These were 40 feet tall on the north side of my drive. I had tree spaded in some spruce 15 feet north of these and needed to take the gnarly dirty cedar’s down. The cedars had been planted 30 years ago between some 60 year old Ponderosas before I owned the property. I have 200 acres of hilly pasture so believe me, I know how to deal with cedars.Cut them with a spade when they are little and you don't need a chainsaw.