes to lock and delete them for precisely this reason.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

I'm curious as to what you would characterize as the "root factors." Are black people inherently more violent and incapable of leading productive lives or, perhaps, are many of the current problems in black communities the natural and logical result of decades--centuries, actually--of both overt racism and covert social policies like housing discrimination, the funding of public schools through local property taxes, etc...? I feel like it's the latter.

Cool thing about freedom, people can believe as they desire and choose their own path. The downside? When a person chooses the wrong path, they typically demonize the people who chose the right path and tell them they are the problem.

Compare Jewish and Black people. Both groups have faced persecution over centuries. Both have chose a different solution. Jewish people have chosen a strong family unit and education as the way to persevere. Black people have entrusted the government. The result – Jewish people are amongst the wealthiest and most successful in America, despite being 10% of the population - and being burned in ovens and facing systematic elimination of their existence within our current lifetime. The black result – not quite the same. They have chose the party of FDR – who would not meet with Jesse Owens after the Olympics, and of Lyndon Johnson – who proclaimed that black people would vote for the democrat party for 200 years after passing Medicaid, and of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who verbally detested black people and saw abortion as a way to limit their population. As of today, 40% of abortions performed are on black people even though they comprise 13% of the population.

I have no problem with the path you choose - just deal with the consequences and don't blame me for the wrong decision.

 

[huskerfan830]

Your "last word before lock up" blows. Just freed up 3 scholarships as far as I am concerned. They can clean out their lockers and use all that free time for doing something constructive with their lives. Choosing the ultimate spit in the face of the nation defending them just because they can is as useless as your "enlightened" comments.

This is the dumbest of comments, because of raw emotion. Okay, kick those 3 off the team and you think you saw a protest until the entire team refuses to play. It's like this, I can fight with my brother 5 seconds ago, but if he got into it with a stranger, I got his back 1000%. Same with the squad, don't test the bond. I would reckon it would be the equivalent of the death penalty for NU. Let those me peacefully protest and learn how to forgive rather than stew in anger.

 

[newAD]

I'm curious as to what you would characterize as the "root factors." Are black people inherently more violent and incapable of leading productive lives or, perhaps, are many of the current problems in black communities the natural and logical result of decades--centuries, actually--of both overt racism and covert social policies like housing discrimination, the funding of public schools through local property taxes, etc...? I feel like it's the latter.

Uh, no. It's way more simple than that. In fact it's real simple. People who are concerned about decisions and officer will make and actions an officer will take during a stressful situation, just remember. DON'T MAKE THE SITUATION STRESSFUL. Comply.

I'm not saying every use of force is justified, but force isn't necessary against a compliant person.

 

[newAD]

Systematic racism that has manifested itself through discriminatory police practices including excessive force used disproportionately against people of color?

It's kind of funny how views of those who have never ever in their life had to take a potentially or totally combative person into custody can change once they are put into the situation of having to do so.

 

[sports control my life]

Uh, no. It's way more simple than that. In fact it's real simple. People who are concerned about decisions and officer will make and actions an officer will take during a stressful situation, just remember. DON'T MAKE THE SITUATION STRESSFUL. Comply.

I'm not saying every use of force is justified, but force isn't necessary against a compliant person.

Your post here is indicative of the problem this movement has been trying to get out in the forefront. The problem in the eyes of black people is that their mere existence and being is "stressful" to a lot of cops and creates needlessly dangerous and confrontational encounters. I have been pulled over several times and not once was the encounter anything other than incredibly cordial from beginning to end. That is privilege. I am never met with skepticism even though statistics say I'm just as likely as a black person to have drugs on me. Black people simply have different experiences and to deny that fact is disingenuous.

Additionally, can you imagine how angry you would get if you were consistently being nickel and dimed by police over stupid traffic offenses or being subjected to the indignity of baseless, embarrassing encounters like what occurs in stop and frisk encounters? My guess is, like me, you've never really experienced these things and, thus, cannot appreciate what they do to individuals and, in turn, communities at large. It's not really that hard, though, when you simply try to place yourself in their shoes for a bit.

 

[sports control my life]

Cool thing about freedom, people can believe as they desire and choose their own path. The downside? When a person chooses the wrong path, they typically demonize the people who chose the right path and tell them they are the problem.

Compare Jewish and Black people. Both groups have faced persecution over centuries. Both have chose a different solution. Jewish people have chosen a strong family unit and education as the way to persevere. Black people have entrusted the government. The result – Jewish people are amongst the wealthiest and most successful in America, despite being 10% of the population - and being burned in ovens and facing systematic elimination of their existence within our current lifetime. The black result – not quite the same. They have chose the party of FDR – who would not meet with Jesse Owens after the Olympics, and of Lyndon Johnson – who proclaimed that black people would vote for the democrat party for 200 years after passing Medicaid, and of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who verbally detested black people and saw abortion as a way to limit their population. As of today, 40% of abortions performed are on black people even though they comprise 13% of the population.

I have no problem with the path you choose - just deal with the consequences and don't blame me for the wrong decision.

When have Jewish people faced persecution in America?

 

[newAD]

https://news.wsu.edu/2014/09/02/deadly-force-lab-finds-racial-disparities-in-shootings/

For those of you who think white police officers are just itching to go shoot an African- American, read this story.

The tested subjects were not police officers, but I'd love to see a large comprehensive study done with sworn police officers in computerized (F.A.T.S.) training. I'd like to see identical scenarios where half encounter a white suspect, and half encounter a black suspect.

I can't prove it, but I'd bet my house that the data would show officers hesitate longer to shoot an African American suspect, just as this study showed.

 

[tarheelhusker]

Back to re-education camp!

 

[newAD]

Your post here is indicative of the problem this movement has been trying to get out in the forefront. The problem in the eyes of black people is that their mere existence and being is "stressful" to a lot of cops and creates needlessly dangerous and confrontational encounters. I have been pulled over several times and not once was the encounter anything other than incredibly cordial from beginning to end. That is privilege. I am never met with skepticism even though statistics say I'm just as likely as a black person to have drugs on me. Black people simply have different experiences and to deny that fact is disingenuous.

Additionally, can you imagine how angry you would get if you were consistently being nickel and dimed by police over stupid traffic offenses or being subjected to the indignity of baseless, embarrassing encounters like what occurs in stop and frisk encounters? My guess is, like me, you've never really experienced these things and, thus, cannot appreciate what they do to individuals and, in turn, communities at large. It's not really that hard, though, when you simply try to place yourself in their shoes for a bit.

So that anger justifies non-compliance? That anger is dangerous and escalates sitiuations. Compliance eliminates stress.

Regarding your other point, It is not the fault of the police officers on the street that their superiors assign a higher number of them to the African American areas of town. When we live in a perfect utopia, then police resources will be distributed evenly over geography.

 

[sports control my life]

https://news.wsu.edu/2014/09/02/deadly-force-lab-finds-racial-disparities-in-shootings/

For those of you who think white police officers are just itching to go shoot an African- American, read this story.

The tested subjects were not police officers, but I'd love to see a large comprehensive study done with sworn police officers in computerized (F.A.T.S.) training. I'd like to see identical scenarios where half encounter a white suspect, and half encounter a black suspect.

I can't prove it, but I'd bet my house that the data would show officers hesitate longer to shoot an African American suspect, just as this study showed.

See, your language is defensive and over the top and makes it difficult to have rational, logical conversations. Nobody is saying that white police officers are "itching to go shoot an African-American." What we are saying is that officers are human and take normal human biases, including the irrational fear of black people, into their job. Studies show this is actually a problem for BLACK officers just as it is for white officers. It leads to fundamentally different encounters with law enforcement between black and white citizens. It's obvious and we all know this to be true. If you have any black friends, just ask them if they have conversations with their children about how to interact with a cop--I guarantee you they do. I never had to have that conversation with my parents because the idea of a cop misinterpreting me as a danger is nonexistent.

Also, keep in mind, the issues involving police is just a manifestation of a larger racial problem in our society and the fact that notions of white supremecy was baked into the fabric of our country and continues to be a problem.